UK and UL, highest tie in the 15 class recrtuiting rankings per Rivals. tie

[jauk11]

for 29th.

But the tie is a sham because UK only has 18 commits to UL's 23, UK has four four stars to UL's one, UK has a numerical rating of 5.650 to UL's rating of 5.570, and UL has had to go the JC route with SEVEN JC commits.

When (not if) UK adds two more commits that average a 5.6 (below the present class average of 5.650) we will add 150 points, which will put us about 10 points below the 25th spot in the rankings, likely to finish in the top 25 while UL is likely to drop if anything.

And yes, this isn't all good, we do have to start recruiting better to compete in the SEC, but I actually expect us to finish recruiting strong, we still have eight slots to fill, and although two may be taken by the two transfers we should be glad we gottem. This is still a very impressive recruiting class when you consider we were a five win team vs a nine win team and they won the head to head.

The upgrade in recruiting has been amazing, now to take the next step we are going to have to start winning more games, and I definitely expect us to start doing just that. With the talent we are bringing in there should be very few of the blowout games we have had in the SEC and more games we should win AND a few more upsets, we won't be completely overmatched like we have been almost every year prior to Stoops AND the increased support for football.
This post was edited on 1/23 6:20 AM by jauk11

 

[USMC Cat]

Win 7-8 games, and the recruits will come.

Beat UL, and we will land an even larger share of the (few) top recruits in KY.

 

[un4getables]

Originally posted by USMC Cat:
Win 7-8 games, and the recruits will come.

Beat UL, and we will land an even larger share of the (few) top recruits in KY.

The last time I checked we have gotten ALL the top football talent in Kentucky since Stoops has been here with the exception of Harris.......

 

[Chuckinden]

Although I understand your premise. I wouldn't call it a sham. If another teams has more recruits with star rankings, they should be ranked accordingly.

Of course, at this point, I would rather have less with more because we have time to pick up more with less....if we have to.

 

[Poetax]

Originally posted by USMC Cat:
Win 7-8 games, and the recruits will come.

Beat UL, and we will land an even larger share of the (few) top recruits in KY.

Yeah I don't think that ul looks at instate recruits like we do. Even with bad years we seem to do well against ul for Kentucky kids.

 

[KapitalCat]

I pay more attention to the average star ratings and whether a class meets the needs of the team. We have 17 commitments but we also two guys we have to sweat flipping. J. Dinson and DaVon Hamilton and one guy who seems solid but keeps looking around-Jason Strowbridge. If Dinson is still a Cat few days after his Auburn trip I'll feel better about him. Hamilton is visiting OSU and lets just hope they don't offer.

At the same time we will have already flipped one guy and if Alabama lets Custis go there is a chance we get back in with him. It's going to be a wild ride as Feb 4 approaches.

Our average star rating is 3.22 which is decent and continues a trend of bringing him higher rated and qulaity players. This class really misses a vocal leader.

 

[stenchymouse]

UofL probably has more talent already in their program so all they need to do is keep bringing in decent classes.

We still need a few more redshirted classes to catch up...

In a few more years, we'll pass them up in talent I believe.

 

[CatsFanGG24]

Originally posted by stenchymouse:
UofL probably has more talent already in their program so all they need to do is keep bringing in decent classes.

We still need a few more redshirted classes to catch up...

In a few more years, we'll pass them up in talent I believe.

Not any more...we are there now, would look for a win at Commonwealth...would be extremely disappointed to lose to them this year.

 

[KapitalCat]

Originally posted by stenchymouse:
UofL probably has more talent already in their program so all they need to do is keep bringing in decent classes.

We still need a few more redshirted classes to catch up...

In a few more years, we'll pass them up in talent I believe.

No doubt the gap is closing. A few years ago they just played with us and Charlie didn't play Bridgewater in the 4th quarter. Last year at their place, it looked to me we were even on both sides of the ball with the biggest difference being QB play. Bolin may have played the best game he will ever play and we were running the ball late because the OC didn't trust the QB to make an accurate throw.

The one thing with a Petrino team that has to always be factored in are the transfers. He has some good ones coming in. If we can get Love (Nebraska transfer) eligible that will help us quite a bit.

 

[DSmith21]

Originally posted by KapitalCat:

No doubt the gap is closing. A few years ago they just played with us and Charlie didn't play Bridgewater in the 4th quarter. Last year at their place, it looked to me we were even on both sides of the ball with the biggest difference being QB play. Bolin may have played the best game he will ever play and we were running the ball late because the OC didn't trust the QB to make an accurate throw.

