Think any gap that may have existed between these 3 has been closed. Bk and eb are head and shoulders better shooter s and scorers than jw and can pass and rb as good or better. Amazing that they are all bona fide studs though
Wall vs knight vs bledsoe...
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Wall is the second or third best PG in the NBA depending on your evaluation method.
That being said, BK and EB have balled out.
Wall is the second or third best PG in the NBA depending on your evaluation method.
That being said, BK and EB have balled out.
BK is no where near Wall in passing ability, rebounding and defensively. The only thing he does better than Wall is outside shooting.
What evaluation could you use to rank him over Curry or Westbrook? Those two are top 5 players in the league and both have been amazing this season. Wall hasn't been playing near their level this year, and last year Curry/Westbrook both were in top 5 in MVP voting, made all nba teams.
Assists per game
Westbrook- 10.2
Wall- 8.4
Curry- 5.7
PER
Curry- 33.5
Westbrook- 32.5
Wall- 18.8
Win Shares
Curry- 3.8
Westbrook- 3
Wall- .5
Okay, so he's the third best PG in the NBA, which doesn't contradict my post at all.
I'll be honest, I was expecting Wall to take the next step in his ranking of point guards. I wonder how much better he will get or if he has plateaued. Still, Wall is a hell of a player. He isn't Paul, Westbrook or Curry though. I was expecting Wall to one day become the standard for the point guard position.
At this point....Wall has been the leading player for Wizards getting to 2nd round of playoffs 2 straight years. Bledsoe and Knight have had nowhere near the success for their respective teams as had Wall.
I know it is Eastern conference vs. Western conference...but Wall has had a solid lead over those 2 in terms of NBA success so far. Behind Curry, CP3 and Westbrook...Wall is mentioned right behind those guys and probably trending ahead of CP3 sooner. I don't hear Bledsoe/Knight ever mentioned in the same breath.
I know it is Eastern conference vs. Western conference...but Wall has had a solid lead over those 2 in terms of NBA success so far. Behind Curry, CP3 and Westbrook...Wall is mentioned right behind those guys and probably trending ahead of CP3 sooner. I don't hear Bledsoe/Knight ever mentioned in the same breath.
John Wall is too inconsistent to be considered in the elite class of players in the NBA.
When is the last time Steph Curry had a game with only 9/5/2 or 8/7/2. Those are 2 of Wall's last 4.
Wall taking the next step means he will be more consistent it really taking it to the other team. He's still too passive and defers too much...but when doing that, he should be doing more aside from scoring. Wall will never be a 25+ PPG guy like those guys...which means he needs to be more consistent in other areas.
When is the last time Steph Curry had a game with only 9/5/2 or 8/7/2. Those are 2 of Wall's last 4.
Wall taking the next step means he will be more consistent it really taking it to the other team. He's still too passive and defers too much...but when doing that, he should be doing more aside from scoring. Wall will never be a 25+ PPG guy like those guys...which means he needs to be more consistent in other areas.
Something to consider is that Westbrook and Curry have two of the best supporting casts around them in the entire NBA. Curry alone has 4 reliable players on the court with him at any given time that he can consistently rely upon to make a shot or a play when he facilitates, and the same is true for Westbrook, who has another top-ten player playing beside him.
Can you say the same for Wall? Have you ever been able to say the same for Wall? His number-two man is arguably Marcin Gortat or the oft-injured Bradley Beal. Expecting Wall to put up 25 and 10 a game with this organization is unrealistic and misleading.
Can you say the same for Wall? Have you ever been able to say the same for Wall? His number-two man is arguably Marcin Gortat or the oft-injured Bradley Beal. Expecting Wall to put up 25 and 10 a game with this organization is unrealistic and misleading.
Yet look at what Bledsoe is putting up...with not the greatest supporting cast.
Look at what Westbrook did last year when he had nobody around him?
It works both ways. If you're arguing that a great cast helps you put up great numbers, what does it mean when you have nothing around you? That SHOULD mean, a great player puts up better numbers. That doesn't mean the player or the team plays better (Westbrook's efficiency went way down last year once Durant was out), but looking at stats, he was ridiculous.
Again, Wall has the talent...but he's yet to go out for a stretch and absolutely dominate the NBA like many other players have. He throws in a clunker every 5-7 games...regardless of who is around him.
Look at what Westbrook did last year when he had nobody around him?
It works both ways. If you're arguing that a great cast helps you put up great numbers, what does it mean when you have nothing around you? That SHOULD mean, a great player puts up better numbers. That doesn't mean the player or the team plays better (Westbrook's efficiency went way down last year once Durant was out), but looking at stats, he was ridiculous.
Again, Wall has the talent...but he's yet to go out for a stretch and absolutely dominate the NBA like many other players have. He throws in a clunker every 5-7 games...regardless of who is around him.
Quick glance shows walls numbers this year aren't any better than rookie season, definitely a step back from past few years. Wiz roster is blaah,beal is the only guy I halfway would consider taking.
You are picking out a very small sample size (4 games), and ignoring a much larger one (consecutive All Star seasons with a playoff win each year).
Taking a couple of poor performances from Wall and comparing them to the historically elite performance of the reigning MVP is a not so funny joke.
Steph Curry is better than John Wall and everybody else right now. This isn't a newsflash.
Then why us Westbrook still so damn good when Durant is out? That Thunder roster is nothing special after Westbrook and Durant.
Comparing Wall to Curry and Westbrook is also a bit tough when you look at how each plays. Wall is much more of a true PG than the other two, who are more combo guards than true PGs. I think comparing Wall to Paul is more accurate. Wall may not have overtaken Paul yet, but I don't think it's long as Wall still has his best years ahead of him. And no team in the league would take Bledsoe or Knight over Wall. I love that all three are excelling and that all three seem to really love the university we all adore.
