This is the Marcus Lee that we need
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We also need posters with a brain, but I guess we'll just have to keeping hoping.
Lee is not the first big guy to be a terrible FT shooter. Terrible FT shooters are not, in fact, a recent phenomenon. But I guess you're right- if Lee develops into a 10 ppg, 7 rebound, 2 block guy, it won't matter one bit if he only hits 50% of his FT's.
nice gesture op. he basically already does that stuff. he just needs pt. and to practice shooting. to not be a liability for free throws would be huge in itself. no doubt he is our effort guy. at least there's no doubt in my mind. he was probably our most efficient player down the stretch last year playing like 4 minutes a game lol. love his energy. can't wait to see him break out in a steady role year.
Marcus lee,Alex,and Skal are the names that were used to get diallo.... And i believe that! (Bash away)
Between the 4-5 position you have 80 min. 25-28 min per player leaves only 5 min...alex might switch to the 3 for 10 min.a game which leaves 15 min.max...
I will also say Matthews will suprise a lot of people.. Lee will be good,skal will be GREAT! Alex will be the best you have seen up to this point..
Cal doesn't want to platoon again.. You are looking at a 2011 type team and Cal likes it.. He is looking for 1 more but not a must like some make it out to be.
Who was Harrellson before 2011?? Lack of playing time hurt this 2015 team.. 25-28 min per game and these guy's will develope into a very tough out in march..
P.S. 2016-2017 i'm more worried.. 2016 class better be loaded.. Skal,Lee,Alex,Brisco, Possibly Matthews... Before you dice matthews remember what you were saying about booker last year this time!!! Peace...
Look at KU's roster, they will have I believe had 6 guys in their front court before Diallo committed.
Also to the other guys I think Lee averaged around 20 rebounds 18 points and 7 blocks a game in HS. That is the Lee we need.
Oh OK. I didn't know we were throwing in the rest of the roster in this Lee's free throw shooting topic.
It's not, it's Poythress. The guy who plays Lee's position. The guy who can shoot free throws well, as a PF, at the end of games. Lee can produce plenty, but he needs to continually work. Lucky for us, an interview is going on with the returning players as we speak, and Lee's exact words were "I haven't left this place (The Joe Craft Center) since we've gotten back".
So there you have it.
I'm rooting for Lee, and I believe he can be much improved this season. He added a little muscle and weight from his freshman to sophomore year, so there's no reason to believe he can't add a little more. Same with Willis.
It'll be interesting to see, but I'm rooting for them. This is their chance.
It'll be interesting to see, but I'm rooting for them. This is their chance.
At the press conference today, Marcus stated that he has been in the gym every day since the season ended. He knows that the opportunity to be a major contributor on this team is there for him.
He also stated that for the last 2 years he's heard the talk about a transfer and that he's still here. He knows that his time has finally come. I have confidence in his ability to improve his offensive production next season.
He also stated that for the last 2 years he's heard the talk about a transfer and that he's still here. He knows that his time has finally come. I have confidence in his ability to improve his offensive production next season.
I know..and i think we needed him and would have used him better than ku. i'm just telling you what was used...He think's he can beat out there guy's,and he might be right. We could have really used a bruiser...
If we needed a bruiser, then Diallo wasn't the guy, because that is not a bruiser.
Plays energetic, but he seems more finesse than power. Hell, Marcus Lee weighs more than he does, and Poythress is our big physical guy. Fits the billing better. Better athlete, stronger, bigger, etc.
His mixtapes are sick, but his lack of acumen,skill and bulk just murder him.
I'm honestly not expecting much out of him.
I'm honestly not expecting much out of him.
He's still bulkier, more experienced, and just as skilled as Diallo though, which everybody here blew their lid over once he committed to beaker U.
I don't get why people don't have any trust in a guy like lee!!! How many want to fail? He know's it's his time..
Just like harrellson,he will get better and better as the year goes on..Skal,lee,alex should be ok at the 4-5..
Matthews will IMO be a good 3 that can shoot.. But i'll feel better if we get another 3 like brown. but not a must....
Guard's ulis brisco,hawkin's will be good...Just like lee,the hawk could end up being very solid...I really like his fire/game..He will get better as a shooter...
