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UK Football will never be above average. Why? Long.

The state doesn’t produce enough quality D-1 players and we are located the middle. Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame Penn State control Ohio Michigan Indiana and Pennsylvania. Tennessee produces several D-1 players and all dream of playing for UT or UGA or Bama. UNC, NCSU, Duke, and even Tn gobble up the talent in North Carolina. Clemson and USC jr own South Carolina. Georgia belongs to Georgia Tennessee. Florida belongs to FSU, Miami, Florida. Alabama belongs to Bama and Auburn. Mississippi is owned by Ole Miss and State U. Etc Etc.
You see the problem. We are like most mid majors we eat leftovers. About 15 teams dominate college football and Kentucky isn’t one and never will be because we have no tradition and there isn’t enough home grown talent. UK basketball is a power because of Rupp and tradition and the state has always produced talented players even though Cal wouldn’t recognize them. Calipari was right though…UK always has been and always will be a basketball school.
we are located the middle.

Top of the south. Our advantage is we can promise midwestern recruits a chance to play in the SEC without being too far from home.
 
The playoff in no way gives everyone a chance. It gives good programs more flexibility to lose 2 to 3 games. It doesn't do anything for everyone else.

And on 2018 and 2021, those were great UK seasons but neither team would have made a 12 team playoff. I think the OPs point is we won't see those seasons going forward due to NIL issues and expanded sec. I agree with him.
I think 2018 actually would’ve made it lol think they finished at 12
 
Spending more money doesn't make you a national brand, it take years and years of winning to do that.
If you are a national brand you can overcome the lack of home grown talent like the basketball program does.
Not as easy for football.
No one dreams of playing for UK football unless they were born here.
I'm sure our football spending is in the bottom 1/3rd of the league but I don't believe the money is available like it is at the top of the SEC.
You will never get majority support for backing off funding for basketball, as it's the school athletic identity.
As far as portal spending, it's always going to be hit and miss.
UK will overpay for players because they are more desperate than the traditional powers which is probably what they did with Brock because he had five stars next to his name in HS.
No one said to back off funding for basketball. Just spend more on football. Football should be outspending basketball anyway.
 
The state doesn’t produce enough quality D-1 players and we are located the middle. Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame Penn State control Ohio Michigan Indiana and Pennsylvania. Tennessee produces several D-1 players and all dream of playing for UT or UGA or Bama. UNC, NCSU, Duke, and even Tn gobble up the talent in North Carolina. Clemson and USC jr own South Carolina. Georgia belongs to Georgia Tennessee. Florida belongs to FSU, Miami, Florida. Alabama belongs to Bama and Auburn. Mississippi is owned by Ole Miss and State U. Etc Etc.
You see the problem. We are like most mid majors we eat leftovers. About 15 teams dominate college football and Kentucky isn’t one and never will be because we have no tradition and there isn’t enough home grown talent. UK basketball is a power because of Rupp and tradition and the state has always produced talented players even though Cal wouldn’t recognize them. Calipari was right though…UK always has been and always will be a basketball school.

I see where many have called you a Vanderbilt fan in the past. This post seems to confirm it. Were you salivating at the thought of being able to write this dog sh*t post ?
 
The state doesn’t produce enough quality D-1 players and we are located the middle. Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame Penn State control Ohio Michigan Indiana and Pennsylvania. Tennessee produces several D-1 players and all dream of playing for UT or UGA or Bama. UNC, NCSU, Duke, and even Tn gobble up the talent in North Carolina. Clemson and USC jr own South Carolina. Georgia belongs to Georgia Tennessee. Florida belongs to FSU, Miami, Florida. Alabama belongs to Bama and Auburn. Mississippi is owned by Ole Miss and State U. Etc Etc.
You see the problem. We are like most mid majors we eat leftovers. About 15 teams dominate college football and Kentucky isn’t one and never will be because we have no tradition and there isn’t enough home grown talent. UK basketball is a power because of Rupp and tradition and the state has always produced talented players even though Cal wouldn’t recognize them. Calipari was right though…UK always has been and always will be a basketball school.

