Uvel did not get "hammered"
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The ncaa.
The tournament generates money for them, which they then distribute to the participants. The deeper the run, the bigger the cut as I understand it (that may not be correct but I'm almost positive it is). A championship and another final four is a good bit of money, which when they have to vacate they have to pay back.
Don't count on Pitino being ruined, unless someone at Uvel grows some and fires him, all that is hurt is his pride. Everyone thought his 15 sec of fame would do him in too. As Jay Williams said, "No tourney restrictions so as a recruit why wouldn't he go there, chance to play for a hall of fame coach. As for telling the recruits about the probation and writing it on all of their literature, no one will pay any attention
First of all, we have no idea how this will effect future recruiting. They've signed zero players since the hammer dropped. Louisville has to inform each recruit about the scandal in detail, the parents as well. They also might have recruiting cuts moving foward depending on how much revenue is paid back. So this idea that 4 years of probation, possible budget cuts, and revenue being sucked out of the program wont hurt them is false.
Had the NCAA ONLY given them that punishment, plus a 5 game suspension, it would be laughable and you'd be right.
Now lets look at the past, and this is why you're wrong.
Had I told you in 2011, 2012, 2013, or 2014 that every single game you watched louisville win was going to be stripped, you wouldn't say this is a light penalty. If I told you while watching louisville hang the 2013 banner that it would be taken down due to scandal, you wouldnt have cared about future recruiting. You would have celebrated.
Looking foward as if the past doesnt matter is negating the fact that everything Louisville did for four years didnt happen. Memories arent facts, louisville never won that title, and never made those final fours.
This incident goes deeper than that as well. Rick Pitino has been at Louisville for 16 years and has ONE final four. The opinion that programs dont matter and louisville is an equal just went down the drain. Louisville was cheating to gain an edge, making recruits think they get free leg and god knows what else if they commit to the program. Rick didnt need that here. Rick coached at both UK and Louisville, and had nearly double the amount of time to build something special at UL, he failed. And he's stained by the program forever. Huge, huge deal moving foward.
Of course it doesn't matter if it was only McGee (which it wasn't). Maybe it was just Dewayne Casey back in the 80's, but UK still got hit. I find it hard to believe that something this despicable went on ON CAMPUs for FOUR years, and Pitino, Jurich, etc didn't know about it. NO WAY. The NCAA just couldn't prove it.
I will stop arguing with a fool, then you'd be doing the same thing. Suffice it to state since I seem to be your elder and you seem to acknowledge that and you still act the way you are acting toward me then you have told me all I need to know. (I'm 55 just for the record.)
How many players have we signed since the hammer dropped? Inform recruit and parents and then "It was a rogue employee, the situation has been taken care of". One scholly a year is not going to hurt them and they will spend more money on lawyers than they will pay back.
Vacating games is standard punishment for games played with ineligible players. Recruits aren't into history, you can't vacate games they saw. They have the chance to play for a HOF coach, end of story.
Love the back and forth.
"then you'd be doing the same thing"
Bet your pops is cool as sht.
He may not be ruined in UL land but his reputation has been and will continue to be sleeze in the rest of basketball circles. He will always have the Dick Vitale and Jay Bilas love but most coaches probably will not want anything to do with him.
I am still holding out hope that he is not the coach at the start of the season. It might happen.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think they will see a huge "hit" necessarily from the penalties imposed moving forward in regards to recruiting. But it will slow them for a while and the image of Louisville has been decimated.
The thing is, Louisville fans would give up the next 5 NCAA tournaments if it meant they could keep the banner. They are fighting this ONLY to save the banner. This whole defense has been designed to keep the banner. Having 4 seasons wiped out, 2 final fours, and a national title is a massive deal, one of the biggest rulings in the history of college basketball.
Calipari was seen as tainted over 2 final fours and the violations were nowhere near this extreme or bizarre. Has he really ever gotten past it? No.
Pitino is a dead duck, and is near the end.
If they were fighting to save the banner they should have started by cleaning house
I agree with that, but cleaning house wasn't an option. Jurich and Pitino are attatched at the hip, and I'm sure we know why. That's not relative to what I was saying about the penalties.
