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I have no doubt Skal will play this year, and probably without missing a game. I see no reason to assume he will miss time.
BUT you guys saying that because you see no evidence, therefore, he can't logically miss any time, are not being rational.
You haven't seen the texts that Sandy Bell has seen (which it seems she is not too worried about), you didn't hear those conversations between Hamilton and various coaches, etc.
That doesn't mean they didn't occur or don't exist.
Don't be like Louisville fans, where if they haven't heard every detail, then it can't possibly have happened.
That said, for Skal's situation, almost nothing has come out of substance, only vague, second-hand, anonymous rumors (besides the one AAU coach), and only one reporter has even gotten those second-hand rumors, which is a great sign. Nobody is stepping up and speaking to the media confidently and saying that anything concrete happened. Nobody even claims that any money changed hands.
So it looks like we're in good shape. We just don't know it yet for 100% sure.
BUT you guys saying that because you see no evidence, therefore, he can't logically miss any time, are not being rational.
You haven't seen the texts that Sandy Bell has seen (which it seems she is not too worried about), you didn't hear those conversations between Hamilton and various coaches, etc.
That doesn't mean they didn't occur or don't exist.
Don't be like Louisville fans, where if they haven't heard every detail, then it can't possibly have happened.
That said, for Skal's situation, almost nothing has come out of substance, only vague, second-hand, anonymous rumors (besides the one AAU coach), and only one reporter has even gotten those second-hand rumors, which is a great sign. Nobody is stepping up and speaking to the media confidently and saying that anything concrete happened. Nobody even claims that any money changed hands.
So it looks like we're in good shape. We just don't know it yet for 100% sure.
I have no idea how it will come out, but a player should not be deemed ineligible unless he received money. If there is a money trail, I am fine with it, but if there is not, then the player should be innocent until proven guilty.
The NCAA is so corrupt, though, that it doesn't matter. Kids can go to fake classes or sleep with strippers and remain eligible, but a guardian asks about money and the kid can't play. It's messed up if that happens.
It makes me sick how bad it has gotten. I just pray the NCAA collapses soon.
The NCAA is so corrupt, though, that it doesn't matter. Kids can go to fake classes or sleep with strippers and remain eligible, but a guardian asks about money and the kid can't play. It's messed up if that happens.
It makes me sick how bad it has gotten. I just pray the NCAA collapses soon.
I believe this is correct. There is not a bit of evidence that Skal has taken money. You guys are getting all bent out of shape over nothing. Memphis is pissed because they did not get Skal.
I believe this is correct. There is not a bit of evidence that Skal has taken money. You guys are getting all bent out of shape over nothing. Memphis is pissed because they did not get Skal.
Exactly. I'm not saying there is something to worry about but last week the majority of people on here tried to make everyone that did have a slight concern feel stupid for feeling that way. They tried to make them look stupid by saying ...."we would have heard....". Well, no maybe not and now that Cal has seemed a bit concerned, it sounds likesome of the same guys have thought logically about it and realized that there MAY be reason to be concerned. I honestly believe he will be fine, just by going on what I've read BUT I can understand someone having some concern about Skal. There were questions before he committed and several posters said we should not pursue him. Hell, more than several, a lot of posters thought we should lay off of recruiting him but you dont lay off a talent like that unless there is a glaring factor because the risk vs reward is just a no brainer. It's not like there was a glaring red flag with him. You have to take that chance if you think he will be cleared. It's crazy not too. I still have faith in Sandy Bell and I think she gets the job done here and he will be cleared.
Why worry, though?
With Labissiere we are a definite contender, maybe the favorite.
Without him, Cal is still the coach and we still have five 5-star and three 4-stars to give us a solid rotation. We may take a few more lumps, but we will be fine. Lee and Poythress will have to step up and do more of the heavy lifting inside. Humphries will have to play more minutes. Matthews may have to slide to the 4 spot from time to time when our bigs are in foul trouble. Mulder has to step up. The guards are going to score a bunch of points for us, with or without Labissiere. Murray is going to shoot a lot and score a lot.
We will adjust. Remember, we went to the Final Four in 2011 after losing Kanter. Lee is a better replacement than Harrellson was. We have more experience this year than that team had and the competition does not seem as tough.
And Labissiere has not been deemed ineligible.
So no news is good news, right?
I'm not going to lose sleep over it. None of us should. I'm not going to dwell on it until it's official.
With Labissiere we are a definite contender, maybe the favorite.
Without him, Cal is still the coach and we still have five 5-star and three 4-stars to give us a solid rotation. We may take a few more lumps, but we will be fine. Lee and Poythress will have to step up and do more of the heavy lifting inside. Humphries will have to play more minutes. Matthews may have to slide to the 4 spot from time to time when our bigs are in foul trouble. Mulder has to step up. The guards are going to score a bunch of points for us, with or without Labissiere. Murray is going to shoot a lot and score a lot.
