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UT Under Federal Sexual Violence Investigation

No I'm still here. Laughing because I asked for someone to name a player on Tennessee's team who has been convicted of rape. The Ga fan has to go back to 2003 to find a boy that was 13 at the time and he didn't rape the female. Aggravated rape has a wide range of possibilities. His was watching while someone else did it. A far cry from doing it yourself. If you don't think their is a big difference between the mental state of a 13 and a 18..... Never mind forgot you're an Georgia fan. Delusion runs rampant Down there.

I did exactly what you asked for, he signed in the 2009 class, not 2003. In your mind, a 13 year old doesn't know its wrong to help, his words" tie a young girl up and witness her being violated by a plunger? That says a lot more about you than it does me, but laughing about it also says quite a bit about you, I wasn't stupid at 13 and he would have had to beat my arse senseless to have taped her up to begin with. Not another school in the country would bring a convicted sex offended, and we aren't talking underage sex. He was convicted of aggravated rape, not accused of it and accepted at UT on a football scholarship, you said prove it and I did. He may not have committed the actual rape, but he admitted to helping tape her up and being in the room, probably watching. By the way, I didn't see the link to 135 other schools being investigated for sexual violence.

As for as being delusional goes, having to win 3 of your last 4 to get to a bowl game and now talking about winning the SEC isn't delusional? While we haven't won anything of note lately, we own a 5 game streak over the Vols. Save your pennies, we coming to collect the rent on Neyland in Oct.
 
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Here is what some of the allegations are. As you can see of the complaints is that their is some hinderance of the investigations going on. And they won't release names so it's hard to get a grasp on things down their. Maybe a good ole robbery or drive by will get the team in a good fighting spirit???



"While privacy laws prevent the university from disclosing the details of the complaint, I can assure you we will cooperate fully with OCR as it investigates the complaint," his email said.

The university has come under scrutiny over the past year for its handling of sexual assault allegations against student athletes. At least six University of Tennessee football players on the roster last season have been accused of sexual assault. They include:

•Michael Williams, 21, who was indicted by a Knox County grand jury on two counts of aggravated rape and named in an additional two counts of aggravated rape as having "aided and abetted" another individual, whose name was redacted in the indictment. A Nov. 16 police report named him and A.J. Johnson as suspects in a sexual assault of a female athlete. Williams' attorney has denied the charges.

•Johnson, 23, also named as a suspect in the Nov. 16 incident that allegedly occurred during a post-game party in Johnson's off-campus apartment, according to a Knoxville police report. The alleged victim in that case was a then-19-year-old female student-athlete who has since withdrawn from the university. Johnson's attorney has denied the allegations. Johnson, a former UT star linebacker, graduated in December. The NFL subsequently revoked its invitation for Johnson to participate in the NFL Combine.

In April Tennessee wide receiver Von Pearson was suspended indefinitely from all team activities after he was identified as a suspect in an alleged rape of a 19-year-old Tennessee student that occurred at the University Walk Apartments near the campus. No charges have been filed against Pearson and no arrests have been made in connection to the incident.

•Riyahd Jones, 20, named as a suspect in a reported sexual assault that allegedly occurred at an off-campus apartment Feb. 5, according to a Knoxville police report. Jones, a senior and Vols defensive back for the past two seasons, was part of the football team until Jan. 2. No charges have been filed, and police have declined to provide a copy of the full police report, saying that the district attorney's office could still decide to pursue charges.

•In September a football player was named in a sexual assault complaint made to university officials by a freshman woman, according to an internal university investigation and emails from university officials obtained by The Tennessean. University officials investigated the case and issued a finding that no assault occurred and the incident was instead consensual sex. The player remains in good standing on the team. The Tennessean is not naming the football player because he has not been publicly accused and no police report was filed.

•In April 2013, Marlin Lane, 23, was named as a suspect in the rape of an 18-year-old high school student in Lane's dorm room on April 9, 2013, according to a University of Tennessee police report. Lane, a running back, was suspended from the team four days later for unspecified "disciplinary reasons." The case was turned over to the Knox County district attorney, who declined to prosecute after the alleged victim said she did not want to pursue charges. Lane was reinstated to the Vols less than two months later and has since graduated.



http://www.tennessean.com/story/new...ch-sexual-violence-investigation-ut/30251729/
 
My comment had nothing to do with the allegations of rape. Neither did those to which I responded.
Your comment was bringing up basketball when the discussion was about football. Again, one has nothing to do with the other. It's embarrassing when UK fans do that.
 
