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We’re better without Hagans

Hagans didn't defend the big kid with the headband very well either
The one that also had a huge first half? Actually, a bigger 1st half? In which we had an 11 point lead?

You’re right. He didn’t defend that dude. In either half. But the difference between the two halves wasn’t what kind of a game Fulkerson was having, but rather the level to which one Ashton Hagans was involved in the game. Simply put, we did quite well, even as their big did well, with Hagans riding the pine.
 
Not a dude. Why do people always assume it's only guys talking sports? :angry:

If you put Juzang and Quickley out there at the same time, there goes your defense. More offense, less defense. The other issue is fatigue.
Yea, because giving up 51 to Tennessee in the second half and 27 or whatever to “fulky” is good defense o_O
 
This is on the whole team and staff.
If you can take credit with wins, own up to losses.
Now man up and regroup and kick the nuts off the gators.
 
You don’t think Quickley is a good defender?

What team have you been watching this year?
The same one you have been watching. Did you not see how many times Quickley lost his man last night, or got blown by? At one point Quickley was laughing about it as he went down the court. Go back and watch the game.
 
The same one you have been watching. Did you not see how many times Quickley lost his man last night, or got blown by? At one point Quickley was laughing about it as he went down the court. Go back and watch the game.

You talking about Jordan Bowden? UT’s leading scorer?

Whom Quickley held to 11 points on 3-8 shooting?
 
You don’t think Quickley is a good defender?

What team have you been watching this year?

He obviously is a good defender, but he's also an overrated defender. He is superb at jumping lanes and getting steals ...and that's primarily where his reputation as a great defensive player comes from .. his steals.

But he's not a great on-ball defender or shutdown cover guy the way bulldog points like Cliff Hawkins or Wayne Turner (or even Teague) were. Sure, he gets a ton of steals, but he also gives up a lot of buckets by getting out of position or losing his man because he was taking a chance trying to get in a steal.
 
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We’re definitely not better without Hagans. But, he has to get his head on straight and start playing like a PG again instead of trying to audition for the draft. We lack the depth to be without him on the court.
 
He obviously is a very good defender, but he's also an overrated defender. He is superb at jumping lanes and getting steals ...and that's primarily where his reputation as a defender comes from .. his steals.

But he's not a great bulldog on-ball defender or shutdown cover guy the way points like Cliff Hawkins or Wayne Turner (or even Teague) were. Sure, he gets a ton of steals, but he also gives up a lot of buckets by getting out of position or losing his man because he was taking a chance trying to get in a steal.

Right. He’s like a cornerback that gets a lot of interceptions because he gambles a lot and jumps routes, but also gets burned a lot for doing so.
 
You talking about Jordan Bowden? UT’s leading scorer?

Whom Quickley held to 11 points on 3-8 shooting?
Cherry pick all you want. I know what I saw. I know Cal ripping IQ because of the poor defense. Players can have poor nights without any help from the defense. We have one of those types of players.
 
Cherry pick all you want. I know what I saw. I know Cal ripping IQ because of the poor defense. Players can have poor nights without any help from the defense. We have one of those types of players.

Should I cherry pick his defensive performance on Jordan Nwora too??
 
The one that also had a huge first half? Actually, a bigger 1st half? In which we had an 11 point lead?

You’re right. He didn’t defend that dude. In either half. But the difference between the two halves wasn’t what kind of a game Fulkerson was having, but rather the level to which one Ashton Hagans was involved in the game. Simply put, we did quite well, even as their big did well, with Hagans riding the pine.
So Fulkerson's 27 points had no impact on the game. I vote we quit guarding the post then. Did Quickley's off game and turnovers have anything to do with it. Did not boxing out at end of the game and letting them put 2 easy garbage baskets back have anything to do with it or did we simply lose because Hagans has an attitude?
 