Pat Forde just wrote an article admitting taking the vacated banner is what they were praying wouldnt happen.
I think you'll see in time just how devistating this is. Also, I take it you apply the same logic to the UNC scandal and prefer post season bans over two vacated championships?
Don't start putting words in my mouth. My first preference would be the death penalty for both, second banners come down and significant additional penalties and last banners down and some minor BS on the side. Vacating games, NC games or no, is automatic once it is determined that players received impermissible benefits and are therefore ineligible. Of course they were praying the banner wouldn't be taken away, that's why they were cheating.
Cleaning house meant Pitino and Jurich, when you've got a whore house in the dorm for four years it's a clear case of LOIC and the HC and AD heads should roll
Never put the first word in your mouth, I asked a question. Hence the question mark.
The thing is, the death penalty will never be given again and it shouldn't, not even for UNC. The NCAA should never again cripple an institution to the point where their athletics couldn't compete on the same level even decades and decades later. I'm all for crushing these programs, and I do take joy in it, but I wouldn't vote to destroy them forever. Would you really give Louisville the death penalty over this? Brutal.
Honestly we just disagree however I do think you're in the minority here, and for good reason. Downplaying the severity of losing 4 years of wins and a national title is really bizarre, but hey it's your opinion.
Oh and no, Louisville will not be remembered for winning that title. Most people in the US even sports fans pay them no attention. I'm from Tennessee born and raised, no one here pays them attention. But bad press is always remembered and the fact that they are now the only program with a stripped title means they will be remembered for that. I see you're originally from Louisville; rejoice in this man, they just lost everything.
Playing ineligible players is automatic forfeiture of games played for those players. The NCAA has remained consistent for a few years now with this procedure. Not a single UL fan on their boards are grasping this. This is why UL doesnt have a ho to hump with when it comes to the appeal of the case. UL agreed players were ineligible and thats the end of the story.
One question I do have. they keep talking about the courts dismissing the Katina and McGee case but wasnt that for underage prostitution or am I wrong? Also they say Katina and everyone said it didnt happen......... Where did they get that from?
One question I do have. they keep talking about the courts dismissing the Katina and McGee case but wasnt that for underage prostitution or am I wrong? Also they say Katina and everyone said it didnt happen......... Where did they get that from?
The NCAA can do what ever they want, they don't even follow their own rules. Also, nobody is gonna sit, watch, or enforce how they react with recruits. Sounds good on paper but until petino and the gang are fired, UL is just deflecting, and putting a band aid on a wound that can only be fixed with surgery. That means getting the untouchable gang of petino, petrino, Jurich ect. Fired!
Like they did UK, TV ban, post season ban, more schollies. They can start this next season like nothing happened
Not so. The are riddled with scandal. They will lose some players due to it. Its not exactly what youre looking for but theres no way to deminish losing all of that history plus being on probation.
What you're essentually arguing for is the death penalty. So ill ask you the same question only UK is the team.
Would you rather have had the 78 title stripped or the bans we recieved in the late 80's
I don't know that a tv ban can be done these days as it also punishes schools that didn't buy their players hookers. I also don't know that another post season ban is fair to the kids on the team going forward that weren't given hookers (I know Lewisville Community College did the one, but they've proven to not really care about anything but the grown ass men in charge so punishing the two senior transfers was nothing to them). And I guess they could've taken more scholarships, but they're not exactly a recruiting juggernaut so who cares.
Pitino's legacy took a massive hit with the win forfeiture. And seeing as that's all he cares about, I'm good with the punishment. Not to mention all that cash they're gonna have to give back to the ncaa.
That's not a legitimate question. We were stripped of all of our wins that season and and received the other penalties also. So because Uvel had an NC in the seasons in question means they get no other significant penalties? Not a death penalty but something it will take time to get over.
Yea its just a hypothetical.
Lets say UK is in the same situation UL is in. You get the choice. We vacate all wins of the last 5 years including the 2012 title, or get a few years of tournament bans, scholarship reductions, and heavy fines? And really thats a proper comparison, because you wont see both happen with tv bans. The op made the accusation more should have been done. I'd argue any more than that with tbe evidence we have would be too harsh.
Id want 5 postseason bans if it meant we keep a chsmpionship.
