Look at the boxscore. You will see that nearly every stat line is even. On FGs we outscored UT 59-54. We had one less rebound. I will say there were probably some rebounds that turned into fouls. There were a couple of recorded TO's for us that should have been fouls on UT. It all came down to the charity stipe. FGs and FTs are the only two ways to score in basketball. I personally believe that even if we hit all our FT including the 1and1s there is a good possibility we still lose this game.
To those who think we got outplayed....
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UT has a negative rebounding margin and we have one of the better rebounding margins in the country. No way they should have outrebounded us by one. They wanted it more plain and simple. Officiating was poor but the more aggressive team usually gets the benefit of the calls, especially in Knoxville. Just like Auburn, there is no excuse for losing to this UT team. They wanted it more and they got it.
They definitely out played us. They aren't nearly as talented as we are, came back from a 21 point deficit, and won the damn game.
At the end of the day it's a really bad loss. No ones going to go back and judge our record on FTs given up to the other team or fouls called at inopportune times.
I'm not sure why anyone is trying to justify a really bad loss with the mindset that we got hosed. Are you trying to make yourself feel better about the obvious holes in this team? It's not gonna work. The only thing that will work is positive results, with or without officiating concerns.
We lost. They played better than us. That shouldn't happen but it did, and they're rewarded with W.
I'm not sure why anyone is trying to justify a really bad loss with the mindset that we got hosed. Are you trying to make yourself feel better about the obvious holes in this team? It's not gonna work. The only thing that will work is positive results, with or without officiating concerns.
We lost. They played better than us. That shouldn't happen but it did, and they're rewarded with W.
You are right. Absolutely no reason to lose this game. I do hope Cal will start fighting for these kids on the officiating if this stuff continues. I have seen some truly unbelievable calls these past few games.
My point is this that the way we are scoring offensively if the game is called evenly we win each of our last three losses. When we get to tournament play we are probably not going to see one team shoot 30 FT's while the other shoots 18. In every true road game we have lost the home team shot 30+ FT's while UK shoots substantially less. In our two road wins the FT disparity was non existent. These last three teams that we have lost to on the road have needed more FT's to beat UK. It's just hart to believe especially teams like Auburn and UT don't apparently foul as much as UK is fouling buy Alabama and Arkansas apparently do.
Also when we played at Alabama and Arkansas the FT disparitywas non existent. We won both of those games pretty convincingly. Both of those games were called pretty even. most definitely these last two games have been called very uneven. You may ask how does one lose a 21 point lead to a sub .500 team? First off in the last 5 minutes there were at least 5 time UT most definitely should have been called for a foul but ended up forcing a TO and scoring. Also at least 6 of their FTs were on flaky weak foul calls. You are looking at about a 12 point differential right there. Sure this team has its problems. Why is it when we get a fair whistle on the road we win but in the last three games we lose whe the foul differential is very significant?
in their "run" to end the half, where they closed a 21 point lead to 6 in about 5 minutes, they shot 13 free throws
15 point makeup, 13 free throws
15 point makeup, 13 free throws
It's hard to argue we are such a good team but the refs kill us EVERY game.
It definitely happens at times, but this is becoming a trend and that is on us.
It definitely happens at times, but this is becoming a trend and that is on us.
We got outplayed big time, Ky played no defense, and when they caught up, Ky just looks loss.
not much
still, it's hard to counter almost 3 FTA per minute from the other team
I can't believe what I'm seeing with these foul calls. In our last 3 losses it seems the other team gets a call every time they have the ball on offense. Our guys keep fouling out. I know a good percentage of the fouls are warranted but some of these fouls are called 30' from the basket and never effected the play.
Now you watch, when UT comes to Rupp the fouls will be called completely different. Why is that?
When UK goes to Vandy we are going to get a whistle that makes last night look fair.
But our effort after we got up by 21 was poor at best. I think this was a situation where the team was still mentally and physically exhausted from the KU game. Hopefully they snap out of it.
Now you watch, when UT comes to Rupp the fouls will be called completely different. Why is that?
When UK goes to Vandy we are going to get a whistle that makes last night look fair.
But our effort after we got up by 21 was poor at best. I think this was a situation where the team was still mentally and physically exhausted from the KU game. Hopefully they snap out of it.
We built up our stats the first 12-15 mintues, they owned the last 25-28 minutes.
They did out rebound us (even if only by 1) and that is not acceptable. But a lot of their offensive rebounds were long ones, which are 50/50 balls.
You could just tell they wanted it more.
I don't care about the stats. I know what my eyes tell me, and they clearly tell me that UT out played us, out hustled us, and wanted to win the game more than we did. We crumbled.
UT played no better than we did. They got the whistle and we didn't. They were shoving our players into their teammates and we were the ones getting the fouls. Several no calls and TOs for us in the first half turned into points on the other end for UT. You can't beat the whistle.
Just because you run at the basket full steam doesn't mean you should get a foul called. That also doesn't equate to trying harder
Poythress scored 10 points in the first 10 minutes. Was on his way to a monster game and UKs offense was clicking. Then he picked up his second foul. At that point UK led by 19. Not hard to see what happened after that. It's very hard for him to play his game when he doesn't know what is going to be called and what isn't. When he goes out UK loses a ton both offensively and defensively.
Their best play in the second half was drive into somebody's chest and wait for the whistle. Many of those calls were total jokes. There were videos all over Twitter last night of all the ridiculous calls.
Karl Hess last night, Doug Shows vs. Kansas.
On UTs offensive end in the second half Hawkins gets flat out run over and put on the ground by an offensive player then no more than a few seconds later the call some ticky tack foul. So the refs didn't see Hawkins get plowed to the floor but they can see one of our players barely tap a shooter?
