Congrats running up the score on a probation team with 8 scholarship players.
UK Is 7-4 At Allen Fieldhouse; Is That Best Record By Opponent There
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Congrats running up the score on a probation team with 8 scholarship players.
We are in the Middle of the conversation now. Join in if you have anymore to share. W2R was just explaining those Kentucky Hall of Fame players were awarded for participation and not merit. My daughter got a trophy in soccer like that.
Let me put it like this. 2012 UK will probably only have one HOF player in coming years and that's Anthony Davis. So one of the most dominate UK teams in recent history, and a title winner, Will only have one jersey hanging in the rafters in ten years. Like I said, those you mentioned were done for a different reason. I hate our Jersey and HOF process. It was changed because of those you mentioned
For the record, the HOF doesn't award HOF status to "what we typically might consider to be" Hall of Famers. EVERYONE knows that. There are often other reasons that some get in. It isn't because they were the cream of the crop as coaches, refs, players, etc.(Edited for the KU fan!
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That is stupid and insulting and permaban material. You Kansas jerk... Take your Helms banners and wipe your butt with them. That is what they are worth.
You are going to make Kentucky hate KU fans more with each suck worthy post you make.
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I was basically keeping it that way to use YOUR language. I think you got the point. But, I edited it anyway.
So bizarre that you have two perfectly good examples and yet fail to grasp the concept of a Helms banner .
You got the year wrong. It was 1954. And while we celebrate that team we understand that no bread company's publicity campaign press release constitutes a banner worthy of inclusion with real accomplishments.
It was 1954-55
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953–54_Kentucky_Wildcats_men's_basketball_team
Does the football side feel the same way with Helms Championship awarded in football and the school like 'Bama, Notre Dame, Michigan, Southern Cal, etc. claiming those titles along with disputed AP or Coach's Polls before BCS and Playoffs?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953–54_Kentucky_Wildcats_men's_basketball_team
Does the football side feel the same way with Helms Championship awarded in football and the school like 'Bama, Notre Dame, Michigan, Southern Cal, etc. claiming those titles along with disputed AP or Coach's Polls before BCS and Playoffs?
LOL. Are you learning disabled? Your own link says 53-54. Do yourself a favor. Quit trying to defend Helms Bakery press releases as legitimate championships. Maybe some day, long after all of us are gone, Kansas will have enough real accomplishments that there won't be institutional insecurity on such a scale that it requires such nonsense.
Let me just say, I'll take the Unforgettable's Banners any day over Helms banners.
Why would I say that?
Because there hasn't been any ESPN 30 For 30's made about KU's Twinkie championships.
Why would I say that?
Because there hasn't been any ESPN 30 For 30's made about KU's Twinkie championships.
Earned official tournament titles > mythical paper tooth fairy "titles"
I still don't get KU fans' inferiority complex.
Next to us, they have the richest basketball history in college ball, have had amazing success basically since inception, and have been relevant for an incredible period of time. Kentucky's just better, and that's fine. You can respect your own history and success as well as ours.
Next to us, they have the richest basketball history in college ball, have had amazing success basically since inception, and have been relevant for an incredible period of time. Kentucky's just better, and that's fine. You can respect your own history and success as well as ours.
It's funny reading a KU fan trying to explain UK history on a UK forum. More interesting though is spotting the numerous errors.
BTW, I agree any banner should say Helms on it. But I still wouldn't consider them 'Champions'. They were awarded a 'Title'. There was no direct competition in place, however, to be distinguished as a champion.
Another mistake you made while trying to teach us UK fans about our own team is the fact that the 89-90 team pretty much had ZERO NBA players on it. The only one that ever made an NBA roster was Reggie Hanson. He played in 8 games in the 97-98 NBA season during two 10 day contracts. That's hardly what I'd call a NBA career.
I never have bought the KU as the 2nd best/2nd best history in college basketball. So they the 2nd most wins? Big deal. They have 3 titles...UL has as many and UCONN has more in 1.5 decades than KU does in its history. If not for that miraculous title Memphis gifted them in 2008 we would be talking about an IU like streak of no titles. I just don't get the logic as them #2.
