Uvel did not get "hammered"

[crestcat]

Now that the euphoria has died down I can look at this logically and if anything they got off a little on the light side. Games vacated, standard punishment for ineligible players seems more than it is because there is a NC involved. Returning monies, trophies, banners etc., also standard procedure. Pitino's five game suspension, four yr probation, and the paltry hit on scholarships are basically nothing.
We have only perceived it as being harsh because we didn't really expect the NCAA to do much of anything. If not for the banners, we would have been outraged at them getting off so easy.

 

[Wall Knight Teague]

The #1 thing I wanted to see was the banners removed, same #1 thing I want to see happen to UNCheat.

Everything else is gravy.

This is a stain that they can never wash away.

 

[catrecruit]

Thought there was several years probation...?? And does that mean no NCAA Tourney appearances?

 

[crestcat]

Thought there was several years probation...?? And does that mean no NCAA Tourney appearances?

Four yrs probation, now wth does that mean, do what you are supposed to be doing anyway. No, they are not banned from tourny

 

[crestcat]

The #1 thing I wanted to see was the banners removed, same #1 thing I want to see happen to UNCheat.

Everything else is gravy.

This is a stain that they can never wash away.

The banners is what we all wanted to see but there is basically nothing going forward. They can pretty much start out this next season as if nothing happened

 

[awf]

Thought there was several years probation...?? And does that mean no NCAA Tourney appearances?

I thought that they should've given them another yr or two of post season ban. losing one recruit a year of all of them at once isn't a real punishment. Hell, they have had problems lately finding enough players to give the 12 scholarships they have too. They are taking guys that no D1 schools were recruiting. Kind of like the kid from FL that Dickie V sold him on.

 

[catrecruit]

Four yrs probation, now wth does that mean, do what you are supposed to be doing anyway. No, they are not banned from tourny

And THAT is the real joke of all this...

 

[Nubb16]

I do not care if they give their scholarships back, remove Pitino's suspension, remove probation, and reinstate all their regular season wins as long as they vacate that natty and those banners come down.

 

[rabidcatfan]

I totally agree. I can't believe that there are rational people believing this punishment is actually "excessive". They (the coaching staff) brought and paid for, essentially, hookers for players and minor recruits. The vacated games are expected. Pitino should've been hit with a much longer suspension AND the school should have lost scholarships and post season play for AT LEAST another season. What they did was egregious and a complete mockery of the rules. Not to mention that the school shows absolutely no remorse for it. The NCAA should have thrown the death penalty at them.

 

[deplion]

On a scale of 1 - 10, this was an 8.5.

Yes, Pitino should have gotten a longer suspension and maybe even a show cause. They also should have had another year or two of postseason ban.

Being the first school ever to lose a National Championship though and losing a F4 as well? That is a major hammering.

It is one that is totally deserved, but let's not underestimate its significance.

 

[TIE543]

What happens if they get caught breaking probation?

 

[2Adulterers]

Now that the euphoria has died down I can look at this logically and if anything they got off a little on the light side. Games vacated, standard punishment for ineligible players seems more than it is because there is a NC involved. Returning monies, trophies, banners etc., also standard procedure. Pitino's five game suspension, four yr probation, and the paltry hit on scholarships are basically nothing.
We have only perceived it as being harsh because we didn't really expect the NCAA to do much of anything. If not for the banners, we would have been outraged at them getting off so easy.

Little Brother got off easy..

 

[rick64]

UL fans no longer have any ammo regarding how Cal is cheating at UK. Many UL fans thought like Forde did that UK would have to vacate wins, titles. Guess what, it happened to them. The cheating has cost them a F4 and a NCAAT title.

 

[catsall]

UL fans no longer have any ammo regarding how Cal is cheating at UK. Many UL fans thought like Forde did that UK would have to vacate wins, titles. Guess what, it happened to them. The cheating has cost them a F4 and a NCAAT title.

If the banner comes down then they got hammered no other way to look at it

Championships are hard to come by

 

[Blueaz]

On a scale of 1 - 10, this was an 8.5.

Yes, Pitino should have gotten a longer suspension and maybe even a show cause. They also should have had another year or two of postseason ban.

Being the first school ever to lose a National Championship though and losing a F4 as well? That is a major hammering.

It is one that is totally deserved, but let's not underestimate its significance.

