Vaught: Tom Payne reaching out to Calipari about talking to team
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Why does a serial rapist need to talk to our players? Do you have some insight on our player's character that requires having a serial rapist come in and give them a speech.
JFC, we really have some terrible fans....please keep this guy as far away from our team as possible.
Isn't that a perfect person to teach others about trusting coaches and avoiding pitfalls?
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Who knows.
Raped. Claimed to be reformed and was paroled.
Raped again. Claimed to be reformed and was paroled.
Raped yet again. Claimed to be reformed and was paroled again.
Would you trust him?
If Tom Payne is going to talk to kids about not wasting their opportunity, hanging out with the wrong crowd and staying away from drugs then I see no problem with it.
He isn't going to be honored, he is going to be shown as a cautionary tale
not to make light of this as a serious topic but I couldn't help but think of this when I was typing
He isn't going to be honored, he is going to be shown as a cautionary tale
not to make light of this as a serious topic but I couldn't help but think of this when I was typing
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The only people Payne should be talking to are those in juvenile detention, warning them about the consequences of further actions.This is a bad look for the program. I can just see the headline on ESPN, "Convicted rapist addresses University of Kentucky Basketball Team".
Go spread your nonsense somewhere else.
I don't need to trust him. He is perhaps the single greatest example of failure ever from UK or most universities. He is 70 years old and I seriously doubt he is Hannibal Lector at this point. I certainly don't want him as any type of ambassador but that doesn't mean he can't bring value to the program in a unique way. Perhaps he has finally conquered his demons. I doubt UK allows him to speak but they might.
Here is what I posted in that thread.
"I actually interviewed this guy in prison at Lagrange in 1982. He had the largest hands I have ever seen. He was all victimized like, so was his family as I interviewed his mom.
Then he got out of prison and went to LA to end up on another rape charge.
He is scum." of the worst kind.
As one of the resident, dyed in the wool democrat liberals here on the board, I just want to register a huge, unequivocal, never-before-been-expressed-as-loudly, NO.
If he wants to try and make a positive impact with the rest of his life after all the terror he's caused, there's ways to do that. Speaking to a basketball team is not one. Stay away.
If he wants to try and make a positive impact with the rest of his life after all the terror he's caused, there's ways to do that. Speaking to a basketball team is not one. Stay away.
There was also another thread about him sometime ago.
In it, a former inmate from Lagrange posted that some of them gave Payne some of his own treatment of women, repeatedly..
In it, a former inmate from Lagrange posted that some of them gave Payne some of his own treatment of women, repeatedly..
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Sadly, you are inferring our players need such a conversation, which is completely depressing. A great majority of kids Cal recruits seem to come from families that tend to cover the pitfalls their kids should avoid.
Ugh...feel sick reading some of these posts.
He's blown his chances to play the "changed man" card.
On at least a couple other occasions he was allowed out of prison, briefly pretended to be changed, but then went right back to violently raping women. And they were indeed vicious violent brutal rapes of the worst sort.
He was lying when claimed to be changed the other times when he was let out, so why should we believe him now?
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This. It isn't like he is the only source of that information. Find someone else.
I am of the believe of "3 Strikes and your OUT"
Wouldn't be surprised if they ran his DNA on unsolved rapes his would come up more than once.
I think we need to throw some bait at him to see if he is reformed. Throw a chick in skimpy outfit with a hidden camera. If he bites, then no. He can’t talk to the team
Fair enough but that seems to be what Tom is doing these days. What if he does have something of value to offer. Even when it's very late, sometimes people do change. At any rate, again, I doubt if UK wants to fight with the optics.
I don't disagree with that. That still doesn't mean he can't have something of value to add. He has certainly earned is position in life.
I don't know the mans heart or his character at this point. I'm not 100% certain it matters. His value at this point may be as a reviled screw up instead of a changed man. Again, and again, it won't matter. UK almost certainly won't invite him to speak.
Wonder what his victims would comment here, given the chance?
Not only a 3 time convicted rapist, but he convincingly lied to the porale boards.
Wonder what their comments might be.
He is trying to get attention.. Let him record a video with his message.but keep him away from UK.
Not only a 3 time convicted rapist, but he convincingly lied to the porale boards.
Wonder what their comments might be.
He is trying to get attention.. Let him record a video with his message.but keep him away from UK.
Oh c'mon, I think Payne's pathology goes way beyond anything that "trusting coaches" could remedy. His sins weren't caused by ignoring coaches, instead his MO was to abduct random women, beat the shit out them and violently rape them.
No player should need coaches to tell them not to do that. And anyone who is that sick ain't gonna have the sickness cured by listening to coaches. There's nothing this guy can "teach" our players that they should need to be taught.
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He wants to talk about racism.
From the vaught article:
"“I hope to come back to Lexington and speak at the university,” he said. “I am writing (UK basketball coach John) Calipari a letter offering to come and talk to his guys about social responsibility and privilege and the platform they have as well as how to carry themselves in society. I hope he will get back with me.”