Your comment was bringing up basketball when the discussion was about football. Again, one has nothing to do with the other. It's embarrassing when UK fans do that.

SMH

It referenced winning the SEC, which is something UT no longer does in football or basketball. Your response was embarrassing. UT fan?
 
I did exactly what you asked for, he signed in the 2009 class, not 2003. In your mind, a 13 year old doesn't know its wrong to help, his words" tie a young girl up and witness her being violated by a plunger? That says a lot more about you than it does me, but laughing about it also says quite a bit about you, I wasn't stupid at 13 and he would have had to beat my arse senseless to have taped her up to begin with. Not another school in the country would bring a convicted sex offended, and we aren't talking underage sex. He was convicted of aggravated rape, not accused of it and accepted at UT on a football scholarship, you said prove it and I did. He may not have committed the actual rape, but he admitted to helping tape her up and being in the room, probably watching. By the way, I didn't see the link to 135 other schools being investigated for sexual violence.

As for as being delusional goes, having to win 3 of your last 4 to get to a bowl game and now talking about winning the SEC isn't delusional? While we haven't won anything of note lately, we own a 5 game streak over the Vols. Save your pennies, we coming to collect the rent on Neyland in Oct.


Grumpy click on my link and their is a blurb about that number. It's not 135 this is what is of note....


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The federal government has launched investigations into universities' handling of sexual assaults across the country. As of July 15, there are 135 cases under investigation for issues of sexual violence at 121 post-secondary institutions, according to a department spokesman. Among them are Vanderbilt University and the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga."


Post secondary institutions could mean anything like Juco, college, vocational schools, nursing schools, basically anything post HS. I don't know how many their are in the United States but their has to be several thousand of them. I know their is around 100,000 schools in America so I would assume their would be an amount around a few thousand.


After searching I was wrong...way off lol

Check these numbers out

https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=84
 
I would like to see a link to 135 schools are under investigation for sexual assaults committed by their football team. That seems like a random number you come up with. Of course a sexual assault conviction, not accusation, to a cousin with a plunger isn't enough to keep UT from recruiting and signing a kid, so it isn't surprising UT is on the list of ever how many it really is.

Actually I pulled that number from the article posted...I suggest reading it. And I misspoke as well, it was 135 cases at various schools. Here is the list from 2014, it's been updated since then...it's longer now. Not a single one of these investigations is closed yet that I am aware of: http://www.ed.gov/news/press-releas...-open-title-ix-sexual-violence-investigations
 
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Interesting list, and the big majority on it are small colleges that don't even have football, not that many State Universities. UK missed the list, maybe because they kick out anyone even accused, even if they aren't indicted by the grand jury. But I am sure most don't have over one or two investigations, while TU has SIX, amazingly enough ALL of them football players, several of them kicked off the football team.

One thing for sure, for their coaches to kick a player off the team, "he guilty"-------unless of course they were trying to get rid of him anyway.
 
help me, please. Where does is say that the 135 on the list are in any way related to football? The list that I'm aware of isn't a sports-related list but involves the entire student body. It is all about whether schools adequately investigate complaints.

The list contains many of the best schools in the country and there are plenty of big ones with football (like University of Southern California, Michigan, Indiana, Virginia, etc.).

That being said, the investigation of Kentucky began in April 2015 according to this list. I wonder if that is the Tubman case?

http://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/list-sexual-violence-investigations-open-postsecondary-level-n378581
 
Interesting list, and the big majority on it are small colleges that don't even have football, not that many State Universities. UK missed the list, maybe because they kick out anyone even accused, even if they aren't indicted by the grand jury. But I am sure most don't have over one or two investigations, while TU has SIX, amazingly enough ALL of them football players, several of them kicked off the football team.

One thing for sure, for their coaches to kick a player off the team, "he guilty"-------unless of course they were trying to get rid of him anyway.

