Thiero

[GoCats-GoHerd88]

The HC decides on when a player will play again, yes.

You can try and twist this into a debate about the HC giving out medical diagnoses all you want lol.. that's not what you said. Do you understand how many players are cleared to practice, medically, but still don't play the games because the coach makes that call? That's exactly what happened to Bradshaw. He even said on his social media hes "not allowed" to say when he's coming back, as in, he's not making the call. And some UK trainer isn't making the call either.

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Haven't you gotten waxed enough in other threads to go delete your account yet?

You are seriously doubling down on Dr. Cal making that call…. 😂😂😂😂😂

Cal has never ever, not even one time said, “player A is healed from injury and ready to play now.”

You’re welcome to prove me wrong and show me an article or anything at all that suggests Cal has ever done that????

I’ll hear crickets, be called a name or be called one of Cal’s family members because you like to spew 💩 and not provide anything to back it up.

 

[GoCats-GoHerd88]

I’m just impressed that he’s responded to you multiple times now without calling you little fella or the like. Showing real growth on his part. Probably not but felt like throwing him a bone, all that teaching and coaching he’s doing has to be wearing him out.

Attention seeking use to be not so easy to notice, do better next time. It’s obvious you crave my attention and will do whatever you can to get me to look at you. Here you go, here’s you some attention little man. 😎

 

[cats2010]

Attention seeking use to be not so easy to notice, do better next time. It’s obvious you crave my attention and will do whatever you can to get me to look at you. Here you go, here’s you some attention little man. 😎

I wasn’t talking to you, but about you. If I was seeking your attention I would replied to one of your post. By the way you never responded to the poster who did want you to comment on the defensive adjustments cal made yesterday that we non coaches just didnt recognize.

 

[Mike-McD]

Imagine being an actual coach and having to read this garbage.

You do know Cal doesn’t make the decision on when a player comes back from injury, right? This isn’t HS basketball.

Derek Anderson and our missing title in 1997 say hi.

 

[TFCats11]

I’m not sure about when his back surgery appointment is, but he may be able to delay it since he was shown multiple times jumping up and down hip bumping his teammates during celebrations on Saturday.

And before the RR resident physicians tag me about “back injuries”, I’ve been a power lifter for most of my life, and I have forgotten more about back injuries than you and Thiero will ever know.

Spoiler alert: You ain’t doing jumping hip bumps my friends!

 

[DreadLox]

Indifference to another person's health and well-being has become a recurring theme in recent years.

 

[Boyd94]

Indifference to another person's health and well-being has become a recurring theme in recent years.

It's not indifference, it's the fact that any injury on our team takes 3 times as long to come back from. We're just trying to wrap our head around it. Is the trainers still working with blood letting or something?

 

[LineSkiCat14]

You are seriously doubling down on Dr. Cal making that call…. 😂😂😂😂😂

Cal has never ever, not even one time said, “player A is healed from injury and ready to play now.”

You’re welcome to prove me wrong and show me an article or anything at all that suggests Cal has ever done that????

I’ll hear crickets, be called a name or be called one of Cal’s family members because you like to spew 💩 and not provide anything to back it up.

Lmfao, I now provided SEVERAL links to back up my theories, you provided jack shit.

Cal makes the call on when a player comes back, the medical staff just give him the information on whether they think hes ready from a medical standpoint. How do you not understand this? This is literally how college and professional sports work. The team doctor isn't the one saying Thiero can't play, especially when he's on the team bench celebrating with his team. That's the coaches call, or sometimes the player.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I’m not sure about when his back surgery appointment is, but he may be able to delay it since he was shown multiple times jumping up and down hip bumping his teammates during celebrations on Saturday.

And before the RR resident physicians tag me about “back injuries”, I’ve been a power lifter for most of my life, and I have forgotten more about back injuries than you and Thiero will ever know.

Spoiler alert: You ain’t doing jumping hip bumps my friends!

I was curious about this as well, and if that's true, that's a problem.

A player has back spasms which can crop up at anytime, so we're giving him extra time to heal... and the staff is fine with him jumping around during the game? I'm not mad at Thiero for this, i get that he's excited.. but if I'm Cal or staff I am very strongly encouraging him to stay seated.

 

[UKortho]

When I've had them, it's because a nerve is being pinched. It's miserable and tight and all you can do is wait it out. But once it releases, it's like it never happened. So mine don't linger, but of course everyone is different.

Well said.

 

[UKortho]

You are seriously doubling down on Dr. Cal making that call…. 😂😂😂😂😂

Cal has never ever, not even one time said, “player A is healed from injury and ready to play now.”

You’re welcome to prove me wrong and show me an article or anything at all that suggests Cal has ever done that????

I’ll hear crickets, be called a name or be called one of Cal’s family members because you like to spew 💩 and not provide anything to back it up.

The most negative poster, on an alt account, is crying about being called a name. Grow up and stop being so sensitive on a message board. It will be ok.

 

[Cold Stout Beer]

Well said.

