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He's afraid of catching something from Petrino, Pitino, or Katina...Any deets?
and he got shut down by this guyOf course Howie Lindsey is saying L-Ville backed off for better prospects.
Of course Howie Lindsey is saying L-Ville backed off for better prospects.
Of course Howie Lindsey is saying L-Ville backed off for better prospects.
Several posters on this thread seem to think it very important that Hayes "flipped" to us from UL. The way I see it, that doesn't even matter. We ought to think about his future impact in the SEC. This Howie guy might actually be right. Or maybe he isn't. Who cares? It's June, and this particular player is a 5-9 redshirt candidate. We don't know how firm UL's or UK's offer to Hayes is. The important thing will be what Hayes can bring to a deep, talented cornerback roster. It looks like Coach Gran is working the Hollywood pipeline pretty hard. I generally try not to judge a recruit until he has had a couple years in our program.Of course Howie Lindsey is saying L-Ville backed off for better prospects.
The important thing will be what Hayes can bring to a deep, talented cornerback roster.
Several posters on this thread seem to think it very important that Hayes "flipped" to us from UL. The way I see it, that doesn't even matter. We ought to think about his future impact in the SEC. This Howie guy might actually be right. Or maybe he isn't. Who cares? It's June, and this particular player is a 5-9 redshirt candidate. We don't know how firm UL's or UK's offer to Hayes is. The important thing will be what Hayes can bring to a deep, talented cornerback roster. It looks like Coach Gran is working the Hollywood pipeline pretty hard. I generally try not to judge a recruit until he has had a couple years in our program.
I agree, Stoops likes taller corners. Westry, Baity, Griffin. But if Hayes is going to be a receiver, it will be a similar situation. We are losing some seniors in 2017, but we will have a ton of very good receivers by the time Hayes finishes his redshirt. Just guessing, I don't think other slot receivers will play ahead of Bowden and Thomas for a while. It is normally very difficult for a 5-9 receiver to see significant playing time on an improving SEC football team with an offensive coordinator like Eddie Gran, who expects his receivers to block. When a team with a rapidly improving roster takes a commitment from a 5-9 guy, there is a reason. Maybe his run tool is elite. But if that was the case, it's doubtful he would be a 5.6 on the Rivals scale. Elite speed generally gets 4 stars. Maybe the kid is the best punt returner in Florida. Maybe Coach Gran is going all in to pull players out of that area of Florida. It's also possible that Hayes might not have a firm offer. I'm not saying that is true, since I don't know anything about him.I'm hearing he's being recruited to play receiver - most likely slot, and a return guy. Don't think Stoops want's 5'9" guys at corner.
I agree, Stoops likes taller corners. Westry, Baity, Griffin. But if Hayes is going to be a receiver, it will be a similar situation. We are losing some seniors in 2017, but we will have a ton of very good receivers by the time Hayes finishes his redshirt. Just guessing, I don't think other slot receivers will play ahead of Bowden and Thomas for a while. It is normally very difficult for a 5-9 receiver to see significant playing time on an improving SEC football team with an offensive coordinator like Eddie Gran, who expects his receivers to block. When a team with a rapidly improving roster takes a commitment from a 5-9 guy, there is a reason. Maybe his run tool is elite. But if that was the case, it's doubtful he would be a 5.6 on the Rivals scale. Elite speed generally gets 4 stars. Maybe the kid is the best punt returner in Florida. Maybe Coach Gran is going all in to pull players out of that area of Florida. It's also possible that Hayes might not have a firm offer. I'm not saying that is true, since I don't know anything about him.
That may all be true. It is unusual for a 5-9 (or 5-10) receiver to be a difference maker on an SEC team. It happens, but only rarely. It's hard to see that kind of talent in 1 camp session. So Stoops must have really been impressed, because he already has Bowden, Thomas, Ali in the slot.From what I've read, coach Stoops stopped his workout mid-way through camp and saw all he needed to see. And offered on the spot.
Also read comments from big time recruits in Florida .... Hayes is the real deal, also apparently 5-10 and will be a WR.
That may all be true. It is unusual for a 5-9 (or 5-10) receiver to be a difference maker on an SEC team. It happens, but only rarely. It's hard to see that kind of talent in 1 camp session. So Stoops must have really been impressed, because he already has Bowden, Thomas, Ali in the slot.
Just guessing, I don't think other slot receivers will play ahead of Bowden and Thomas for a while.
Anecdotally what I'm hear is this guy has some serious speed like in the 5.3X range. We don't have anyone else like that on the roster currently. Thomas is a nice looking young player but he doesn't have the type of speed to take the top off the defense. I see Hayes as being more of a Jeff Badet type of player for us that can get deep on secondarys. As far as Bowden goes he looks to me like more of a Z receiver - a shifty guy that can maneuver past defenders, as opposed to a speedy slot guy that can just blow past defenders. But I also think he has just as much chance playing running back as any receiver spot.
I assume you mean a 4.3 guy??
Anecdotally what I'm hear is this guy has some serious speed like in the 4.3X range. We don't have anyone else like that on the roster currently. Thomas is a nice looking young player but he doesn't have the type of speed to take the top off the defense. I see Hayes as being more of a Jeff Badet type of player for us that can get deep on secondarys. As far as Bowden goes he looks to me like more of a Z receiver - a shifty guy that can maneuver past defenders, as opposed to a speedy slot guy that can just blow past defenders. But I also think he has just as much chance playing running back as any receiver spot.
True 4.3 speed is very unusual. Since 40 times are measured in various ways under various conditions, many high school players' speed is overrated. When you look at 40 times run under controlled conditions by top draft prospects in the NFL combine, the best are usually 4.5 with a few 4.4. If Hayes has true 4.3 speed, that would be what Stoops saw and liked. But that kind of speed is not necessary for a slot receiver. In the slot, you want guys who block pretty well, run great routes, keep their eyes on the football when they hear footsteps, and catch everything in their radius. Clevan Thomas is an ideal slot. You can run deep seam routes from the slot but you have to run through a lot of traffic to do it with good pace and timing. Deeper routes are more often run by wideouts.Anecdotally what I'm hear is this guy has some serious speed like in the 4.3X range. We don't have anyone else like that on the roster currently. Thomas is a nice looking young player but he doesn't have the type of speed to take the top off the defense. I see Hayes as being more of a Jeff Badet type of player for us that can get deep on secondarys. As far as Bowden goes he looks to me like more of a Z receiver - a shifty guy that can maneuver past defenders, as opposed to a speedy slot guy that can just blow past defenders. But I also think he has just as much chance playing running back as any receiver spot.
If Howie is telling the truth, then that sends a bad message about UofL coaching staff to prospective recruits, that is "we'll take your commitment now, until we find someone we like better."
Having said that, in reality the circumstances point to the fact that this was the kid's decision, not UofL's.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...o-pull-your-offer-48-hours-before-signing-dayThere is a history.