P.S. we will be top 10 going into the tournament..If we get hot who know! I'm going to enjoy this team...
Diallo actually seems stronger, at a younger age.
Stop trying to compare him Diallo. This is the 2nd time you've done this. Diallo talent level blows Marcus out the water.
"At a younger age"
How does that benefit us next season? We need next year's version of Marcus, and we would have needed next year's version of Cheick Diallo. Next year's version of Marcus is the more experienced basketball player. Next year's version of Marcus is the more physically mature player. He's stronger than Cheick now, and he'll be stronger when the basketball season starts. We don't need prospects, we need players.
This isn't the 2nd time, this is about the 20th, and none of those 20 times could anybody tell me a valid reason why we absolutely needed to have Diallo, as opposed to Marcus, who has him edged out in two very, very important categories as a basketball player, and is equal to Diallo in terms of athleticism, basketball IQ, which is what Diallo could have brought to the team, because he's incredibly raw just like Marcus. If you have a raw athlete, why not have the one that is at least more physically matured, and can at least pass the ball well, which is something Cheick doesn't display well in his skillset.
What are you babbling about? I meant Diallo stronger RIGHT NOW…while also being younger.
Give me a frosh with elite talent over an experience PF who's been a disappointment.
you want valid reason why Diallo>>Marcus? Fine.
Lee is a deer in the headlights on the court with zero skill or awareness. His instincts don't appear to be sharp either.
Yes, Diallo is raw and isn't super-skilled, but he fills the stat sheet off instincts, motor and surprisingly good footwork. You seem to under rate IQ/Instincts/Awareness. Theres reasons why a ton of hyper-athletic HS prospects busts, and its usually because of they lack the qualities i listed.
The biggest reason why we needed a Diallo is for 5 fouls. Just need another body no matter who it is that is somewhat serviceable.
Look at how many times this season that we has Kat and another big in foul trouble in the first half and had 2 guys sit.
Say Lee and Skal are on the bench with foul problems or an injury which is more than likely bound to happen. Seems we are having nagging injuries every year.
I'm not comfortable with Poy playing center or Willis.
Look at how many times this season that we has Kat and another big in foul trouble in the first half and had 2 guys sit.
Say Lee and Skal are on the bench with foul problems or an injury which is more than likely bound to happen. Seems we are having nagging injuries every year.
I'm not comfortable with Poy playing center or Willis.
Diallo is certainly not stronger. He's about 5-10 pounds lighter than Lee right now, and Lee has 4% body fat. How is it humanly possible for Diallo to be more muscular? Strength builds mass, mass builds weight, Lee weighs more, and I don't think it's humanly possible to have much less body fat than Lee, and function well enough to be an athlete on any level.
He hasn't played enough to be a disappointment, and if you wanna give up on him, fine, that's on you. The consensus is against you though.
Diallo does not have good instincts by the way, the kid is a soccer player who just started playing basketball and hardly knows the ins and outs of basketball. The one thing he has on Lee is his motor, and I have no reason to believe that Lee isn't improving his drive and determination based on his comments of him not leaving the Joe Craft Center, and constantly practicing, since the final four loss.
Diallo has yet to have prove himself at the college level. Lee was putting up more staggering numbers against the level of competition that Diallo faced, than Diallo did.
This is really as far as it goes. 5 extra fouls, but in terms of offensive/defensive production, I wouldn't expect any more out of Diallo than we'll get out of Lee. That's why I really hope we get Kirk. It at least gives us another super athlete to put at either the small forward, or the power forward if needed.
Theres a different between strength and body weight. Also, if you knew anything about the human body, you would know 4% body fat is…not attainable. That will leave you in a BAD condition.
Instincts and IQ are two different things as well. Just because he hasn't played this game long has nothing to do with his instincts. Joel Embiid is a great example for this, as he was basically new to the game and displayed ELITE instincts.
Just stop. You're just making yourself look foolish at this point defending a former McDAA who's still living off 1 good game in his 2 seasons here.
Dude, we had 3 players last season who had just over 4% body weight. Lee, and both Harrison twins.