As far as I know the investigation at UT is relating to one specific case. I could be wrong about that, but would need evidence to the contrary to verify it. But actually you are wrong about the coach there. He immediately suspends players as soon as an allegation is made whether they are convicted of anything or not. Even where charges aren't brought he has indefinitely suspended all players accused of impropriety until they are cleared or charges dropped. I think that's a fair line to walk, how is it fair to dismiss a player if charges are dismissed or he is proven not guilty? It's not.
 
help me, please. Where does is say that the 135 on the list are in any way related to football? The list that I'm aware of isn't a sports-related list but involves the entire student body. It is all about whether schools adequately investigate complaints.

The list contains many of the best schools in the country and there are plenty of big ones with football (like University of Southern California, Michigan, Indiana, Virginia, etc.).

That being said, the investigation of Kentucky began in April 2015 according to this list. I wonder if that is the Tubman case?

http://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/list-sexual-violence-investigations-open-postsecondary-level-n378581

Oops I guess Kentucky did make the list. Well congratulations guys, looks like we are all in this together.
 
They should ask Louisville for some insight with this problem. Next thing you know the U.T. coaches will be acting like pitino and petrino at Adultery U.
 
As far as I know the investigation at UT is relating to one specific case. I could be wrong about that, but would need evidence to the contrary to verify it. But actually you are wrong about the coach there. He immediately suspends players as soon as an allegation is made whether they are convicted of anything or not. Even where charges aren't brought he has indefinitely suspended all players accused of impropriety until they are cleared or charges dropped. I think that's a fair line to walk, how is it fair to dismiss a player if charges are dismissed or he is proven not guilty? It's not.

Just to be clear, you are a UT fan? I know you instigate many debates with disgruntled comments about UK football, but you seem to be defending UT in this thread.
 
The list contains SOME ot the best schools in the country, less than about 10% of them are big football schools.

OK,, I will help you out, football is relevant in the conversation because ALL SIX of the TU students were FOOTBALL players that were bought in-----oh, excuse the typo, brought in to play football for their program, while at most of the other schools football is at a club level if played at all. Also this is not a list of schools with people charged with rape, it is a list of schools that are LAX in prosecuting such cases, not sure what more that UK could have done in Tubman's case since they kicked a very promising player not only off the team but essentially banned him from school for life in a she say he say situation when the state with their experts vs UK's amateurs didn't indict him. IMO UK was not only not lax in the Tubman case but were overzealous, and I hope he sues them for it.

If UK made the list because of Tubman then it is a dumb list.
 
The list contains SOME ot the best schools in the country, less than about 10% of them are big football schools.

OK,, I will help you out, football is relevant in the conversation because ALL SIX of the TU students were FOOTBALL players that were bought in-----oh, excuse the typo, brought in to play football for their program, while at most of the other schools football is at a club level if played at all. Also this is not a list of schools with people charged with rape, it is a list of schools that are LAX in prosecuting such cases, not sure what more that UK could have done in Tubman's case since they kicked a very promising player not only off the team but essentially banned him from school for life in a she say he say situation when the state with their experts vs UK's amateurs didn't indict him. IMO UK was not only not lax in the Tubman case but were overzealous, and I hope he sues them for it.

If UK made the list because of Tubman then it is a dumb list.
Isn't all rape allegations a he said she said unit proven guilty? This is why I think it's BS to kick a player off the team until proven guilty.
 
The list contains SOME ot the best schools in the country, less than about 10% of them are big football schools.

OK,, I will help you out, football is relevant in the conversation because ALL SIX of the TU students were FOOTBALL players that were bought in-----oh, excuse the typo, brought in to play football for their program, while at most of the other schools football is at a club level if played at all. Also this is not a list of schools with people charged with rape, it is a list of schools that are LAX in prosecuting such cases, not sure what more that UK could have done in Tubman's case since they kicked a very promising player not only off the team but essentially banned him from school for life in a she say he say situation when the state with their experts vs UK's amateurs didn't indict him. IMO UK was not only not lax in the Tubman case but were overzealous, and I hope he sues them for it.

If UK made the list because of Tubman then it is a dumb list.


Isn't all rape allegations a he said she said unit proven guilty? This is why I think it's BS to kick a player off the team until proven guilty.