The biggest difference in that game was Devante Parker and not Bolin. Every time Bolin got in trouble he just threw a catchable ball in the vicinity of Parker and he would make a play and rack up big yards after the catch.

As for recruiting, if we regularly finish in the top 30, we will have the talent to compete in the SEC. That doesn't mean win the league but be a threat against anyone especially at home.

 

[gamalielkid]

I would hope we never compare our football recruits to UL again after this year. If we are, then we are not gaining ground in the SEC. However, I agree and believe our class will end up about where it is. Several teams below us look like they will move ahead of us, people not only have to look at who we are behind but also who we are ahead of. Florida will probably end up ahead of us, even though they currently rank 99th or so. I wouldn't be surprised to see Florida end up with at least 2 5 star's and several 4 stars by signing day.

If we can recruit classes ranked 30th or lower every year, we will have very good teams. Obviously talent is necessary to win big.

Go Big Blue!

 

[KapitalCat]

Originally posted by DSmith21:

Originally posted by KapitalCat:

No doubt the gap is closing. A few years ago they just played with us and Charlie didn't play Bridgewater in the 4th quarter. Last year at their place, it looked to me we were even on both sides of the ball with the biggest difference being QB play. Bolin may have played the best game he will ever play and we were running the ball late because the OC didn't trust the QB to make an accurate throw.

The biggest difference in that game was Devante Parker and not Bolin. Every time Bolin got in trouble he just threw a catchable ball in the vicinity of Parker and he would make a play and rack up big yards after the catch.

As for recruiting, if we regularly finish in the top 30, we will have the talent to compete in the SEC. That doesn't mean win the league but be a threat against anyone especially at home.

That's a good point. Parker had 6 receptions for 181 yards and a lot of those were when he just went up and got them and beat our DB's. He's really good.

I'll be glad for the day when comparing our classes to UofL's is moot. We really need to compare our classes to UT, Georgia, South Carolina, etc....

This post was edited on 1/23 8:01 AM by KapitalCat

 

[JHB4UK]

Originally posted by Poetax:
Yeah I don't think that ul looks at instate recruits like we do.

Of course they don't, since instate kids simply do not want to play football for UL. They would rather go to UK or leave the state for another D-1 program rather than attend UL.

Only one exception, the precious few D-1 recruitable athletes produced by the Recruiting Academy on Shelbyville Rd in St. Matthews.

And if anyone here doesnt think the talent gap between UK & UL has been erased by Stoops in less than 2 years, then I can only conclude you simply did not watch the game between the 2 teams 2 months ago.

 

[Smashcat]

Originally posted by CatsFanGG24:

Originally posted by stenchymouse:
UofL probably has more talent already in their program so all they need to do is keep bringing in decent classes.

We still need a few more redshirted classes to catch up...

In a few more years, we'll pass them up in talent I believe.

Not any more...we are there now, would look for a win at Commonwealth...would be extremely disappointed to lose to them this year.

Agree. No excuses.

 

[cats2010]

Originally posted by KapitalCat:

Originally posted by DSmith21:

Originally posted by KapitalCat:


No doubt the gap is closing. A few years ago they just played with us and Charlie didn't play Bridgewater in the 4th quarter. Last year at their place, it looked to me we were even on both sides of the ball with the biggest difference being QB play. Bolin may have played the best game he will ever play and we were running the ball late because the OC didn't trust the QB to make an accurate throw.

The biggest difference in that game was Devante Parker and not Bolin. Every time Bolin got in trouble he just threw a catchable ball in the vicinity of Parker and he would make a play and rack up big yards after the catch.

As for recruiting, if we regularly finish in the top 30, we will have the talent to compete in the SEC. That doesn't mean win the league but be a threat against anyone especially at home.

That's a good point. Parker had 6 receptions for 181 yards and a lot of those were when he just went up and got them and beat our DB's. He's really good.

I'll be glad for the day when comparing our classes to UofL's is moot. We really need to compare our classes to UT, Georgia, South Carolina, etc....


This post was edited on 1/23 8:01 AM by KapitalCat

Actually don't agree with this point at all. Bonnafon also had Parker to throw the ball too and UofL did not come close to scoring while he was in there. Bolin was effective from the very first snap he took. True Parker made some big plays in this game but Bolin had 15 other passes he completed to a WR not named Parker. The difference in this game was Bolin more so than it was Parker as the general consensus amongst UofL fans and UK fans alike is if RB QB's the whole game UK probably wins.