We will adjust. Remember, we went to the Final Four in 2011 after losing Kanter. Lee is a better replacement than Harrellson was. We have more experience this year than that team had and the competition does not seem as tough.
And Labissiere has not been deemed ineligible.
So no news is good news, right?
I'm not going to lose sleep over it. None of us should. I'm not going to dwell on it until it's official.
Not commenting on Skal case directly. But don't you set a future standard that a player can have his 'crooked handler' collect the money and then be able to claim innocence after the fact? I am not sure that there is any other way for the NCAA to police 'handlers' without having repercussions on the players. These 'handlers' are the downfall of NCAA basketball.
And if you suspend a kid without proof of any money changing hands, don't you set a future standard that a disgruntled AAU coach can mess with a player's future just by threatening to run to the NCAA to say that something crooked was going on? Because you know that's where this stuff about Labissiere is coming from- butt-hurt Memphis AAU people.
Surely some of you are capable of putting yourselves in Cal's shoes for a moment and understanding what it must be like to be asked the same question a thousand times within a one month period. We don't play tomorrow.
Skal will play this year, but in the scenario where he didn't, UK would only be "fine" from a non-championship level, which is not really fine at all when considering that UK is supposed to be one of the top three or four teams with Skal. UK would have lost a top 2 pick from its roster. That would sting like hell. The last notion - from a coaching, player, or fan standpoint - would be that we were fine. We'd watch every game wondering what our team would look like with the #1 pick in the middle, especially in late March. Cal would too.
It would be like going into your honeymoon suddenly without one nutsack and with half the money you were expecting. Yes, you could still have a great time, but you would have always thought that perhaps it could have been even better - which is precisely what UK fans have down every year since 2011 when Kanter was withheld from the team. The 2011 team almost definitely would have won it all with Kanter, and that stings. The notion that we almost did it without him only makes it worse because we know that he would have likely put UK over the top.
They haven't been the downfall of Kansas.
You guys were allowed to play an ineligible player last season, at no cost to any of your wins.
You didn't know about it and neither did Self? Shouldn't matter. Memphis didn't know about Rose, and lost it's entire historic season. Kansas fans should probably be the last people to comment on these things, especially after at least four of your former Self players have been shrouded in suspicion at little cost to the university.
Nothing you can do about it, so really nothing to worry about until it actually happens.
The approach Cal is taking in the only approach he can take; nothing wrong with being optimistic.
Why is any UK fan doubting Cal? Has he not proven his practices for getting recruits with you? Is there something bigger that bothers you about the state of UK basketball?
The approach Cal is taking in the only approach he can take; nothing wrong with being optimistic.
Why is any UK fan doubting Cal? Has he not proven his practices for getting recruits with you? Is there something bigger that bothers you about the state of UK basketball?
pure ignorance. handlers are chump change.
the real downfall of the NCAA are college coaches. they are the one with access to agents. they are the ones with the shoe deals, the adidas, nike, under armor signing bonus.
I took the "we'll see" as more of a "I'm sick of talking about it because we have no idea" answer than one that gives any indication of what will happen.
Yes and No. According to Matt Jones' periscope, the staff expected to hear something this week, and hopefully no later than Tuesday. He said if there still isn't any news by Halloween, then he would be more concerned.
I would take it a notch or two higher and say that the real downfall of of the NCAA is their own greed.
Coaches are part of that, but the NCAA wouldn't facilitate a set up where coaches of "amateur" sports can earn millions per year, if the NCAA weren't pocketing billions.
It's all about maintaining favorable tax treatment by perpetuating the charade of amateurism.
At least a coach like Cal makes sure these kids are getting something for the time they put in. Access to coaches and facilities that would cost them 6 figures in the real world. Cal profits from them but I don't think it would be fair to say he uses them. Not all coaches can make that claim.
I don't think these 16 and 17 year old kids are sophisticated enough in most cases to have a handler truly represent their interests.
I think the emphasis should be on allowing the kid the best opportunity possible.
I actually think these kids should be able to sign endorsement contracts if someone wants to pay them. Put the money in trust if you have to. If they are under 18 when they negotiate the deal, let a parent sign, but make the contract null and void when the player reaches age 18.
The problem with that is that it would cut into a huge chunk of the coach's and school's money. Can't have the kids wearing different shoe brands on the court, can we?
whether something in announced friday or not...we will know for sure come the blue-white game.
if skal plays...probably a sign things are good to go.
if he is held out...uk has been told something in recent days.
handlers are bad....why? because they want to leverage a kid to make money off them.
coaches are saints, despite....recruiting negatively to land players, tell them what they want to hear, use cozy relationships to gain influence, lies to them to keep them around longer so the coach has a better team the following year (makes the coaches money)
but the handler is the problem. yeah ok.
coaches are saints, despite....recruiting negatively to land players, tell them what they want to hear, use cozy relationships to gain influence, lies to them to keep them around longer so the coach has a better team the following year (makes the coaches money)
but the handler is the problem. yeah ok.