You are correct, 100%. Calipari should have never vocalized it, but UK is and always will be a basketball school.

I'm not sure why this is so difficult for folks to understand. Also, everything you said about the recruiting and location, etc is 100% accurate. Our fans don't want to admit it, but it is true.

All that said, Stoops probably needs to move on. Much like Cal, it has gotten stale and I think the issue is he (Stoops) set a bar that he simply cannot achieve here on a regular basis (10 wins). To be clear, I'm not saying Cal set a bar...he didn't, UKMBB is a different beast, unlike football.
 
You are correct, 100%. Calipari should have never vocalized it, but UK is and always will be a basketball school.

I'm not sure why this is so difficult for folks to understand. Also, everything you said about the recruiting and location, etc is 100% accurate. Our fans don't want to admit it, but it is true.

All that said, Stoops probably needs to move on. Much like Cal, it has gotten stale and I think the issue is he (Stoops) set a bar that he simply cannot achieve here on a regular basis (10 wins). To be clear, I'm not saying Cal set a bar...he didn't, UKMBB is a different beast, unlike football.

Being known as a “basketball school” isn’t exactly a compliment. It’s just a source of laughter for SEC fans. I don’t know why THIS is so difficult to understand.

Basketball is an afterthought. Like it or not it’s true. Accepting were just a basketball school and being fine with it is accepting mediocrity.
 
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Being known as a “basketball school” isn’t exactly a compliment. It’s just a source of laughter for SEC fans. I don’t know why THIS is so difficult to understand.

Basketball is an afterthought. Like it or not it’s true. Accepting were just a basketball school and being fine with it is accepting mediocrity.
You're not defined by what other SEC schools think of you, you are defined by what you are successful at.
At UK that's basketball.
It's not like they are going to kick us out of the conference.
Arkansas, South Carolina, Ole Miss and Texas A&M all claim to be football schools but what has any of them accomplished nationally?
I'll take our 8 Natty's in basketball over all of the before mentioned schools combined accomplishments in football.
 
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Being known as a “basketball school” isn’t exactly a compliment. It’s just a source of laughter for SEC fans. I don’t know why THIS is so difficult to understand.

Basketball is an afterthought. Like it or not it’s true. Accepting were just a basketball school and being fine with it is accepting mediocrity.

Ok, if you want to hop in your Delorian and go fix it you can. You are acting like basketball is some 3rd world sport. Basketball is far from an afterthought. It may be to you, but not the majority of people.

Your comparison would be the equivalent of me saying what the majority of the world thinks about soccer vs. NFL.
 
You're not defined by what other SEC schools think of you, you are defined by what you are successful at.
At UK that's basketball.
It's not like they are going to kick us out of the conference.
Arkansas, South Carolina, Ole Miss and Texas A&M all claim to be football schools but what has any of them accomplished nationally?
I'll take our 8 Natty's in basketball over all of the before mentioned schools combined accomplishments in football.
It doesn’t matter. Even nationally outside of a few fanbases, basketball is irrelevant.
 
It doesn’t matter. Even nationally outside of a few fanbases, basketball is irrelevant.
College BB is second to college FB.
Second not fifth.
I'll take being an 8 time national champion in the second most popular sport .
If you can't be Alabama, Georgia, Ohio St, LSU, Michigan what's so great about being a second tier top 25 football program.
None of those guys are winning shit.
I wouldn't trade our basketball program for Penn St's football program.
They're not winning shit ever again and they would get their ass kicked by Georgia just like we will.
 
Stoops was doing pretty well before we lost the Big Blue Wall coach. Since then our O line has been hot garbage. Not sure if it's a lack of coaching, talent, injuries or a huge heaping combination of it all. When you have 7 players protecting the QB and they rush 3....and pressure the QB.... Something is wrong. But until the OLine solidifies, it will not matter if we have Tim Couch as QB, we are going to lose, regardless of the talent gap else where.
 