IF...that does not get overturned...
RP should have gotten much, much worse
8.5 for the school about a 1.5 for RP

 

[crestcat]

IF...that does not get overturned...
RP should have gotten much, much worse
8.5 for the school about a 1.5 for RP

Pitino got hurt worse than Uvel. That egotistical ass is going to have an NC and a FF removed from his record, it will kill him

 

[Blueaz]

Pitino got hurt worse than Uvel. That egotistical ass is going to have an NC and a FF removed from his record, it will kill him

IMO...not with his ego. "I won that title, no one can take that from me".
He will make himself a martyr and preach it. He will embrace it and love the attention, more than the love he has for anything or anyone; but himself.
pure narcissistic, sociopath, compulsive lair scum

 

[Blue Decade]

Now that the euphoria has died down I can look at this logically and if anything they got off a little on the light side. Games vacated, standard punishment for ineligible players seems more than it is because there is a NC involved. Returning monies, trophies, banners etc., also standard procedure. Pitino's five game suspension, four yr probation, and the paltry hit on scholarships are basically nothing.
We have only perceived it as being harsh because we didn't really expect the NCAA to do much of anything. If not for the banners, we would have been outraged at them getting off so easy.

I disagree. They didn't get the death penalty. That could come with the next investigation, which will probably involve football. But they did get hammered. Have you actually read the NCAA document? UL must inform every potential recruit about their violations and penalties, and they have to print it on every publication. LOL! That's going to be embarrassing, don't you think? There are severe restrictions now on on-campus recruiting. They will have to forfeit every game in which ineligible players played. Keep in mind that the NCAA didn't discover a direct provable link between Pitino and Katina Powell, so the NCAA can't actually fire Pitino. UL must do that. This is all about "institutional control". UL just forced out their President and replaced their Board. They are dealing with a huge scandal in their Foundation. As a corporate consultant, my interpretation would be that their new Board is under tremendous pressure to make high profile changes, so Jurich's and Pitino's days are almost certainly numbered. A couple of years ago, Jurich was a legitimate candidate for every big athletics director job that opened up. Now his career is dead. And Pitino has gone from a Hall of Fame coach to a public disgrace. This is worse than what happened to IU. Soon, UL will have to start over.

 

[flacat22]

The NCAA put the ball in loservile's court and "gave them" 45 days to respond. What I think that was all about was giving the media 1-45 days to rake Pitino and loserville over the coals to the point where the NCAA put themself in a position where the rest of college athletics says, "well what else could they have done other than strip the titlle?" Pretty smart on the NCAA's part in my my opinion. (Oxymoron I know...) Not at all for losevile's benefit but to amass media/popular opinion support for what they have already decided to do.

 

[flacat22]

Also, KSR has a pretty comprehensive report on what loserville MUST do as terms of their probation. Recruits CANNOT stay on campus, they HAVE to divulge that they're on probation and why, they MUST mention the rescinded wins and why in all publications and they have to remove ALL references of all vacated wins. No, they didn't get the death penalty and slick rick the prick got off easy (haha) but for the next four years they'll be forced to wear a stink that not even driptino can wash off.

 

[Mojocat]

The people at Louisville are living in a bubble. They've convinced themselves this was all McGee's doing, they all are innocent, they all have exemplary histories with the NCAA and in terms of compliance, they voluntarily sat out the '16 tournament, and really this is all a shame but they bear no responsibility. When you live in a bubble, that's the way the mind works. That of course is how they got in all this mess to begin with - these 30+ scandals. They live in a bubble, and the bubble is reinforced by the tight knit community surrounding the school. It's a pretty unique, and toxic, set of circumstances. Someone should write a book.

The sub heading of an article at insidehighered.com (just the kind of journal those sitting on the Appeals Committee will read):

Head basketball coach at Louisville, where program paid escorts to strip and perform sex acts for recruits, will be suspended for five games. The university says the punishment -- seen by some experts as a slap on the wrist -- is too harsh and intends to appeal.

Another article at Syracuse.com:

Why did Louisville get off easier than Syracuse? NCAA is morally wrong, technically right

 

[UKWildcatT]

On a scale of 1 - 10, this was an 8.5.

Yes, Pitino should have gotten a longer suspension and maybe even a show cause. They also should have had another year or two of postseason ban.

Being the first school ever to lose a National Championship though and losing a F4 as well? That is a major hammering.

It is one that is totally deserved, but let's not underestimate its significance.

