This reminds me of Cal's first year...

[Louis_Skunt]

Except all of you are so spoiled that you're used to a Miami Heat type lineup. UK has the best big guy, 2 incredible pg's, Poythress coming back, Marcus coming in off the bench loaded with energy and defense. I'm not saying its as loaded as last year, but 10 years ago 90% of you would already be hanging a banner. Many need a little perspective in your life. In 2011, UK didnt look so hot all season long, no high flyers and no John Wall, just a few good shooters and a JUCO....and Cats should have won the whole thing. UK is still going to have a great year...besides the NIT year, they were a shot away from winning a title EVERY SEASON.

 

[Aike]

Maybe Mulder will be a sober version of Darnell Dodson.

 

[Calsarmy]

Where are you seeing AP is coming back? Everyone wants him back but he has to my knowledge not said a word about it.

 

[NavyCatFan2012]

Originally posted by Aike:
Maybe Mulder will be a sober version of Darnell Dodson.

I spit out my beer on this comment!! LOL!!!

 

[BlueVoodoo]

Originally posted by NavyCatFan2012:

Originally posted by Aike:
Maybe Mulder will be a sober version of Darnell Dodson.

I spit out my beer on this comment!! LOL!!!

Beer @ 10am? Ewwww.

 

[anewfanatic]

Originally posted by BlueVoodoo:

Originally posted by NavyCatFan2012:

Originally posted by Aike:
Maybe Mulder will be a sober version of Darnell Dodson.

I spit out my beer on this comment!! LOL!!!

Beer @ 10am? Ewwww.

Nice

 

[Aike]

Originally posted by Calsarmy:
Where are you seeing AP is coming back? Everyone wants him back but he has to my knowledge not said a word about it.

He's on the roster unless/until he declares. I realize we have turned old notions on their head these past few years, but we assuming he's back until we hear otherwise seems like the safe bet. Especially after the other 7 guys held a press conference to announce they were leaving. At this point, it would appear everyone anticipates the return of AP.

 

[Blueblood22]

Wall
Cousins
Patterson
Bledsoe

Vs.

Ulis
Briscoe
Skal
Poy

It's like Groundhog Day!

 

[bookerfan66]

Originally posted by Blueblood22:
Wall
Cousins
Patterson
Bledsoe

Vs.

Ulis
Briscoe
Skal
Poy

It's like Groundhog Day!

 

[UKCats2000]

Except this team does not have 3 NBA starters and 2 NBA all-stars.

 

[UKrazycat2]

Originally posted by BlueVoodoo:

Originally posted by NavyCatFan2012:

Originally posted by Aike:
Maybe Mulder will be a sober version of Darnell Dodson.

I spit out my beer on this comment!! LOL!!!

Beer @ 10am? Ewwww.

It's 5 o'clock somewhere.

 

[hangin#8]

I don't think its an insane comparison.

Wall/Ulis
Briscoe/Bledsoe
Patterson/Poythress
Cousins/Skal
Miller/Matthews
Orton/Lee
Dodson/Mulder

Not saying each of those players are comparable, but as far as depth and team makeup goes we aren't much different than that team. This honestly makes me feel better about our perceived depth issues. Once again, I'm not saying all these players are necessarily comparable as individuals, but from a team makeup standpoint I think this should talk some of the "NIT bound" crowd away from the ledge.

 

[WildMoon]

2010's team is the most physically gifted

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But, they are also one of the most unbalanced team we had. Zero shooting outside, when they were shooting they were the most unbeatable team in history of basketball.

But too bad, they couldn't shoot at all.

This team is more like 2012, but just not the talent.

 

[BBBLazing]

Originally posted by hangin#8:
I don't think its an insane comparison.

Wall/Ulis
Briscoe/Bledsoe
Patterson/Poythress
Cousins/Skal
Miller/Matthews
Orton/Lee
Dodson/Mulder

Not saying each of those players are comparable, but as far as depth and team makeup goes we aren't much different than that team. This honestly makes me feel better about our perceived depth issues. Once again, I'm not saying all these players are necessarily comparable as individuals, but from a team makeup standpoint I think this should talk some of the "NIT bound" crowd away from the ledge.