He now lives in Lansing, Mich., and works to help young men deal with racial injustice and racial conciliation. (I deleted the link to his web platform)
“I am trying to deal with larger issues. I am trying to help people, especially young men understand race and racism,” Payne said."
From the vaught article:
"“I hope to come back to Lexington and speak at the university,” he said. “I am writing (UK basketball coach John) Calipari a letter offering to come and talk to his guys about social responsibility and privilege and the platform they have as well as how to carry themselves in society. I hope he will get back with me.”
He now lives in Lansing, Mich., and works to help young men deal with racial injustice and racial conciliation. (I deleted the link to his web platform)
“I am trying to deal with larger issues. I am trying to help people, especially young men understand race and racism,” Payne said."
Not to get all SJW, but it's worth noting he was only caught 3 times. If you know anything about rapists of this order, you know the body count is higher than that.
Dude is a sicko.
I hear you and don't necessarily disagree, you just can't know all that for certain. It's an emotional reaction. He's lucky he never received a death penalty sentence for what he did. God does funny things thru people sometimes but I guess you'll refute that as well.
I don’t have anything against Payne and I don’t think that he should automatically be barred from being given a place of respect and even authority eventually no matter what is in his past. The Apostle Paul called himself chief among sinners. You either believe that grace stuff is real or you don’t. I do.
But I do think it’s too soon. How has he earned young men’s trust? For us to say he couldn’t earn a chance to mentor the team, that would be judging him. But it’s a different matter to say sure, give him a chance to prove he has something worth telling a young team and let’s see how he uses that chance.
At this point he’s only been out of the pokey for a year and a half and virus nixed a whole six months of that. And the work he’s doing now is “counseling kids about racism.” That can mean a whole slew of things and probably less than half of them are good—this whole country is so ate up with excusable racism right now it’s not even funny. The last thing we need is more people teaching our youth to believe that racism is okay if it only goes in a certain direction or if it rolls into certain buzz words or certain political movements. Maybe Payne’s doing the opposite of that—and if so he will probably make some noise just by being so different than the crowd.
I’m all for having him if that or something else shows he’s built part of his life into an example worth following. I don’t care what came before. A Guy carried a tree to a bad place so screwups like all of us could get second chances we don’t deserve. There’s a reward waiting for rape victims. Payne can’t help that or hurt that now. I’d rather see him make a good story of his life in the end than not.
Let’s just not rush it.
But I do think it’s too soon. How has he earned young men’s trust? For us to say he couldn’t earn a chance to mentor the team, that would be judging him. But it’s a different matter to say sure, give him a chance to prove he has something worth telling a young team and let’s see how he uses that chance.
At this point he’s only been out of the pokey for a year and a half and virus nixed a whole six months of that. And the work he’s doing now is “counseling kids about racism.” That can mean a whole slew of things and probably less than half of them are good—this whole country is so ate up with excusable racism right now it’s not even funny. The last thing we need is more people teaching our youth to believe that racism is okay if it only goes in a certain direction or if it rolls into certain buzz words or certain political movements. Maybe Payne’s doing the opposite of that—and if so he will probably make some noise just by being so different than the crowd.
I’m all for having him if that or something else shows he’s built part of his life into an example worth following. I don’t care what came before. A Guy carried a tree to a bad place so screwups like all of us could get second chances we don’t deserve. There’s a reward waiting for rape victims. Payne can’t help that or hurt that now. I’d rather see him make a good story of his life in the end than not.
Let’s just not rush it.
Maybe he’ll talk to em in the his Tom Payne basketball voice and not his Tom Payne rapey voice.
I don't think that he should be allowed to speak to the team. Whether or not Payne's finally truly reformed or has any unique, worthwile advice is, unfortunately, completely irrelevant. If he speaks to the team, headlines will scream "UK's John Calipari lets three-time convicted rapist mentor team"! 
I would gladly invite him to my church if he truly want to seek Jesus. He has been forgiven for his sins if he has accepted Christ as we should also forgive him. However forgiving does not mean forgetting nor does it remove the consequences of ones actions. Young men should be inspired by good moral examples and Tom Payne’s life is anything but inspirational.
It would be almost as bad as letting Pitino speak to the team.I don't think that he should be allowed to speak to the team. Whether or not Payne's finally truly reformed or has any unique, worthwile advice is, unfortunately, completely irrelevant. If he speaks to the team, headlines will scream "UK's John Calipari lets three-time convicted rapist mentor team"!
Hanging out with the wrong crowd and drugs wasn't his problem AFAIK, raping over and over and over was his problem. I believe in 2nd chances but that's my limit, not 4th chances.
What’s of value that he can add?
“Guys, don’t violently rape women, but if you do, lie to the parole board and do it all over again...and again”.
If you want someone of value, bring in Antione Walker who blew through $100 million dollars. I’m just not sure how you think he could bring something of value.
I don't know if he has value, that's something for UK to decide. As I've said, I doubt they want the optics. Not that it makes it much better but his last crime was 34 years ago. Perhaps he has changed.
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