College BB is second to college FB.
Second not fifth.
I'll take being an 8 time national champion in the second most popular sport .
If you can't be Alabama, Georgia, Ohio St, LSU, Michigan what's so great about being a second tier top 25 football program.
None of those guys are winning shit.
I wouldn't trade our basketball program for Penn St's football program.
They're not winning shit ever again and they would get their ass kicked by Georgia just like we will.
Most college fb teams ARE second tier, but they are still fighting. Ole Miss was as mediocre as us, but now they are killing it. Alabama was mediocre in the 1990s and early 2000’s.

FB programs keep investing and prioritizing because it makes good business sense. Football is by far the cash cow everywhere except Duke, and it needs to be fostered.
 
Most college fb teams ARE second tier, but they are still fighting. Ole Miss was as mediocre as us, but now they are killing it. Alabama was mediocre in the 1990s and early 2000’s.

FB programs keep investing and prioritizing because it makes good business sense. Football is by far the cash cow everywhere except Duke, and it needs to be fostered.

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Would you rather UK and Ole Miss trade performances on basketball court and football field?

Meaning, have UK be mediocre at bball and really good, boardering elite at football?
 
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The state doesn’t produce enough quality D-1 players and we are located the middle. Ohio State, Michigan, Notre Dame Penn State control Ohio Michigan Indiana and Pennsylvania. Tennessee produces several D-1 players and all dream of playing for UT or UGA or Bama. UNC, NCSU, Duke, and even Tn gobble up the talent in North Carolina. Clemson and USC jr own South Carolina. Georgia belongs to Georgia Tennessee. Florida belongs to FSU, Miami, Florida. Alabama belongs to Bama and Auburn. Mississippi is owned by Ole Miss and State U. Etc Etc.
You see the problem. We are like most mid majors we eat leftovers. About 15 teams dominate college football and Kentucky isn’t one and never will be because we have no tradition and there isn’t enough home grown talent. UK basketball is a power because of Rupp and tradition and the state has always produced talented players even though Cal wouldn’t recognize them. Calipari was right though…UK always has been and always will be a basketball school.
The bad news for you is trashing the football program with assertions that are everything from exaggerations to being patently false is not going to help your basketball team win one game. My advise to you is go back to the Rafters where you live the rest of time.
 
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Would you rather UK and Ole Miss trade performances on basketball court and football field?

Meaning, have UK be mediocre at bball and really good, boardering elite at football?

You’re a respectful. Poster and I appreciate that.

As a football guy I’d easily trade 8 NCs in bball for the 6 div champiomships and three ncs. The pageantry and the Grove is awesome. Again, I’m a fb guy. Winning in basketball is nice, I guess, but when you win in football it’s huge.

Ask a ut fan the same question. They only have 2 NCs in fb (1951 and 1958). You’d be surprised . As a UK fan, traveling to other SEC venues opened my eyes. It’s a TRUE celebration .
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Honestly, if we can’t ever be top tier I’d assume just drop fb and change conferences. Getting our asses handed to us by sec teams in fb while our fans Fire back with “wait til basketball season has grown old really fast.
 
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You’re a respectful. Poster and I appreciate that.

As a football guy I’d easily trade 8 NCs in bball for the 6 div champiomships and three ncs. The pageantry and the Grove is awesome. Again, I’m a fb guy. Winning in basketball is nice, I guess, but when you win in football it’s huge.

Ask a ut fan the same question. They only have 2 NCs in fb (1951 and 1958). You’d be surprised . As a UK fan, traveling to other SEC venues opened my eyes. It’s a TRUE celebration .
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Honestly, if we can’t ever be top tier I’d assume just drop fb and change conferences. Getting our asses handed to us by sec teams in fb while our fans Fire back with “wait til basketball season has grown old really fast.

Well, thanks. I appreciate the honest response and kind words. Admittedly, I'm basketball first. I like the sport more and tradition of UKMBB. I'm not a huge NCAA FB guy, much much prefer the NFL and similarly, but opposite, prefer NCAA BB over NBA.

To each their own. For me, I'd much prefer us be what we've been my whole life in football and eventually catch UCLA in MBB titles prior to me kicking rocks on planet Earth 😂
 
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