What an awesome offseason for the Redlegs
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Not that I'm enthused with what they have (more accurately, haven't) done this offseason, but my question is this- what would you have done?
Who would you have signed? For how much? Who would you have traded? For whom?
My angst is more with all the moves the Cards have made that have shored up their lineup, but there's not one move I can think of that I think "the Reds DEFINITELY should have done that." I wanted them to pull off the BP for Gardner swap, but the Yanks wanted to no part of it and BP would waive his no trade clause without a contract extension. Sucks, but it can't be helped.
Walt's a patient dude. He knows his core is under team control for a few more years. Why make the desperation moves this year? Give Price a year to settle in, see how Billy acclimates to a full season in the bigs, try to lock Bailey and Latos down, and address your needs again after this season. Way too early to press the panic button, IMO.
Who would you have signed? For how much? Who would you have traded? For whom?
My angst is more with all the moves the Cards have made that have shored up their lineup, but there's not one move I can think of that I think "the Reds DEFINITELY should have done that." I wanted them to pull off the BP for Gardner swap, but the Yanks wanted to no part of it and BP would waive his no trade clause without a contract extension. Sucks, but it can't be helped.
Walt's a patient dude. He knows his core is under team control for a few more years. Why make the desperation moves this year? Give Price a year to settle in, see how Billy acclimates to a full season in the bigs, try to lock Bailey and Latos down, and address your needs again after this season. Way too early to press the panic button, IMO.
The Reds arent going to be able to afford Bailey unless they trade BP. Bailey is going to get around 10Mil in his arbitration, he asked for 12.6 or so, the reds countered with almost 9mil. So next year, a 5 year deal will cost them around $60million, maybe more, depending on how this season goes for him.
I cant be specific in what moves I would like to see made, I just know that our team next year is worse than it was last year. No Choo is going to hurt and Bronson Arroyo is going to be quite a big loss, too. 200+ innings, 12-15 wins and a whole lot of quality starts will need to be replaced. He will be missed more than many think.
The Reds still need a leadoff hitter and a cleanup batter. Not sure how Mesoraco will fair as the everyday catcher, and have no clue how Cingrani will hold up as an everyday starter with 2 pitches.
The Reds have decided that Ludwick, Mesoraco, Cingrani and Hamilton are their answers, while other teams in our division went out and got better.
This post was edited on 1/20 5:06 PM by assistbyhawkins
Reds fans can rest easy now, the Reds are getting ready to sign Grady Sizemore who hasnt played a game since 2011. Difference maker.
I don't think any Reds fan feels better about their team now than this time last year. Our offense is going to be putrid.
As Fields knows I'm an offense guy. Pitching wins in the playoffs and I know that but you don't make the playoffs without some runs. The Reds are begging anyone with a pulse to take BP who is too stupid to realize that he isn't worth what they are paying him and demanding more.
If the Reds lock up Bailey and have intentions to that is great. But if not then put him on the block and lock up Latos. The rumors of Bailey to Toronto for Bautista were intriguing for sure, and if they aren't going to sign Bailey pull the trigger.
I'm all for raiding the farm to get Stanton out of Miami. Cingrani and Hamilton? Done. That won't be enough I'm sure.
As Fields knows I'm an offense guy. Pitching wins in the playoffs and I know that but you don't make the playoffs without some runs. The Reds are begging anyone with a pulse to take BP who is too stupid to realize that he isn't worth what they are paying him and demanding more.
If the Reds lock up Bailey and have intentions to that is great. But if not then put him on the block and lock up Latos. The rumors of Bailey to Toronto for Bautista were intriguing for sure, and if they aren't going to sign Bailey pull the trigger.
I'm all for raiding the farm to get Stanton out of Miami. Cingrani and Hamilton? Done. That won't be enough I'm sure.
You lose your best offensive player last year and your most durable starter and haven't done a damn thing to get better.
Either mortgage the future, go out and get a guy like Stanton and try to win this year, or trade Marshall, Phillips, Bailey, Chapman and build for the future.
Don't sit idly by.
Either mortgage the future, go out and get a guy like Stanton and try to win this year, or trade Marshall, Phillips, Bailey, Chapman and build for the future.
Don't sit idly by.
If you believe in the potential of your young players, but don't see the pieces out on the market to complement them this season, maybe that's exactly what you do. They're in that awkward zone where they are still a playoff contender next year (especially with the two wild card spots), but probably not a pennant contender. I don't see how you blow up a team that has playoff potential until they show they aren't going to realize that potential. Anything can happen in the playoffs, as has been proven repeatedly. If you're clearly the 3rd-4th best team in your division, or way out of it by the ASB, then you blow it up and rebuild.
Again, I don't like what the Reds have done this offseason, but they're now in a position to see what guys like Hamilton, Mesoraco, and Cingrani can do with a full time job. If they're in it at the ASB, maybe they can swing a deal for a couple missing pieces and make a run at the Cards. If not, then they sell off the pieces they can, get some talent in there that's MLB ready (or close to it), and try again in a couple years.
It's not ideal, but its the reality of the situation the Reds find themselves in this offseason. I'm 100% against making a move just to make a move, and I think Walt is too. I wanted the BP move to happen- he and the Yanks didn't. I would be fine with a Chapman trade, but it sounds like Price wants some time with him before he becomes available. I don't want to ship off Stephenson until I know we've locked Bailey down. And if we can't lock Bailey down...I'd be fine with sending him off. A lot of moving parts to consider here, and as I said before- I haven't heard one potential move that the Reds didn't make that I was unhappy with. Couldn't afford Choo, don't want to pay the prospect price for Stanton, and no one else really enthuses me.