 

[KapitalCat]

Originally posted by cats2010:

Originally posted by KapitalCat:

Originally posted by DSmith21:

Originally posted by KapitalCat:


No doubt the gap is closing. A few years ago they just played with us and Charlie didn't play Bridgewater in the 4th quarter. Last year at their place, it looked to me we were even on both sides of the ball with the biggest difference being QB play. Bolin may have played the best game he will ever play and we were running the ball late because the OC didn't trust the QB to make an accurate throw.

The biggest difference in that game was Devante Parker and not Bolin. Every time Bolin got in trouble he just threw a catchable ball in the vicinity of Parker and he would make a play and rack up big yards after the catch.

As for recruiting, if we regularly finish in the top 30, we will have the talent to compete in the SEC. That doesn't mean win the league but be a threat against anyone especially at home.

That's a good point. Parker had 6 receptions for 181 yards and a lot of those were when he just went up and got them and beat our DB's. He's really good.

I'll be glad for the day when comparing our classes to UofL's is moot. We really need to compare our classes to UT, Georgia, South Carolina, etc....


This post was edited on 1/23 8:01 AM by KapitalCat

Actually don't agree with this point at all. Bonnafon also had Parker to throw the ball too and UofL did not come close to scoring while he was in there. Bolin was effective from the very first snap he took. True Parker made some big plays in this game but Bolin had 15 other passes he completed to a WR not named Parker. The difference in this game was Bolin more so than it was Parker as the general consensus amongst UofL fans and UK fans alike is if RB QB's the whole game UK probably wins.

Half of Bolins passing yards went to Parker while only 20 percent of the catches went to Parker. All of Bolins TD passes went to Parker. Bolins is a much better passer than Bonnafon and quite frankly if he doesn't get hurt..I think we win. Bolin did a great job...no doubt and he deserves a lot of credit. But IMO...Had Bolin started and Parker did not play...we win that game by two TD's.

 

[DSmith21]

Bolin played a very good game in relief of Bonafon (who only throw 4 passes before being injured). However, Parker scored 3 back breaking TDs (one 33 Yards and two 45 Yard plays). We tried to play man coverage on him and Parker made us pay. All Bolin had to do is get put the ball in the area of him so he could make a play. Parker was the difference in the game. I am glad that he won't be there next year. In fact, neither will 5 out of 6 of their top WRs and their starting TE.

This post was edited on 1/23 12:00 PM by DSmith21

https://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=400547785

 

[UKWinsAgainYep]

we can't even beat UL in recruiting and we expect to compete in the SEC. Am I missing something? How is this possible?

 

[KapitalCat]

Originally posted by UKWinsAgainYep:
we can't even beat UL in recruiting and we expect to compete in the SEC. Am I missing something? How is this possible?

You trolling bro?

We have out recruited them the past two years and when the dust settles we will have a higher ranked class this year.

 

[Shavers48]

Tied?? I thought Petrino couldn't recruit.

 

[KapitalCat]

Originally posted by Shavers48:
Tied?? I thought Petrino couldn't recruit.

He's always been a good recruiter. He recruits good solid classes and mixes in 4 star transfers. He will always have a good roster. But if we keep bringing in classes with more 4 star guys and high 3 star guys we will all be turning our focus to recruiting better against the SEC and not worry as much about UofL's recruiting.

 

[jauk11]

Originally posted by Shavers48:
Tied?? I thought Petrino couldn't recruit.

BP is not a good recruiter, he makes up for it with the tricks that he learned from jurich, mostly taking transfers AND commits no real University of higher learning would accept, AND signing THIRTY FOUR commits at WKU and in the thirties at his previous temporary stops for his tryouts. With TWO consecutive BCS bowl wins at Arkansas, talk of a NC, and a FOUR HUNDRED MILLION dollar athletic facilities upgrade in progress, he signed TWO four star commits in his last class there, both 5.8s, which was BEFORE the chit hit the fan. How is their new coach doing with recruiting? That reminds me of Strong turning down the TU job because he couldn't take hurtt with him, how are they doing recruiting without hurtt?

