UK Has Offered LaGerald Vick.
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I think too many are obsessed with Murray and I would love for him to be a Cat. I for one like Vick's game now and feel he could play a lot this upcoming season. We will be a faster team than we have had for awhile. Let's go tip it off!
Rather have Murray than Swanigan. Murray takes us to another level, IMHO.
My rank:
1. Murray
2. Swanigan
3. Vick
I'll be tickled with anyone Cal deems worthy of wearing the blue. His track record is pretty good.
Who said Vick is crap? I haven't seen anyone say that. I only said Murray will not care about where Vick signs. Why would he? Vick is a fine prospect, but Murray is an elite prospect. Anywhere these guys decide to play, there will be competition.
I dunno about the bolded statement. He's better now, but I can see Vick's upside being better due to his ridiculous athleticism. Murray's athleticism is pretty average, maybe slightly above.
No, we are not talking about 7 guards. Floreal and Hawkins are not really factors in this discussion. College basketball is a highly competitive game. We can't compete at the level Calipari and our fans want to compete with Hawkins or Floreal playing significant minutes. Hawkins is undersized, with average quicks and no scoring skills. He has had his chances, but he is not a high upside player. That's just the way it is. So we are really talking about Ulis, Briscoe, Mulder, Matthews. Of those 4, only Ulis has played in a real college game before. Calipari will need to play 3 guards at times, and we need more wings. It will be a much better team with Murray, Vick, or both. Murray would probably be OAD, but Vick would probably become a valuable multi-year player for us. They invited Vick to visit this week so they could offer him a scholarship. If they can get him, they take him. Then we see what Murray wants to do. Murray should not care about Vick. He might care about Briscoe, but there will be competition anywhere he goes.
Here we disagree. Nobody is taking anything away from Vick. Vick is good, but Murray is elite. If you compare the 2 of them, Murray is just as tall, stronger, faster, much better handle, and a much better shooter and scorer. Vick has fine athletic tools, and may develop into a very good player in time. But Murray is already an NBA caliber player who is being projected in the top half of the 1st round. Vick similar to Darius Miller or maybe eventually Derek Anderson. Murray similar to John Wall, but with better scoring skills at this stage. No comparison.
Exactly.
Everyone is complaining about no depth inside, but we are really pretty thin on the perimeter.
If we start Ulis, Briscoe, and Matthews then we have one backup (Mulder) for three spots.
We have one backup inside, but that's for two spots, not three.
The math says we could use another guard.
Don't get me wrong, another big would be nice as well.
We may have enough schollies but you don't want to use them up because of next years loaded class. We don't want to get in a situation where we hand out a scholarship to a player who won't contribute much this year because next years class is loaded with talent.
I wasn't counting Floreal. And even if Hawkins isn't going to play much, he's still going to be using a scholarship. You really think Cal wants 7 of the 11 ships to be guards? Say we get Murray and he and Briscoe are OADs, that still leaves 5 guards on the roster before he takes any commits for the next season. Hey, I will be over the moon if we get Murray. I just think it's not very likely now.
Vick is good, and Murray is elite. But I'm talking about upside. Vick has better athletic ability, not sure where you get that Murray is faster, I haven't seen it translate to the court. I'm willing to agree that Murray is likely stronger based on their frames alone, but Murray just doesn't come off as somebody with tremendous speed. He comes off as a slightly more athletic Aaron Harrison with point guard skills (in terms of playing style). The John Wall comparison is so far off base, I'm not entirely sure where you got it. If there's a single player similar to John Wall in the 2016 class, it would be Malik Monk. Very good passer with ridiculous athleticism, not much of a long range shooter.
Whenever Vick fills out, with his athleticism, if he chooses to go to UK (which would help him very, very much defensively), with how well he shoots inside and outside now, and how diverse he is, he has the chance to do big things in a couple of years.
Murray is very good right away, but you're definitely overselling him when you say he's a John Wall clone when there's nothing alike between them.
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Wow!
I thought he was ranked in the top 10 in that class.
Not doubting you, just trying to wrap my head around that statement.
Ha, not close. Consensus ranking for Jamal Murray is around 57th. 247sports is the only one who has him as a 5 star, and he's the #9 player in the class, so I can see why some would feel that way. There are quite a few 2016 guards that I would take before Murray though, if we're being blunt here.
That said though, in this class, the only guards I would rank ahead of him would be Briscoe, Newman, Trier, Thornton, and maybe Brunson.
In fairness to him, the 2016 class is hands down the best guard class that has come out of high school in years. There will be 2-3 NBA star guards out of that class before it's all said and done.
