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Its just that you're so boring, its hard to stay awake.
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Sorry Mr. Hand. I promise to attend class. I swear!You should have "gone" to a high school that taught proper grammar.
To me what happens to North Carolina is secondary to documenting just how corrupt their school has become. As has been proven over and over again, the NCAA will do what they want to do, regardless of the rules and regardless of whatever precedents they themselves have set in the past.
If the NCAA fails to punish UNC, then that's on the NCAA. All it means is that the NCAA will implode quicker than they already would have (which is inevitable BTW.)
I understand that in nearly every thread talking about the UNC scandal, some UK fan will get on and predict nothing will happen to UNC in the end. That's all well and good, but what's the point?
FWIW, as far as I'm concerned, UNC has already been revealed as a classless, corrupt, racist and morally empty institution that's willing to trash it's own academic integrity in the name of saving a couple of banners. The 'Carolina Way' will always be known as a complete sham and a disgrace. So regardless of what the NCAA, or SACS, or the federal government does etc., there already has been consequences for the school.
To me what happens to North Carolina is secondary to documenting just how corrupt their school has become. As has been proven over and over again, the NCAA will do what they want to do, regardless of the rules and regardless of whatever precedents they themselves have set in the past.
If the NCAA fails to punish UNC, then that's on the NCAA. All it means is that the NCAA will implode quicker than they already would have (which is inevitable BTW.)
I understand that in nearly every thread talking about the UNC scandal, some UK fan will get on and predict nothing will happen to UNC in the end. That's all well and good, but what's the point?
FWIW, as far as I'm concerned, UNC has already been revealed as a classless, corrupt, racist and morally empty institution that's willing to trash it's own academic integrity in the name of saving a couple of banners. The 'Carolina Way' will always be known as a complete sham and a disgrace. So regardless of what the NCAA, or SACS, or the federal government does etc., there already has been consequences for the school.
NCAA is supposed to release all D1 APR scores today
I asked the question about the SAT metrics precisely because scores at the level reported above would suggest that these students would need massive remedial help to take any class that would legitimately be called a "college" course. I know for a fact that the Ivy league schools only consider for scholarships (admittance) students with SAT's that are about 300 points higher . That's why average scores around 800 are eye opening.This will be interesting.....
You're right, if they don't get hammered the media will use that as justification for continuing their love fest with UNC. The only problem with that is anyone who has followed the case knows how dirty UNC really is.It's hard to console ourselves with that fact Jon, when the media will just go back to slurping them and talking about how they do it the right way. Even to this day, almost no on-air personality at ESPN has spoken at length or with any honesty about this. John Saunders has at least twice claimed that Williams is innocent, and someone else claimed that Williams wasn't even at UNC when it occurred. The only ESPN guy that has given this even passing attention has been Bob Ley, who has 1 half-hour show. That network has embarrassed itself how it has failed to cover this. ATH and PTI completely ignored the last big news in this case. I forgot what it was, but I watched both shows that entire week, and neither show spoke one word about it.
The thing to keep in mind with respect to UNC APR is that if they do squeak by, they can thank their underhanded treatment of P.J. Hairston.
Remember that prior to the 2013-14 season Hairston was pulled over in a GMC Yukon which wasn't his, but licensed to convicted felon and known drug dealer "Fats" Thomas, while smoking weed and carrying a firearm (that is before it was thrown out the window).
Hairston soon followed that up receiving a speeding ticket clocking 93 mph in a 65 mph speed zone.
Roy Williams suspended Hairston from the team although at the time he assured everyone that Hairston would play that upcoming season, even though the NCAA was now aware of the situation.
At the time, many people (including myself) recognized that Hairston's incident was a potential ticking time bomb for UNC, as it brought to the attention to the illicit use of rented cars (a violation by itself), the numerous parking violations swept under the rug by the school (more violations), the ties to organized crime and drug dealing, etc. along with the fact discovered later that Fats' girlfriend, Catinia Farrington happened to run a Mental Health clinic in Durham which was where UNC had their athletes certified to be learning disabled (in order for them to cheat more efficiently).
Although I don't think anyone knows for certain what went on between UNC and the NCAA, it seems apparent that the NCAA indicated that it was unlikely that Hairston would be reinstated fairly early on. Yet UNC continued to claim (and many of their adherents actually believed) that Hairston would be reinstated.