So Fulkerson's 27 points had no impact on the game. I vote we quit guarding the post then. Did Quickley's off game and turnovers have anything to do with it. Did not boxing out at end of the game and letting them put 2 easy garbage baskets back have anything to do with it or did we simply lose because Hagans has an attitude?
So are you implying that Cal and AH’s (mainly hagans fault) confirmed argument in the middle of the game was not a factor in blowing a 17 point lead?
 
He obviously is a good defender, but he's also an overrated defender. He is superb at jumping lanes and getting steals ...and that's primarily where his reputation as a great defensive player comes from .. his steals.

But he's not a great on-ball defender or shutdown cover guy the way bulldog points like Cliff Hawkins or Wayne Turner (or even Teague) were. Sure, he gets a ton of steals, but he also gives up a lot of buckets by getting out of position or losing his man because he was taking a chance trying to get in a steal.
Solid truth - his great overall defense is a myth perpetrated by the media
 
So are you implying that Cal and AH’s (mainly hagans fault) confirmed argument in the middle of the game was not a factor in blowing a 17 point lead?
I have no knowledge of all that I just know that you have to protect 17 point lead if your coach is fighting with the entire team. Do you not acknowledge at crucial times we did not rebound their miss and they easily put the ball back in were crucial points? Do you not acknowledge letting the opposing Center score 27 had an impact on the game?
 
I have no knowledge of all that I just know that you have to protect 17 point lead if your coach is fighting with the entire team. Do you not acknowledge at crucial times we did not rebound their miss and they easily put the ball back in were crucial points? Do you not acknowledge letting the opposing Center score 27 had an impact on the game?
He killed us in the first half too and we had an 11 point lead. I would argue hagans killing the team morale and putting himself above the team had much more to do with the outcome. But by all means, believe what you want.
 
He killed us in the first half too and we had an 11 point lead. I would argue hagans killing the team morale and putting himself above the team had much more to do with the outcome. But by all means, believe what you want.
I guess that I don't believe that emotion scores many points Hagans had 0 to do with Fulkerson killing it inside, he had 0 to do with not blocking out underneath. Yes I acknowledge it may have hurt the team but if you think teams haven't won with pouty, attitude kids on the bench then I can't help you
 
I guess that I don't believe that emotion scores many points Hagans had 0 to do with Fulkerson killing it inside, he had 0 to do with not blocking out underneath. Yes I acknowledge it may have hurt the team but if you think teams haven't won with pouty, attitude kids on the bench then I can't help you
And you don’t think if his pouty ass would’ve been on the bench we wouldn’t have continued to beat the brakes off of them the same way we were doing before he came back into the game and proceeded to get into arguments with nick Richards all while having the ball in his hands the majority of the time we were on offense?
 
This piling on Hagans shit is embarrassing. It's not like he single handedly made a four point Tennessee lead disappear in 5 seconds. Nick and EJ didn't get abused. Quickly shooting a myriad of bad shots and walking multiple times and couldn't buy a basketball wasn't a problem either huh? Maxey going ice cold right when we needed him to be was nothing right? You people that live to pile on Hagans have blinders on and only see his mistakes. But by all means continue with the whipping boy of the team. He's the Andrew Harrison, Goodwin, of this year's team. I guarentee none of you would run your mouths without anonymity. This board is a cesspool after losses. Keep it up classy UK "fans". Couldn't wait for a loss could you.

And for the record I know Hagans hasn't been good the last month. Im not gonna pile on like weak people do.
 
He killed us in the first half too and we had an 11 point lead. I would argue hagans killing the team morale and putting himself above the team had much more to do with the outcome. But by all means, believe what you want.
Already presented this info to the guy. He ignored it. He’s not going to acknowledge the simple fact that a dude scored more in the first half than he did in the second, and yet we built a double-digit lead. And the difference in the two halves was Juzang’s PT vs. Hagans PT.

Are there other factors? Sure. Was this the primary issue? Absolutely. If Juzang plays Hagans second half minutes we win. Simple as that.
 
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All three guards hurt us the last 15 minutes with selfish play. Ill-advised drives and forcing shots, we played right into UT's hands during their comeback.
 
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