Strength comes from building muscle mass, if you have that little body weight, and that much weight, you have to have quite a bit of muscle. Diallo weighs 5-10 pounds less, and there's an incredibly slim chance that he has less body fat than Lee.
I don't think anybody made you an authority over our roster, nor do you determine what anybody's ceiling is. I see nothing that Diallo does that Lee can't do right now. Nothing at all. If Lee plays hard, we all know what he can do, but he's been playing behind Cauley-Stein, which I'm damn sure that Diallo would sit the bench for as well. Frankly, it really don't matter how much I buy in, or how little you do, Lee is going to do whatever he can do, and Diallo will do whatever he can do. Who can do better, and lead their teams further is yet to be determined, so we may talk about this a year from now.
I don't need anybody who's a known pessimist to tell me that I look foolish in my assessments though. You rarely post anything positive to this site. You spend 90% of your time b****ing about the players that we have, and b****ing about missing out on players. Pretty sure I've seen you do the same exact thing on the football board also. B***, nag, and complain about recruiting, and our roster.
Again, you have zero clue about the human body. Body fat calibers are not reliable, as they consistently produced exaggerated results.
Someone walking around with legit 4% body fat would drop to the ground. Its not healthy at all.
Lee had his chance to grab more mins during the 2nd half of the season, when Dakari hit rock-bottom, yet continually brought nothing.
Pls, im realistic and not blinded by my homerism. Catch me in any Ulis thread, you'll see me singing his praises because he deserves it. KAT last season got the same treatment from me because he played like a boss during the 2nd half.
But you'e not gonna find me hyping up players who really aren't good. I leave that to people like you & caneintally.
I've obviously struck a nerve.
Why?
Let's use WCS as an example. He took 3.2 free throws per game. Let's say Marcus Lee manages to match that next year. The difference between a Marcus Lee who hits 40% of his FT's vs one who hits 70% would be about a whopping .8 ppg.
Is it a good thing that a guy is a terrible FT shooter? Duh, no. But is it incredibly important that Marcus Lee become a competent FT shooter? No, and hell no. It's important that he consistently utilizes his athletic ability to get rebounds and block shots, and just generally make plays. And unless you failed 2nd grade math, and are also completely ignorant of basketball history, it's idiotic to act like his horrendous FT shooting somehow dooms him as a player.
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I agree with this, I love the kid but he has no offense other than a dunk. the OP's video proves that. His D and his Motor are fantastic but he has to give us more than a few dunks.
I agree that FT's are not the telling tale of how good a guy is but that guy will be out of the game when it gets close at the end and they are looking to foul someone.
As far as body fat goes....well if you get below 6 your gettin paper thin skin and at around 5.5 your getting some terrible cramps. Bodybuilders who diet down and even cut off water before a competition will get down to 3.5-4 and they can have heart attacks and die from it. I remember Tony Delk having huge cramping issues and a big topic by the announcers was talking about him havin to take some meds because of it. His body fat was 4.5 if I'm not mistaken while at UK.
If you ever hear of someone say somebody has 0% body fat then they are liars as only a dead mans bones are around that Much.
As far as body fat goes....well if you get below 6 your gettin paper thin skin and at around 5.5 your getting some terrible cramps. Bodybuilders who diet down and even cut off water before a competition will get down to 3.5-4 and they can have heart attacks and die from it. I remember Tony Delk having huge cramping issues and a big topic by the announcers was talking about him havin to take some meds because of it. His body fat was 4.5 if I'm not mistaken while at UK.
If you ever hear of someone say somebody has 0% body fat then they are liars as only a dead mans bones are around that Much.
Doing something at high school level and top collegiate level is night and day different.
What we need is a evolved version of Marcus Lee. Stronger, more fundamentally sound, and have good understanding of the game. So he can do the things you see on youtube highlight videos at college level.
It's much easier said than done.
What we need is a evolved version of Marcus Lee. Stronger, more fundamentally sound, and have good understanding of the game. So he can do the things you see on youtube highlight videos at college level.
It's much easier said than done.
That would be nice but 50% won't get it as a starter or 6th man. Cal won't play him at crunch time if he does that and we need him at that time of the game.