A lot of anticipatory fouls in CBB now. Pretty much jump into guys and you will get a call. It is a mess.
You take away just some of those bogus fouls and give the no call fouls and our stat line gets better. We get more rebounds and less TOs. One of Poythress's TOs was the UT defender bumping him from behind while he was trying to gain his footing. Another TO was the no call with Murray driving to the basket. Willis had a rebound until the official decided to call that foul on Briscoe under the basket. We had more points from FGs than they did. It came down to who hit the most FTs. I've said this before and I will say it again. Even if we hit all our FTs and 1and1's we might have still lost.
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Add in phantom calls on Briscoe and Tyler and Alex getting blatantly thrown to the floor with a no call.
Add in phantom calls on Briscoe and Tyler and Alex getting blatantly thrown to the floor with a no call.
UT's pace to end the first half on their "run" would be equal to 83 total points in a half versus UK's pace during this same time period of 29. (IMO) This is not only poor offense, very poor defense and also other factors (refs whistle).
There were also two small "runs" in the 2nd half by UT where they out scored UK by a margin of 17-1 that hurt (12:34-7:05, UK up 4 to down by 5) and (5:16-3:27, tied to down by 7). UK has to have someone in games like this who can make a play to break up these extended droughts.
Maybe if our guards could keep their guards out of the lane then we would not foul so much and give the other team so many FT's and foul out all our bigs. When you play on some one else's court you always go in knowing they will have a 10 point edge that you will have to make up. The Cats cannot seem to make up that differential.
It's great to be optimistic, but their are some harsh realities to face...
Lee and Poythress are the same players today that they were when they arrived on campus. They are tremendous athletes who happen to play basketball...they are not basketball PLAYERS.
I cringe every time someone drives at Lee. Yes, every once in a while he has a block where he knocks the ball out of bounds, giving it back to the opponent, but more often than not he jumps up and swings his arms like a wind turbine resulting in a stupid foul when you're nearly 7' tall.
You can expect teams from here on out to drive against us early knowing those two will foul nearly every time, and then the opposing team can enjoy the benefits of playing against no true big men for much of the second half. Basically the reverse of what KU did to us.
It really begs the question as to what's wrong with Wynyard and Humphries. I don't understand that if they're THAT bad in practice that they can't be trusted to give us more than what we're currently getting from our frontcourt, why are they on scholarship at UK?
Lee and Poythress are the same players today that they were when they arrived on campus. They are tremendous athletes who happen to play basketball...they are not basketball PLAYERS.
I cringe every time someone drives at Lee. Yes, every once in a while he has a block where he knocks the ball out of bounds, giving it back to the opponent, but more often than not he jumps up and swings his arms like a wind turbine resulting in a stupid foul when you're nearly 7' tall.
You can expect teams from here on out to drive against us early knowing those two will foul nearly every time, and then the opposing team can enjoy the benefits of playing against no true big men for much of the second half. Basically the reverse of what KU did to us.
It really begs the question as to what's wrong with Wynyard and Humphries. I don't understand that if they're THAT bad in practice that they can't be trusted to give us more than what we're currently getting from our frontcourt, why are they on scholarship at UK?
Didn't remember this but the first 22-games of UK's season:
P.S. UK's record in Cal's other 3-years that he has been at UK for first 22-games: 64-2 (22-1).![[banana]](https://ct.yimg.com/mr/uploads/891/1682178.gif "banana [banana]")
- 2010/11 was 16-6 (4-4)
- 2012/13 was 16-6 (7-2)
- 2013/14 was 17-5 (7-2)
- 2015/16 is 16-6 (6-3)
P.S. UK's record in Cal's other 3-years that he has been at UK for first 22-games: 64-2 (22-1).
At times this team plays up to those expectations, they played well against Kansas in one of the most difficult places there is to play. But they have lapses where they seem lost on offense and really lost on defense.Didn't remember this but the first 22-games of UK's season:
I believe my own expectations for UK were too high this year, especially after the Duke game but I'm just trying to enjoy their learning process because I trust what's in the future.
- 2010/11 was 16-6 (4-4)
- 2012/13 was 16-6 (7-2)
- 2013/14 was 17-5 (7-2)
- 2015/16 is 16-6 (6-3)
P.S. UK's record in Cal's other 3-years that he has been at UK for first 22-games: 64-2 (22-1).
I have been looking for all of our so called "talent" all year and haven't found it yet.
We were outplayed badly after the first 10 minutes,probably as bad as I have seen a UK team outplayed in a while.There is no way to dance around that at all.There were some bad calls but we were playing a team with no one bigger than 6'5" and we couldn't go inside and get a basket? Briscoe felt the need to run away from a player with the ball and give up a lay-up,Murray gives up a dive to the basket on an inbounds play under the basket.
We give up a 21 point lead yet we debate if we were outplayed or not? I will continue to watch and cheer for UK as I have done for nearly 60 years but I have no expectations for this team. In most other years you go into each individual game expecting certain things depending on who you are playing such as, close game,expecting a win against sub.500 teams or maybe even a possible loss against a very good team. You have no idea what to expect with this team.We may even see games in which the team plays at drastically different skill,effort and teamwork levels within the same game.
This is a strange season and may get more weird before it is over
We give up a 21 point lead yet we debate if we were outplayed or not? I will continue to watch and cheer for UK as I have done for nearly 60 years but I have no expectations for this team. In most other years you go into each individual game expecting certain things depending on who you are playing such as, close game,expecting a win against sub.500 teams or maybe even a possible loss against a very good team. You have no idea what to expect with this team.We may even see games in which the team plays at drastically different skill,effort and teamwork levels within the same game.
This is a strange season and may get more weird before it is over
At that stage of the game with the score being what it was I think you contest the drive and make him think about the shot.
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