It is also strange to start at the '85 season. The expansion of the tournament has had zero bearing on the outcome of the UK/KU series, so I assume you start in '85 to make KU's vs UK record look better. Fact is, before 1985, we played every year for 15 straight seasons from '69-'84. KU was 1-14 in those games (1-16 including the 50's matchups). If I were a KU fan I would have probably tried to overlook those games too.
Who would you put at number 2? UCLA or Duke is really KU's only competitor for that title. Keep in mind the last 30 years of UNC basketball don't count and far outweigh ANY violations Kansas has combined.
It depends on your rationale for how you rank them. I'd rank UCLA and Duke ahead of KU. So Duke has no titles before 1991? So what. They made some Final Fours before then, lost to some good UK teams in 66 and 78. KU has won one national title before 1988 so they are somehow more legit because they have underachieved for a long time...but the one title gives them the comical longevity argument by so many. Yeah, they win a title every 20-30 years...color me unimpressed. That kinda sounds like UL to me. And 11 titles? IDC if 10 game in a 11 year stretch during the 60s/70s. No way I'm letting 3 trump 11. And the myth that UCLA has sucked other than that time is a bit lame if you ask me. They won the title in 95, and went to 3 straight Final Fours in the 2000s. If they had won one of those in the 2000s I do not think they'd get such a bad wrap, but I'm not sure how anyone would rather have KU's history than UCLA's...unless titles mean nothing to you. And they mean EVERYTHING to UK fans as we know.
No doubt UK added to that record I believe in the 70's when KU had a coach I don't think is considered one of their best. At the same time that 33 pt. margin is grossly exaggerated due mainly t0 one win over the Cat's in Rick's first year when the team probably had as little talent as it's ever had since the 40's. I seem to recall a 20 or so point win the very next year by UK at Rupp. Some guy named Jamal Mashburn was a freshmen.
If the weather is cooperative I'm planning on driving over for the UK/KU game in January. Think we'd be able to find tickets on the day of the game?
I don't get it myself. I used to think a lot of the Kansas program and fanbase, but they act like fans of some little brother program, not a blue blood.
The December 1985 Louisville game with Kansas (ranked either number 1 or 2) was fantastic. My wife and I had '40 yard line' seats and the rims were a line which means that my eyes were 10 feet above the floor. Best seats I ever had in Freedom Hall.
Someone call the folks in Chapel Hill and let them know their lawyers will have to work things out with Butler's legal team. As you all know the Heels claim the 1924 "National Championship."
Well:
Houston, we have a problem......LOL....
Well:
Houston, we have a problem......LOL....
FWIW, I think Kansas can be really, really good this year. If Graham and Svi improve as much as I think they can, and Diallo is as advertised, they could be the best in the land. With that said, I don't trust their experienced guys- Mason is erratic at PG and Selden/Ellis are soft.
I go to Hinkle several times a year with a few Butler grads and always make sure to rib them a bit over those banners. They're still proud of them for some reason, though.Someone call the folks in Chapel Hill and let them know their lawyers will have to work things out with Butler's legal team. As you all know the Heels claim the 1924 "National Championship."
Well:
Houston, we have a problem......LOL....
It is a time-honored tactic of our rivals, to pick some random date out of thin air, in order to diminish one of our numerous accomplishments.
Usually it's some Johnny-Come-Lately like Florida or Louisville or Duke. What disappoints me is that Kansas Fan does it, too. This is a program that has a great history. They shouldn't use the tactics of a lesser program, but Kansas Fan is very insecure.
I can understand Butler doing it. Can't understand blue bloods like Kansas and UNC doing it, though.
Florida is a JCL, not two programs who made their first Final Fours over 50 years ago and who rank amongst the winningest in the sport both in sheer wins and tournament wins. Louisville is at worst # 7 all-time among programs and has as many titles as Kansas does. (Kansas trails six schools in NCAA titles and four schools in Final Four appearances.) Just because Louisville is a hated team doesn't take away what they have achieved. Hell the "doctors of dunk" was 35 years ago. How old would you be right now if you subtracted 35 years from your current age?
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