When you compare UL's record the past three years to UK's and the difference in their standards and ours his recruiting has been dismal, the SEVEN JC commits are only one indication, the lack of commits from the elite Kentucky players that are close enough to their program to see what they are doing is another. They are going to compete in the ACC with FSU having a class that AVERAGES way above a four star, Clemson that was averaging a four star, etc, with a class that has ONE four star in it? Great OC, I will give him that, a magician, no.

Sorry, comparing UK's recruiting to TU's (they cheat too, how they got started, and UK is scared of their shadow even though the NCAA has proven to be totally impotent) and some of the other elite SEC programs now would be an exercise in futility, but MOST of the other teams in the nation have the same problem.

We need to stay the course and keep improving, mostly on the field, this staff has done wonders with a dismal record, I can't wait until we start winning our share..

 

[sluggercatfan]

Originally posted by DSmith21:

Originally posted by KapitalCat:


No doubt the gap is closing. A few years ago they just played with us and Charlie didn't play Bridgewater in the 4th quarter. Last year at their place, it looked to me we were even on both sides of the ball with the biggest difference being QB play. Bolin may have played the best game he will ever play and we were running the ball late because the OC didn't trust the QB to make an accurate throw.

The biggest difference in that game was Devante Parker and not Bolin. Every time Bolin got in trouble he just threw a catchable ball in the vicinity of Parker and he would make a play and rack up big yards after the catch.

As for recruiting, if we regularly finish in the top 30, we will have the talent to compete in the SEC. That doesn't mean win the league but be a threat against anyone especially at home.

Here is a factual statement for me that I have told ALL my epu friends that would listen...IF YOU DID NOT have Devante Parker this year you DO NOT WIN!!!...PERIOD

 

[Rhavicc]

Originally posted by KapitalCat:

Originally posted by UKWinsAgainYep:
we can't even beat UL in recruiting and we expect to compete in the SEC. Am I missing something? How is this possible?

You trolling bro?

We have out recruited them the past two years and when the dust settles we will have a higher ranked class this year.

Probably a Lulzville fan.
For the record though, Lulzville fan, TCU seemed to do pretty well against the SEC. Check their past couple of recruiting rankings
Check Oregon's too. Or Wisconsin. WVU did pretty solid against the Bammers, check them out. List continues.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Originally posted by stenchymouse:
UofL probably has more talent already in their program so all they need to do is keep bringing in decent classes.

We still need a few more redshirted classes to catch up...

In a few more years, we'll pass them up in talent I believe.

Once again...IF they don't have Parker ...we win this year and except for a wide open int that was dropped that would have gone for a long gainer we win this year...

This post was edited on 1/23 11:41 PM by sluggercatfan

 

[smackcats]

Beat UL...Talk Smack. Until we do that, we'really just bloviating!

 

[kycatsphan]

Why in the world we tried to play man on him is beyond me. No since in it. Parker was easily the most offensive talented player on the field that day. No reason not to bracket him.

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

Amazed that K-State can be compete at a high level with walkons starting.
Top recruits help but without development it doesn't matter. ALA Texas lately.

 

[KapitalCat]

Originally posted by Free_Salato_Blue:


Amazed that K-State can be compete at a high level with walkons starting.
Top recruits help but without development it doesn't matter. ALA Texas lately.

Absolutely. You have to be able to develop both football skills and strength and conditioning. They also do a great job of evaluating recruits. Bill Snyder and the staff he puts together is one of the best at this aspect plus they are great game players. They recruit pretty well every year, but they rarely have a top 25 class yet they win.

After Snyder retired Ron Prince continued to recruit like Snyder..good but not great classes. He went 17-20 and 9-15 in conference. Snyder returns and they immediately win again.

This post was edited on 1/24 6:49 AM by KapitalCat

 

[stenchymouse]

Originally posted by sluggercatfan:

Originally posted by stenchymouse:
UofL probably has more talent already in their program so all they need to do is keep bringing in decent classes.

We still need a few more redshirted classes to catch up...

In a few more years, we'll pass them up in talent I believe.

Once again...IF they don't have Parker ...we win this year and except for a wide open int that was dropped that would have gone for a long gainer we win this year...

This post was edited on 1/23 11:41 PM by sluggercatfan

The reason for my comment is that since Strong came to UofL, they have been able to redshirt most of their freshmen whereas it seems that we are always having to play our true freshmen.

Stoops has been trying to change this but we're still seeing a lot of true freshmen on the field.