As it turned out, once the fall semester was over, UNC quickly announced (on December 20, 2013, Friday before Christmas naturally) that they would not even pursue appealing the NCAA's decision (good for them since it avoided revisiting this sordid set of circumstances) but also incredible timing, because they were able to string Hairston along long enough that it ensured he finished out his Fall semester, but not so long that he started the Spring semester.
Good for Carolina and their precious APR. For Hairston, knuckle-head that he was, he was just another pawn used and spit out by the Carolina Way.
In Swahili, yes. In English, no.
To me what happens to North Carolina is secondary to documenting just how corrupt their school has become. As has been proven over and over again, the NCAA will do what they want to do, regardless of the rules and regardless of whatever precedents they themselves have set in the past.
If the NCAA fails to punish UNC, then that's on the NCAA. All it means is that the NCAA will implode quicker than they already would have (which is inevitable BTW.)
I understand that in nearly every thread talking about the UNC scandal, some UK fan will get on and predict nothing will happen to UNC in the end. That's all well and good, but what's the point?
FWIW, as far as I'm concerned, UNC has already been revealed as a classless, corrupt, racist and morally empty institution that's willing to trash it's own academic integrity in the name of saving a couple of banners. The 'Carolina Way' will always be known as a complete sham and a disgrace. So regardless of what the NCAA, or SACS, or the federal government does etc., there already has been consequences for the school.
Looks like a 952 for unc; good enough to avoid a post season ban?
I thought Roy never told a lie.They know already. PJ was lied to by UNC to keep their APR from tanking.
By my quick calculation, UNC-CHeats' four year average is 934 -- barely above the ban level of 930. Their two-year average is 935 -- under the two-year ban average of 940.
So they can celebrate the tremendous academic achievement of squeaking by one of the two standards by a net one point, on average, over the past four years.
As Jon Scott has noted -- they would have busted out for sure without the shoddy manipulation of PJ Hairston. What a tawdry mess that so-called university has become.
MD, correct me on this....didn't the NCAA drop the 2 year avg? So, all that is relevant is 930 over 4 years.
They don't drop the two-year rule until 2015-1016.
Okay, then why isn't UNC ineligible? I read the rule and it said 4 year OR 2 year APR. That means that if they miss on one or the other, they get the ban. What am I missings?
This. I looked it up; unc 4 year rolling avg. is 952 thru '13-14, which is the latest.They haven't missed on either. Not sure where MD got his numbers from but they are incorrect.
This. I looked it up; unc 4 year rolling avg. is 952 thru '13-14, which is the latest.
You could say that about the results on the court as well.Looked at ours and it has been great under Cal, but it wasn't the last few years of Tubby.
I found this on PackPride:
Umm, do the math on UNC basketball's reported 952 four-year APR average.
They didn't get a 1000. Somehow, they were given credit for a 1023.
909
959
917
1000
equals
946
I found this on PackPride:
Umm, do the math on UNC basketball's reported 952 four-year APR average.
They didn't get a 1000. Somehow, they were given credit for a 1023.
909
959
917
1000
equals
946
I was assuming the 952 was for this year because, as Saxon pointed out, they needed over 1.000 for this year to raise a four-year average to that. And we know UNC-CHeats didn't score in top ten for this year; those schools, including Kentucky, were announced.
I found this on PackPride:
Umm, do the math on UNC basketball's reported 952 four-year APR average.
They didn't get a 1000. Somehow, they were given credit for a 1023.
909
959
917
1000
equals
946
Wow, I thought I was done here, that you guys actually learned to do a little reading before posting. Obviously not, so let me help you out, once again:
(909 + 959 + 917 + 1000)/4 = 946.25 4-year average
(917 + 1000)/2 = 958.5 2-year average
(946.25 + 958.5)/2 = 952.39 rolling average
Seriously guys, READ FIRST, then (seriously think before you) post second.
Wow, I thought I was done here, that you guys actually learned to do a little reading before posting. Obviously not, so let me help you out, once again:
(909 + 959 + 917 + 1000)/4 = 946.25 4-year average
(917 + 1000)/2 = 958.5 2-year average
(946.25 + 958.5)/2 = 952.39 rolling average
Seriously guys, READ FIRST, then (seriously think before you) post second.