I actually agree with this. The comment "we'll see" is a very common closing remark that can be said in almost any context of conversation. Its nothing more than just a nervous bridge to the next question to indicate to the other party or parties that you are ready for the next question.
However, I will say, acting like there is NOTHING to be concerned about is blue-tinted at best. I agree that Cal seems to maintain his same position on the subject and "we'll see" to me, means absolutely nothing, but we should all be worried about Skal. We'll see...
Both sides of this argument are the silly extremes.
I hope people aren't dumb enough to believe that there is absolutely nothing to see here and that there is no concern.
On the other hand, I hope people aren't dumb enough that they have already written him off and are sitting in a corner crying already, lamenting the NIT season they are sure we are doomed to suffer through.
Everyone needs to get a grip, it's something to be concerned about, but life will go on.
Right now I have other things to worry about.
I'm not too worried about it and I don't understand how so many fans can hear "we'll see" and start to Worry. We all know Cal probably gets asked this same question a hundred times a day. He is most likely sick of talking about it. Until its official, why even waste time worrying about it?
Why would Cal recruit the kid if he knew the risks? Come on now, we all know the answer to that question. When you're dealing with the potential # 1 pick of the NBA draft, you would be dumb not to take a chance signing the kid, even if it means he doesn't get to play. If Cal doesn't sign this kid and another school like Duke or KU does and be gets cleared, it could be the difference in winning a title or losing in the national championship. Cal played it smart by signing the big Aussie kid just in case the NCAA does something stupid just in spite of it being Cal. I know I wouldn't want to see KU in the final four with Skal on their roster and not ours. Cal has earned my trust with the way he does things. I'm not sure how any Kentucky fan could have the nerve to question the way he decides to build a team. With the success Cal has had here at Kentucky, give the man props on how Kentucky basketball is doing since he has been here.
Why would Cal recruit the kid if he knew the risks? Come on now, we all know the answer to that question. When you're dealing with the potential # 1 pick of the NBA draft, you would be dumb not to take a chance signing the kid, even if it means he doesn't get to play. If Cal doesn't sign this kid and another school like Duke or KU does and be gets cleared, it could be the difference in winning a title or losing in the national championship. Cal played it smart by signing the big Aussie kid just in case the NCAA does something stupid just in spite of it being Cal. I know I wouldn't want to see KU in the final four with Skal on their roster and not ours. Cal has earned my trust with the way he does things. I'm not sure how any Kentucky fan could have the nerve to question the way he decides to build a team. With the success Cal has had here at Kentucky, give the man props on how Kentucky basketball is doing since he has been here.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Kanter have to sit during BBM? Yet, Skal was able to participate with no questions asked. If anything, that should be a very good sign and put a lot of the worries to rest, right?
I mean, if there really was serious doubt about Skal's eligibility on the part of the NCAA, then wouldn't the NCAA have requested he sit out of BMM as well, just like they did with Kanter?
I mean, if there really was serious doubt about Skal's eligibility on the part of the NCAA, then wouldn't the NCAA have requested he sit out of BMM as well, just like they did with Kanter?
All we have is rumors Boston, and the rumors don't even say he took money. The rumors say his handler was asking questions about how much he could get for Coal. That's it. Do you have anything different than that?
1) Auburn was going yo the National title game and Cam Newton was hot. He was big money to the NCAA
2) it's the NCAA, is there a more crooked organization? More inconsistent? No.
3) the NCAA changed the rules AFTER THE Cam Newton ordeal.
That is all we have labissiere is rumors since Hamilon supposedly asked Easterwood advice on how to make profits. There was never any dollar amounts talked about in these conversations or Player names in these conversations. That is why I believe the NCAA doesn't have anything like they did in the Kanter situation when the GM from Turkey provided all the paper trail on the money given to Kanter which was in excess of $100,000 in cash and benefits. Labissiere's name was never mentioned by Hamilton to Easterwood it was just asked by Gerald Hamilton to Easterwood how he could profit from prospects and Labissiere's name was not brought up in that conversation and there was never money amounts talked about on prospects. There is no money trail like there was with Kanter back in 2010 and if there was a money trail we would be hearing report after report on how much this money trail is on Labissiere especially the New York Times. They are good on writing these type of articles on players. We have never heard once that Labissiere was given any money amount at all.
Dave that sounds all well and good, but then why are they apparently looking so hard? Or is that just an impression UK fans are getting, and really it's just a big backlog in play and the bigger fish are looked at harder and later in the process?
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