We definitely were close to UofL in regards to athletes last year other than Parker but our kids were just younger.

A few more solid classes that are able to be redshirted will make a huge difference for us!!

 

[sluggercatfan]

Originally posted by stenchymouse:

Originally posted by sluggercatfan:

Originally posted by stenchymouse:
UofL probably has more talent already in their program so all they need to do is keep bringing in decent classes.

We still need a few more redshirted classes to catch up...

In a few more years, we'll pass them up in talent I believe.

Once again...IF they don't have Parker ...we win this year and except for a wide open int that was dropped that would have gone for a long gainer we win this year...

This post was edited on 1/23 11:41 PM by sluggercatfan

The reason for my comment is that since Strong came to UofL, they have been able to redshirt most of their freshmen whereas it seems that we are always having to play our true freshmen.

Stoops has been trying to change this but we're still seeing a lot of true freshmen on the field.

We definitely were close to UofL in regards to athletes last year other than Parker but our kids were just younger.

A few more solid classes that are able to be redshirted will make a huge difference for us!!

SM...I hope(think) that we will see that difference starting this year

 

[murpack]

The true stat to look at is the Cards are sixth in their 14 team conference in recruiting and the Cats rank 12th in their 14 team conference. It is what it is.

 

[hmt5000]

Originally posted by Poetax:

Originally posted by USMC Cat:
Win 7-8 games, and the recruits will come.

Beat UL, and we will land an even larger share of the (few) top recruits in KY.

Yeah I don't think that ul looks at instate recruits like we do. Even with bad years we seem to do well against ul for Kentucky kids.

the only in state kids they recruit are future hall of famers. we recruit the ones who arent as good as 2* florida talent. i know what your thinking and the answer is.... they just know!

 

[sluggercatfan]

Originally posted by hmt5000:

Originally posted by Poetax:

Originally posted by USMC Cat:
Win 7-8 games, and the recruits will come.

Beat UL, and we will land an even larger share of the (few) top recruits in KY.

Yeah I don't think that ul looks at instate recruits like we do. Even with bad years we seem to do well against ul for Kentucky kids.

the only in state kids they recruit are future hall of famers. we recruit the ones who arent as good as 2* florida talent. i know what your thinking and the answer is.... they just know!

And just who are these future hofers you are talking about?...

 

[maverick1rw]

Originally posted by un4getables:

Originally posted by USMC Cat:
Win 7-8 games, and the recruits will come.

Beat UL, and we will land an even larger share of the (few) top recruits in KY.

The last time I checked we have gotten ALL the top football talent in Kentucky since Stoops has been here with the exception of Harris.......

Majority but not all. James Quick is pretty good

 

[jauk11]

Originally posted by murpack:
The true stat to look at is the Cards are sixth in their 14 team conference in recruiting and the Cats rank 12th in their 14 team conference. It is what it is.

LOL, UK plays in the SEC, which has OVER half of the top fifteen recruiting classes, eight, while the ACC has TWO of the top fifteen. But those two are WAY above UL in recruiting, Clemson has THREE five stars and FSU FIVE five stars while UL has one FOUR STAR, a 5.8. FSU's whole class averages a 5.850 while Clemson also AVERAGES more than a four star. I think both are in UL's division, they have about as much chance of winning the ACC as UK does the SEC next year, and we shoud get closer in the future while they fall farther behind.

Besides, UL is now tied with powerhouse NCS (as well as UK) for sixth in the ACC, and NCS has two less commits and FIVE four stars to UL's one, no way they don't finish above UL.

And yes, jurich and co use every shady trick in the book, recruiting transfers (AND recruits) no one else will touch, and BP has had over thirty commits for his tryouts at all three of his college stops, seems like he is having trouble the past two years at UL filling up his classes, the class average dropped from a 5.612 to about a 5.565 when he replaced the TWELVE Strong commits that de-committed from UL when he took over AND taking seven JCs (so far) this year.

Atrocious recruiting at Arkansas his last class coming off TWO BCS bowl wins and talk of a NC AND with a $400,000,000 athletic facilities upgrade already started, he signed only TWO four stars (the class signed BEFORE the chit hit the fan) in his last class there, and both were 5.8s. How is the new guy doing there now?

 

[CatPatrick]

I think ESPN has us at 30th and UL at 36

 

[Kampus Korner]

We are now tied for 31'st with Louisville and North Carolina State but still behind 11 other SEC football programs.