When you got banners down, the first time that happened, is pretty major

I still think Pitino got off light. He should have gotten a year suspension and I do think the school should have gotten a post season ban this year (im of the belief when it's one, rogue player (ex Camby), it's not right to hammer future players, but at Uofl, where the school was involved, I have no issue)

 

[JC CATS]

The people at Louisville are living in a bubble. They've convinced themselves this was all McGee's doing, they all are innocent, they all have exemplary histories with the NCAA and in terms of compliance, they voluntarily sat out the '16 tournament, and really this is all a shame but they bear no responsibility. When you live in a bubble, that's the way the mind works. That of course is how they got in all this mess to begin with - these 30+ scandals. They live in a bubble, and the bubble is reinforced by the tight knit community surrounding the school. It's a pretty unique, and toxic, set of circumstances. Someone should write a book.

The sub heading of an article at insidehighered.com (just the kind of journal those sitting on the Appeals Committee will read):

Head basketball coach at Louisville, where program paid escorts to strip and perform sex acts for recruits, will be suspended for five games. The university says the punishment -- seen by some experts as a slap on the wrist -- is too harsh and intends to appeal.

Another article at Syracuse.com:

Why did Louisville get off easier than Syracuse? NCAA is morally wrong, technically right

Someone did...Katina Powell lol

 

[Kybluedude]

It's not final. UL defiantly going to appeal every item per their new interim President. Thought he would step up and accept the discipline like a prudent leader but I guess he feels it's better to partner up with a Jurich and Pitino to try and keep his job. You're guilty- man up do the right thing and take your medicine. You didn't do any of it.

 

[UKWildcatT]

It's not final. UL defiantly going to appeal every item per their new interim President. Thought he would step up and accept the discipline like a prudent leader but I guess he feels it's better to partner up with a Jurich and Pitino to try and keep his job. You're guilty- man up do the right thing and take your medicine. You didn't do any of it.

Uofl and their fans can say "appeal, appeal, appeal" all they want, but I really think the NCAA was DISGUSTED by 1) the actually notion of hiring HOOKERS for not only players, but recruits, some that were underage and 2) the continual denials and playing victim.

I think the NCAA looked at those two things and just went "we have to set a precedent".

 

[RondoBaller21]

This thread is stupid. Louisville got the hammer.

 

[BBUK]

Rick still..."don't got no" hammer...

 

[Deli owl]

On a scale of 1 - 10, this was an 8.5.

Yes, Pitino should have gotten a longer suspension and maybe even a show cause. They also should have had another year or two of postseason ban.

Being the first school ever to lose a National Championship though and losing a F4 as well? That is a major hammering.

It is one that is totally deserved, but let's not underestimate its significance.

3.5. It doesn't affect thier team at all. They keep on playing and recruiting with no barriers to this. Should have been what they got except 1 year show cause for pitino and two year post season ban. The president needs to clean house of anyone who has been involved in shady things including the godfather Jurich.

 

[Blue Decade]

The people at Louisville are living in a bubble. They've convinced themselves this was all McGee's doing, they all are innocent, they all have exemplary histories with the NCAA and in terms of compliance, they voluntarily sat out the '16 tournament, and really this is all a shame but they bear no responsibility. When you live in a bubble, that's the way the mind works. That of course is how they got in all this mess to begin with - these 30+ scandals. They live in a bubble, and the bubble is reinforced by the tight knit community surrounding the school. It's a pretty unique, and toxic, set of circumstances. Someone should write a book.

The sub heading of an article at insidehighered.com (just the kind of journal those sitting on the Appeals Committee will read):

Head basketball coach at Louisville, where program paid escorts to strip and perform sex acts for recruits, will be suspended for five games. The university says the punishment -- seen by some experts as a slap on the wrist -- is too harsh and intends to appeal.

Another article at Syracuse.com:

Why did Louisville get off easier than Syracuse? NCAA is morally wrong, technically right

The NCAA is not perfect, largely because they can't issue subpoenas or compel civilians or professional athletes to testify. But the NCAA is a representative organization managed by its own member schools, which includes UK. For the most part, they do a pretty good job of an almost impossible task. People who try to minimize this punishment of UL must not have read the NCAA document. It may not be what everyone here wants, but UL took a huge hit in this case. The game forfeitures and the severe recruiting restrictions are about what I expected. Pitino's suspension is about all they could do to him without a direct, provable link between him and Katina Powell. UL's new Board has some enormous problems to address, and some big decisions to make now.