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You sound like you know a lot about this kind of stuff, so I'm not saying you don't. However, the player I saw in that Nike game looked a lot better than you are describing. And it's not just giddy UK fans saying how good he is. Also, you said 247 is the only service that has him as a 5 star, but he's 15th in the 2016 class at Rivals.
Right, because that's how those who ranks players do it. Just look at one game.
Which is precisely why he should pick UK. He's not a sure-fire OAD. Kentucky would prepare him and possibly act as a conduit in heightening his stock ala Goodwin, Booker, Teague, etc.
Right, because that's how those who ranks players do it. Just look at one game.
Yeah, they too are falling in the trap...
None of those guards are going to be in college next year, so I guess it is relative.
I'll take two of the top five or six guards coming into college paired together on the wing with Ulis running the show with a Senior Poy and the projected first pick in the draft in Labissiere inside.
Should be a great starting five for this year.
I'll take two of the top five or six guards coming into college paired together on the wing with Ulis running the show with a Senior Poy and the projected first pick in the draft in Labissiere inside.
Should be a great starting five for this year.
Agreed. I love next year's team. A lot of versatility at our guard spots. I think Charles Matthews can provide a MKG-like player for us. Tons of defense and energy, freak athleticism, able to slash to the basket with both hands and play through contact. We have a big strong combo guard in Briscoe with some of the best ball handling that we've had in a few years, aside from Ulis, who will be the best true point guard that we've had in quite a few years as well. I like having a backcourt with 2 guys who both handle the ball extraordinarily well, both play some intense, in your face defense, both can create shots for others and get everybody involved. I can easily see it being the best backcourt in the country next season.
Skal has potential to win the Wooden award as well. Kid is gonna be a superstar in college, and not even the loserville fans will deny that. Freak athlete with a high basketball IQ, the best instincts of any big man in the class, a remarkable shooter from face-up, as well as with his back to the basket, and some good ball handling and passing to boot. He's also a ridiculous shot-blocker and a good rebounder. Add in an energized Marcus Lee, or a well experienced, lockdown/versatile defender in Poythress, who should have some better offense to offer for us at the 4 next season. It's hard not to love the look of our team. Especially with the addition of a player like Mulder, who can play some significant minutes at the 2 or 3 (or if we roll really small like Duke did this past year, and it's necessary, the 4) thanks to his athleticism, offense, and wingspan. Same for Matthews in that regard.
Picking up Vick would add onto an incredibly talented guard-driven team in a game that is incredibly guard driven.
Having the best backcourt in the country, as well as the potential national player of the year in the frontcourt will carry this team far.
I'm sorry but that 57th composite ranking is out dated and I'm sure it will be changing very soon, whether he moves to 2015 or stays in 2016. Some recruiting services, including 247, said he will be ranked in the top 10 if he moves to 2015 and he is ranked in the top 15 in a couple services' 2016 ranking. If he doesn't reclassify, I seriously doubt he even goes to college at all, so I think his 2016 are irrelevant anyways. However, what is relevant for him in 2016 is the draft, where most draft boards have him right outside the lottery and around pick 20 on their board. So, I think its safe to safe that the kid is elite for sure. Ive watched a few games of his and so I'm not simply basing my opinion on the NHS game, although he did show the world his skill set that day. I wonder if you are basing your opinion of him off of 1 game and selling him short. While watching just 1 game of a player is not enough to thoroughly evaluate a player, only having seen that 1 game is not a reason to sell him short or to say that another player is better for the simple fact that you have only seen him 1 time and he may have 30 other games just like the NHS game. Fact is, you just don't know. So, its unfair to say that so and so is better, when in fact you just haven't seen the other player enough to argue that point. And I'm talking in generalizations when I say "you", I'm not specifically speaking about you. I'm simply just trying to make a point. (although my point may fit you, its not directed specifically about you).
I think I may have just confused folks with trying to make this point. LOL! I'm struggling to find the words to convey my point. I hope Ive been clear enough to at least get the basis anyway. Its late and its been a long day. Lol
You mean like Dirk Nowitzki's did? Or Tony Parker's? Or Enes Kanter's? Or Dante Exum's (we'll see if that pans out in the pros, but I think it's a safe bet he would have had an impact in college)?
NBA guys are talking about him as a 1st rounder, and it would shock almost no one if he ended up a lottery pick. But you're right. One game. Myth.
Actually Scout has him at 9. Jerry Meyer said that if he moved to 2015 that he would probably rank him ahead of Trier and Newman. I've only seen the one game so I don't know. But the "experts" have all been collectively higher on him recently.
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