Just borrowed the below list from John Hollinger. All rights reserved, heh. I have to think this is a high water mark in the history of the NBA in terms of quality point guards. By the way, I'm not affirming his PER rating, just wanted something to show the best point guards. Curry and Westbrook are clearly 1 and 2 by any reckoning. But with CP3 and Rondo aging, and with Rose' sudden fondness for injury, you can make a case for Wall at 3.
One thing I've never understood is this insistence that Westbrook is the "best athlete at the point guard position" in history. Legler has always touted that. Is Westbrook that much better an athlete than Wall or Rose?
RK PLAYER PER
1 Stephen Curry, GS 33.64
2 Russell Westbrook, OKC 32.57
3 Eric Bledsoe, PHX 23.97
4 Kyle Lowry, TOR 23.27
5 Damian Lillard, POR 22.71
6 Isaiah Thomas, BOS 22.7
7 Kemba Walker, CHA 21.07
8 Chris Paul, LAC 21.05
9 Reggie Jackson, DET 20.5
10 Brandon Knight, PHX 20.35
RK PLAYER PER
11 Ramon Sessions, WSH 19.96
12 Mike Conley, MEM 18.98
13 John Wall, WSH 18.81
14 Jeff Teague, ATL 18.7
15 Mo Williams, CLE 18.35
16 Ricky Rubio, MIN 18.28
17 Mario Chalmers, MIA/MEM 18.17
18 Langston Galloway, NY 18.08
19 Deron Williams, DAL 18.04
20 Zach LaVine, MIN 18
RK PLAYER PER
21 Trey Burke, UTAH 17.97
22 Aaron Brooks, CHI 17.89
23 Cory Joseph, TOR 17.41
24 Tony Parker, SA 17.21
25 Ish Smith, NO 17
26 Phil Pressey, PHI 16.92
27 Jarrett Jack, BKN 16.9
28 Avery Bradley, BOS 16.81
29 Shane Larkin, BKN 16.74
30 Jeremy Lin, CHA 16.47
RK PLAYER PER
31 Rajon Rondo, SAC 16.17
32 Andre Miller, MIN 15.96
33 Jordan Clarkson, LAL 15.75
34 Dennis Schroder, ATL 15.5
35 Patty Mills, SA 15.1
36 Rodney Stuckey, IND 14.76
37 Jrue Holiday, NO 14.2
38 Toney Douglas, NO 14.17
39 Ronnie Price, PHX 14.04
40 George Hill, IND 13.97
RK PLAYER PER
41 T.J. McConnell, PHI 13.6
42 Darren Collison, SAC 13.17
43 Jerryd Bayless, MIL 13.16
44 Jose Calderon, NY 13.02
45 Monta Ellis, IND 12.96
46 D'Angelo Russell, LAL 12.79
47 Michael Carter-Williams, MIL 12.44
48 J.J. Barea, DAL 12.36
49 D.J. Augustin, OKC 12.1
50 Elfrid Payton, ORL 11.81
One thing I've never understood is this insistence that Westbrook is the "best athlete at the point guard position" in history. Legler has always touted that. Is Westbrook that much better an athlete than Wall or Rose?
RK PLAYER PER
1 Stephen Curry, GS 33.64
2 Russell Westbrook, OKC 32.57
3 Eric Bledsoe, PHX 23.97
4 Kyle Lowry, TOR 23.27
5 Damian Lillard, POR 22.71
6 Isaiah Thomas, BOS 22.7
7 Kemba Walker, CHA 21.07
8 Chris Paul, LAC 21.05
9 Reggie Jackson, DET 20.5
10 Brandon Knight, PHX 20.35
RK PLAYER PER
11 Ramon Sessions, WSH 19.96
12 Mike Conley, MEM 18.98
13 John Wall, WSH 18.81
14 Jeff Teague, ATL 18.7
15 Mo Williams, CLE 18.35
16 Ricky Rubio, MIN 18.28
17 Mario Chalmers, MIA/MEM 18.17
18 Langston Galloway, NY 18.08
19 Deron Williams, DAL 18.04
20 Zach LaVine, MIN 18
RK PLAYER PER
21 Trey Burke, UTAH 17.97
22 Aaron Brooks, CHI 17.89
23 Cory Joseph, TOR 17.41
24 Tony Parker, SA 17.21
25 Ish Smith, NO 17
26 Phil Pressey, PHI 16.92
27 Jarrett Jack, BKN 16.9
28 Avery Bradley, BOS 16.81
29 Shane Larkin, BKN 16.74
30 Jeremy Lin, CHA 16.47
RK PLAYER PER
31 Rajon Rondo, SAC 16.17
32 Andre Miller, MIN 15.96
33 Jordan Clarkson, LAL 15.75
34 Dennis Schroder, ATL 15.5
35 Patty Mills, SA 15.1
36 Rodney Stuckey, IND 14.76
37 Jrue Holiday, NO 14.2
38 Toney Douglas, NO 14.17
39 Ronnie Price, PHX 14.04
40 George Hill, IND 13.97
RK PLAYER PER
41 T.J. McConnell, PHI 13.6
42 Darren Collison, SAC 13.17
43 Jerryd Bayless, MIL 13.16
44 Jose Calderon, NY 13.02
45 Monta Ellis, IND 12.96
46 D'Angelo Russell, LAL 12.79
47 Michael Carter-Williams, MIL 12.44
48 J.J. Barea, DAL 12.36
49 D.J. Augustin, OKC 12.1
50 Elfrid Payton, ORL 11.81