 

[morgousky]

The banners is what we all wanted to see but there is basically nothing going forward. They can pretty much start out this next season as if nothing happened

Lord man, they are about to be the only program in HISTORY to have a banner removed. They havent won a title since 86, Pitino never got it done, and they have been reduced to nothing. Absolute laughing stock of college sports.

Im totally fine with this.

 

[UKWildcatT]

Lord man, they are about to be the only program in HISTORY to have a banner removed. They havent won a title since 86, Pitino never got it done, and they have been reduced to nothing. Absolute laughing stock of college sports.

Im totally fine with this.

They really are the laughing stock.

The only people I've even seen defend them are their own fans, Bilas and Vitale. That's it.

 

[sambowieshin]

Interesting read from NY Times from when UK got HAMMERED for their transgressions....Compare UK's response to UofL's response even though, on many levels, UofL's transgressions are much more egregious.
http://www.nytimes.com/1989/05/20/sports/kentucky-s-basketball-program-and-2-players-heavily-penalized.html

 

[morgousky]

They really are the laughing stock.

The only people I've even seen defend them are their own fans, Bilas and Vitale. That's it.

This is why the ncaa ruled this way. They basically just went ahead and destroyed Pitino's legacy, probably thinking he would be fired and louisville would be forced to clean the mess. They just dont know louisville like we do.

I dont think everyone fully understands how huge of a deal this is yet. Pitino is now in the company of the worst villians in sports histroy.

On top of it, Calipari is vindicated.

What more could we ask for. Screw post season bans, they've already done that its pointless. They arent winning a tournament anyway.

This was a "best case" scenario as far as im concerned.

 

[DCFseattle]

What happens if they get caught breaking probation?

The program would likely get shut down for a couple years.

By the way guys, a school that is already having money problems because it's ran by Batman's Rogue Gallery has to pay back millions in revenue generated during those four years.

That is significant.

 

[BBUK]

The program would likely get shut down for a couple years.

By the way guys, a school that is already having money problems because it's ran by Batman's Rogue Gallery has to pay back millions in revenue generated during those four years.

That is significant.

To who?

 

[morgousky]

To who?

It would be like john wayne having to pay back all the revenue generated from his horrible movies when he was already broke.

Its a big deal.

 

[BBUK]

It would be like john wayne having to pay back all the revenue generated from his horrible movies when he was already broke.

Its a big deal.

You got all that from me stating "to who"? As in who do they pay it back to? You sure are trying hard to be a total jerk but you keep trying...you are almost succeeding (as far as the total part goes)...

(Oh, your statements degrading John Wayne are not hurting me if that is the intent? All it does is cause you to lose the respect of some others who may respect you. Not that it matters but it is taking away the little respect I had for you...)Be Good

IF and I state IF you are trying to be funny. Go back to the funny school...you flunked...Be Good -again...

 

[morgousky]

You got all that from me stating "to who"? As in who do they pay it back to? You sure are trying hard to be a total jerk but you keep trying...you are almost succeeding (as far as the total part goes)...

(Oh, your statements degrading John Wayne are not hurting me if that is the intent? All it does is cause you to lose the respect of some others who may respect you. Not that it matters but it is taking away the little respect I had for you...)Be Good

IF and I state IF you are trying to be funny. Go back to the funny school...you flunked...Be Good -again...

Most of us here are under 70, so we dont rememeber Wayne that much.

 

[Blueaz]

This is why the ncaa ruled this way. They basically just went ahead and destroyed Pitino's legacy, probably thinking he would be fired and louisville would be forced to clean the mess. They just dont know louisville like we do.

I dont think everyone fully understands how huge of a deal this is yet. Pitino is now in the company of the worst villians in sports histroy.

On top of it, Calipari is vindicated.

What more could we ask for. Screw post season bans, they've already done that its pointless. They arent winning a tournament anyway.

This was a "best case" scenario as far as im concerned.

From what I have seen and read. ( you may have other sources).
RP is not getting hammered. They are saying he probably knew or should've known and then play it off. They really don't want to talk about the under aged sex scandal… They're trying to leave that alone, don't want to ruffle any feathers unless it's actual political. JMO

 

[morgousky]

From what I have seen and read. ( you may have other sources).
RP is not getting hammered. They are saying he probably knew or should've known and then play it off. They really don't want to talk about the under aged sex scandal… They're trying to leave that alone, don't want to ruffle any feathers unless it's actual political. JMO

No one believes the cover story, and they only remember the scandal. Pitino is ruined.

Every coach "didn't know".