Shouldn't that be aren't, are you a TU grad?

And no, not all rape allegations are a he said she said "unit" proven guilty, far from it. Most have evidence of force being used or taking advantage of someone impaired. Usually lots of forensic evidence, but if the post above is correct about three different sexual encounters in a short time is true (need some more documentation to fully accept that, don't post and run) but when a woman lets you in their room and you have a previous relationship it raises some flags to me. The police report says she didn't seem that affectionate when she showed him out-----but it also said there wasn't a lot of difference in her demeanor between her showing him in and in her showing him out.

Not only just a he say she say situation but the previous relationship and the fact that he could very possibly be worth a lot of money some day raises a lot of flags to me. I think the woman in the FSU case is suing, and that QB didn't even have to go before a grand jury (which didn't indict Tubman) and who knows that someone won't just slip her a couple hundred thou just to go away, after all what is he going to do with the obscene amount of money stupid football fans are enabling him to be paid.

And yes, the only NFL football I watch are games that involve UK players, and not many of those.
 
I will exercise my prerogative to conclude you are a UT fan who likes to stir the pot here.

I was born and raised in Kentucky, just outside of Lexington and have lived all, but 5 years of my life in Kentucky. Everybody from my mom's family that went to college are Kentucky grads and they bleed blue. Most of my best friends are Kentucky fans and I grew up watching Kentucky. Everybody from my dad's family that went to college are Tennessee grads and they bleed orange. One of my best friends from college is a Tennessee fan and I grew up watching Tennessee. You can conclude anything you like, but I'll root for whoever I damned well please. Since UK has only beat UT once in my lifetime I never felt it was enough of a rivalry that I needed to choose and still don't. I root for whichever one is playing as long as they aren't playing each other.
 
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I was born and raised in Kentucky, just outside of Lexington and have lived all, but 5 years of my life in Kentucky. Everybody from my mom's family that went to college are Kentucky grads and they bleed blue. Most of my best friends are Kentucky fans and I grew up watching Kentucky. Everybody from my dad's family that went to college are Tennessee grads and they bleed orange. One of my best friends from college is a Tennessee fan and I grew up watching Tennessee. You can conclude anything you like, but I'll root for whoever I damned well please. Since UK has only beat UT once in my lifetime I never felt it was enough of a rivalry that I needed to choose and still don't. I root for whichever one is playing as long as they aren't playing each other.

Who do you root for when they play each other? Do you just sit there in awe and cheer for each while feeling heartbreak at the same time for whoever loses (Usually UK sadly)?

I bet you are not a UT basketball fan though...somehow I figure that.
 
Who do you root for when they play each other? Do you just sit there in awe and cheer for each while feeling heartbreak at the same time for whoever loses (Usually UK sadly)?

I bet you are not a UT basketball fan though...somehow I figure that.

Well I'm not Switzerland per se, but I do tend to watch football simply for the love of the sport. When I was 11 I decided to root for UK in one extra game in basketball (the one against UT) and UT for one extra game in football (the one against UK). That's primarily because the UK fans in my family cared little for football and the UT fans in my family cared little for basketball. Plus, I'm a sucker for history; I love the history of success both UK basketball and UT football have enjoyed. I'm sure I'm not the only weirdo out there, but that doesn't mean I can't root for UK football to step up its game and become the feisty little upstart I know it can be. So that's probably enough about my history and background for the day. Off to enjoy a bourbon tasting. Good day everyone.
 
Well I'm not Switzerland per se, but I do tend to watch football simply for the love of the sport. When I was 11 I decided to root for UK in one extra game in basketball (the one against UT) and UT for one extra game in football (the one against UK). That's primarily because the UK fans in my family cared little for football and the UT fans in my family cared little for basketball. Plus, I'm a sucker for history; I love the history of success both UK basketball and UT football have enjoyed. I'm sure I'm not the only weirdo out there, but that doesn't mean I can't root for UK football to step up its game and become the feisty little upstart I know it can be. So that's probably enough about my history and background for the day. Off to enjoy a bourbon tasting. Good day everyone.


Bourbon tasting at 11:30 PM! Explains a lot!
 
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