I didn't either until you lined them up next to each other. Now I do.

 

[Louis_Skunt]

Originally posted by UKCats2000:
Except this team does not have 3 NBA starters and 2 NBA all-stars.

Neither does Wisconsin.

 

[Louis_Skunt]

Originally posted by Blueblood22:
Wall
Cousins
Patterson
Bledsoe

Vs.

Ulis
Briscoe
Skal
Poy

It's like Groundhog Day!

The only comparison that seems off is the Wall/Ulis. And Ulis is 10 times the shooter Wall was, so its not that uneven. Especially when comparing players in college.

Skal looks better than Cousins at the same moment in the career.

Briscoe is ranked higher than Bledsoe and the same moment in the career.

I'll give Pat the edge over Poythress, but not that much.

Give me Marcus Lee and Hawkins coming off the bench over Dodson and Stevenson.

 

[Aike]

Skal = Future NBA starter, possible All-Star

Briscoe = Possible future NBA starter

Poy = NBA reserve

Matthews = NBA potential, too soon to tell

Ulis = NBA backup


That's my best guest for our best five as of now.

 

[Louis_Skunt]

When are you guys going to figure out that predicting where they will be in the NBA has ZERO effect on how they do in college? Possibly, UK's biggest stars in March are Liggins, Harrellson, Knight, Aaron Harrison, Wayne Turner, Jeff Sheperd, etc etc.. Judging UK's season on where they stand in the NBA or All Star game is completely inaccurate and worthless.

 

[bcox13]

Originally posted by BlueVoodoo:

Originally posted by NavyCatFan2012:

Originally posted by Aike:
Maybe Mulder will be a sober version of Darnell Dodson.

I spit out my beer on this comment!! LOL!!!

Beer @ 10am? Ewwww.

Can't drink all day if you don't start in the morning!!

OP, this year's team, or who we know will be on this year's team, couldn't be less similar than Cal's first year.

 

[ctharris07]

Good grief. People will tell themselves anything to feel better.

This is a good class but no where near 2010, 2012 or 2014.

Best comparison is 2011.

Knight - Ulis, both great pgs

Lamb - Mulder, assuming he can shoot as well as advertised.

Jones - Poythress, Jones much more skilled.

Harrelson - Skal, Skal much more skilled.

Miller - Briscoe, hardest one to compare. Different positions and styles. Hard to say who's better yet.

Liggins - Lee, very little offense but good defense.

Hawkins will be nice off the bench. If you expect something out of Willis, well, good luck.




Things go right this team has great potential. Things don't go right and they lose a lot of games. Just have to sit back and watch.

 

[Jkwo]

Originally posted by Louis_Skunt:

Originally posted by Blueblood22:
Wall
Cousins
Patterson
Bledsoe

Vs.

Ulis
Briscoe
Skal
Poy

It's like Groundhog Day!

The only comparison that seems off is the Wall/Ulis. And Ulis is 10 times the shooter Wall was, so its not that uneven. Especially when comparing players in college.

Skal looks better than Cousins at the same moment in the career.

Briscoe is ranked higher than Bledsoe and the same moment in the career.

I'll give Pat the edge over Poythress, but not that much.

Give me Marcus Lee and Hawkins coming off the bench over Dodson and Stevenson.

I agree with you on Lee and Hawkins. As far as Ulis/Wall, I think that one is incredibly close, actually, as far as strictly college production goes. Soph Ulis vs freshman Wall would be very similar level as D1 players, imo.

I don't know if Skal looks better than Cousins. Skal looks like a superhero, but Cuz destroyed worlds in high school and in college and now is doing it in the pros. He was our best player that year if not for foul trouble.

Briscoe is ranked higher than Bledsoe, but Bledsoe was on a meteoric rise toward the end of the season. He was criminally underscouted and underranked (was a mid-low four star until fairly late) and then people started to catch on. I think that matchup is pretty even as freshmen.
Briscoe is a so-so athlete among 4/5 star prospects, while Bledsoe is a freak in every way by NBA standards. Both are inconsistent shooters, Briscoe has crazy handles. I dunno, we'll see.