And on that note- if you think Mike Stanton would solve all of the Reds problems...you're crazy. He would be a big help, for sure, but they have other problems...not to mention the problems it would create giving up all the players it would take to get him to Cincy. Chapman, Hamilton and Cingrani/Stephenson- no effing thanks. We MAY be better in 2014 with that deal (emphasis on "may"), but we're still not as good as the Cards, and we definitely won't be as good going forward.
You've got a top 3 hitter in baseball locked down for several more years, and you're paying him a shit-ton of money...you have to continue to play the long game and ensure that he's got good talent around him going forward. If that means going 86-76 next year, so be it.
Wait a minute, Hamilton is a lead off guy.
There are still FA's out there if they can find a way to shed someone, but if they shed BP who plays 2B?
Now that Tanaka has signed, listening on Bailey would be the smart play. Only 1 worthy pitcher comes without giving up a draft pick and that is Garza, which as a Cub fan I can say I'm not sure he is worth what he will get.
No matter what the Reds are in a tough spot and could be looking at a 3-4-5-6 of Votto-BP-Bruce-Frazier which isn't awful and with Latos-Cueto-Bailey and Chapman closing should at least have you all in a position to trade for a playoff run at the deadline.
There are still FA's out there if they can find a way to shed someone, but if they shed BP who plays 2B?
Now that Tanaka has signed, listening on Bailey would be the smart play. Only 1 worthy pitcher comes without giving up a draft pick and that is Garza, which as a Cub fan I can say I'm not sure he is worth what he will get.
No matter what the Reds are in a tough spot and could be looking at a 3-4-5-6 of Votto-BP-Bruce-Frazier which isn't awful and with Latos-Cueto-Bailey and Chapman closing should at least have you all in a position to trade for a playoff run at the deadline.
I'm not going to bag on the Reds at all, since I'm a big WJ fan. But man, he's rolling the dice this year by standing pat and watching the Cards NOT stand pat. Bourjos replacing Jay in center, aye! Peralta replacing Kozma, aye! Sure, I'm going to miss Beltran in RF, but Taveras in the Show eases my worries.
Good luck to you Reds and I hope we have just as good a divisional race this year as we did last season! I will be merciful and leave poor Clark the Cubbie alone...that mascot has been abused enough and the season hasn't even started yet.
Good luck to you Reds and I hope we have just as good a divisional race this year as we did last season! I will be merciful and leave poor Clark the Cubbie alone...that mascot has been abused enough and the season hasn't even started yet.
So the Reds scored in 3/27 innings.
Their $100 million starter can't protect a 3-0 lead.
You use some schmuck out of the bullpen instead of LeCure to cost yourself the game.
Brandon Phillips 8th inning at-bat may already be the worst at-bat of the 2014 season.
Their $100 million starter can't protect a 3-0 lead.
You use some schmuck out of the bullpen instead of LeCure to cost yourself the game.
Brandon Phillips 8th inning at-bat may already be the worst at-bat of the 2014 season.
The Reds have no way to manufacture runs. We are going to live and die by the long ball this season, and I have a feeling we die by it.
Billy Hamilton is absolute garbage, which many of us pretty much expected. He wont hit .220 for his career.
Left 7 men on in innings 2-4 today. That will be the story of our season.
No clue why Price brough Bell in. That guy is AWFUL.
I don't think the Reds will be that good this year. I don't think they have the fire power to keep up with St. Louis especially if they can't stay healthy.
Brandon Phillips at Age 31: 6 Years, $72 Million
Jason Kipnis at Age 27: 6 Years, $52.5 Million
Uncanny. Great job Bob and Walt!
Jason Kipnis at Age 27: 6 Years, $52.5 Million
Uncanny. Great job Bob and Walt!
Yea, well I didn't expect him to be this damn bad. Good lord that guy can't hit .100 right now, how can a whole scouting team be so off for the GM to depend on him with no MLB experience to this point?Originally posted by assistbyhawkins:
I haven't followed too closely yet because the cubs suck, but hitting .056 the first week is just awful.
Thata boy chumps give em hell. It is a long season but nothing so far as shown us that it won't be a loooonnnng season. I am sure we will beat up on bad teams like always but damn we can't beat the cardinals.
1 run tonight.
BUT, BUT, WE WERE FACING DAVID PRICE!
Who gives a s***. This offense is a joke and Walt should be fired.
BUT, BUT, WE WERE FACING DAVID PRICE!
Who gives a s***. This offense is a joke and Walt should be fired.
This organization is a joke. Most anemic offense I've ever seen and they do nothing to improve it. Cueto gets negative run support every time he pitches. I bet he can't wait for his contract to end.
Pena was a big get. Monster bat off the bench. Hack at the first pitch after Ballfour walked 3 straight. Then take strike 3. I hate sports.
It really is sickening. They have a perennial MVP candidate, good defensive infield, and very good pitching. All that and they have the worst record in the league.
Heisey has had his chance to start the last three years and he's been beaten out every time. He lost the job to Jonny Gomes and then Ludwick. Last year, he had his chance when Ludwick got hurt. Unfortunately, Heisey got hurt not too long after that. Heisey is a solid defender but I think his numbers are pretty bad as a starter. Ludwick has 2 home runs this year. If he can somehow get to the point he was in the 2012 season, the Reds will start to improve.
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