I'd give Pat a pretty big edge over Poythress, because above all else, Pat was always productive. He got his shot blocked way too often for a guy that strong, but every game you knew he'd give you something. If Poy had Pat's consistent fire, he'd be a lottery pick. I hope he is.

 

[ukmelanie]

Originally posted by ctharris07:
Good grief. People will tell themselves anything to feel better.

This is a good class but no where near 2010, 2012 or 2014.

Best comparison is 2011.

Knight - Ulis, both great pgs

Lamb - Mulder, assuming he can shoot as well as advertised.

Jones - Poythress, Jones much more skilled.

Harrelson - Skal, Skal much more skilled.

Miller - Briscoe, hardest one to compare. Different positions and styles. Hard to say who's better yet.

Liggins - Lee, very little offense but good defense.

Hawkins will be nice off the bench. If you expect something out of Willis, well, good luck.




Things go right this team has great potential. Things don't go right and they lose a lot of games. Just have to sit back and watch.

This makes more sense to me.Next season compares very well to this group.

 

[hotelblue]

the thing with the fans is this i believe, logically. cal had absolutely insane recruiting classes in '09, '10, '13. he did every year but the similarities of mass exodus are visible in these 4 specific years (this year included). the years we got 5-7 new guys.

in 09 - already had liggins, miller, patterson
and add orton, bledsoe, cousins, wall, dodson, hood
question mark: shooting, experience

in 10 - already had liggins, miller, harrelson
and add kanter(!), knight, jones, lamb, polson, vargas, poole
question mark: experience

in 13 - already had poythress, cauley-stein
and add aaron, andrew, randle, lee, young, johnson, willis
question mark: experience, quickness

in 15 - already have ulis, lee and possibly poythress (he and diallo could be a swop)
and add skal, briscoe, mathews, mulder...
question mark: none glaring if we sign 1-2 more studs. our pg is jet quick, doesn't turn it over and has ff experience. we've not had that yet guys. I love the harrison's and they tried to curtail their games, especially andrew, but they are scorers. really though ulis alone erases a lot of question marks.

so fans think logically we're missing two pieces. cal seems to feel the same way. i expect cal thinks he'll get one and have someone else ready if we aren't so fortunate to possibly get two. we are going to be right there again. maybe not 35 wins in an improved conference coming off 21-0 (lol), but talent wise capable of winning the title.

there will be questions about our shooting but i will want to see how they fair the first few showings during the season when we will have some big games. i'm feeling pretty optimistic on that actually. ulis will get an extra two attempts up just on playing time. I'm not so sure our % won't be better than last year, as possibly out side of newman we don't have volume shooters. we didn't have them in '11 either except for maybe knight. what '11 did have was miller in lamb, who over the course of the game if you left then open would hit the the shot. ulis can do that. who that other guy will be remains to be seen.

 

[SilentsAreGolden]

I would not be upset at having a go with less talent than last year, as it was loaded, but I think the more talent the better. Just has to be the right talent. It's hard work finding the right mix. I think Duke lucked out this season in doing so. You need the right mix of returning talent and incoming talent. Ulis and Poythress should get significant minutes, and Lee will probably get a little more than he did this past season. That's a decent amount of experience, and if we add Mulder, that's someone else with two years experience outside of HS. Not D-1 experience, but better than nothing.

The key is going to be who we get coming in. Briscoe and Labissiere are solid and should have no problems blending in. Matthews looks to be a bench wing, who will have every chance to contribute. But getting a true wing to start is key I think. Getting Ingram or Brown would be huge, but if we miss on both, the 3 spot will be a weakness, and outside scoring could be an area of concern. If Mulder and Matthews turn out to be reliable shooters, then it shouldn't be. Lastly, if we get Diallo, I think we are a serious contender. Diallo and Ingram or Brown and we are Top 5 right away.