Lots of experience, unfortunately. They wanted to cut on me but luckily I figured out through research that all my back trouble is the result of psoas and piriformis muscles tightening. Found some great daily stretches and haven’t had spasms for 10 years. The back doctors I talked to would never tell me that and those particular “Doctors” are the devil to me. I’ve heard they pocket 100 grand or more for that surgery. I was nothing but a summer home or new Porsche in their eyes, lol.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Lots of experience, unfortunately. They wanted to cut on me but luckily I figured out through research that all my back trouble is the result of psoas and performis muscles tightening. Found some great daily stretches and haven’t had spasms for 10 years. The back doctors I talked to would never tell me that and those particular “Doctors” are the devil to me.

Back injuries really are fickle, and seemingly never the same thing for any two people.

I was getting bad pulls and spasms, and it even got to the point where the perscribed me some muscle relaxers (hated that shit). The fix for me was changing out my pillo, adding a pillow between my legs when I sleep, doing a lot of warmups before lifting. The big exercise that helped is Band Pull Aparts. I do them before every back day. Havent had any big problems since, aside from a few tweaks here and there.

 

[Cold Stout Beer]

Back injuries really are fickle, and seemingly never the same thing for any two people.

I was getting bad pulls and spasms, and it even got to the point where the perscribed me some muscle relaxers (hated that shit). The fix for me was changing out my pillo, adding a pillow between my legs when I sleep, doing a lot of warmups before lifting. The big exercise that helped is Band Pull Aparts. I do them before every back day. Havent had any big problems since, aside from a few tweaks here and there.

That's awesome. The pillow between the legs is huge and I did that as well a few years ago and it's night and day difference. I also got a water pillow from the Chiropractor back when I tried Chiro (another HUGE waste of money). Love the water pillow - never gets hot and won't allow my shoulder to jam into my neck (side sleeper). The stretches I found easily on Youtube by putting in "psoas stretches" and "piriformis stretches". The right stretches make back pain go away immediately for me since I'm lengtening/stretching the muscles that are pulling on the back. Some obviously have to go the surgery route because of damage discs, etc.

 

[DreadLox]

It's not indifference, it's the fact that any injury on our team takes 3 times as long to come back from. We're just trying to wrap our head around it. Is the trainers still working with blood letting or something?

If you keep repeating that gag, it will become dogma around here that it's true.

 

[docholiday51]

If you keep repeating that gag, it will become dogma around here that it's true.

He has been day to day for 3 weeks. How does that work? I have no doubt that he is injured, it is obviously more serious than day to day. Why not just say he is expected to be out 2 weeks, a month or whatever the time frame is thought to be. It doesn't have to be pictures, x-rays, diagrams and a full medical discloser

 

[jjsomer]

And that's fine.. most of the time.

But he's not getting paid to be a players-first coach. He's being paid to win games. Now most of the time, those can, and do, go hand in hand. He puts the players first, so we get the recruits and the recruits help him win games.

But sometimes it conflicts. It's not like Adou has a Concussion or is coming back off a knee injury. It's back spasms, and it's been 3+ weeks. Unless he's actually not able to play, I think you have to think about playing him next game to see how he does.

No coach that I am aware plays a player at the risk of long term injury. All coaches go by advice of the medical personnel/trainers. I can't imagine that Calipari is sitting a player when the medical team is telling him they are ready to play. I'll eat crow with concrete evidence to the contrary.

 

[DreadLox]

He has been day to day for 3 weeks. How does that work? I have no doubt that he is injured, it is obviously more serious than day to day. Why not just say he is expected to be out 2 weeks, a month or whatever the time frame is thought to be. It doesn't have to be pictures, x-rays, diagrams and a full medical discloser

Why not publish his x-rays? What are they hiding?

 

[STL_Cat]

Indifference to another person's health and well-being has become a recurring theme in recent years.

Okay, guy who thinks Justin Edwards as a freshman should be looked at the same way we looked at Goose Givens as a freshman.

 

[GoCats-GoHerd88]

Why not publish his x-rays? What are they hiding?

So you want personal info that’s illegal for Cal or Uk to release??? 😄

 

[UKWildcats1987]

Why not publish his x-rays? What are they hiding?

That hes not human.

 

[GoCats-GoHerd88]

Lmfao, I now provided SEVERAL links to back up my theories, you provided jack shit.

Cal makes the call on when a player comes back, the medical staff just give him the information on whether they think hes ready from a medical standpoint. How do you not understand this? This is literally how college and professional sports work. The team doctor isn't the one saying Thiero can't play, especially when he's on the team bench celebrating with his team. That's the coaches call, or sometimes the player.

You have not provided one thing that says Cal decides when and if a player comes back from injury??? You have now moved the goal post and are saying Cal takes advice from the medical team and that’s literally what I said.. 😂

You just rethought your uneducated response and decided to agree with me because I’m right and you aren’t. No HC at a major D1 school decides these things, you have showed your knowledge of the college game or lack thereof.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

You have not provided one thing that says Cal decides when and if a player comes back from injury??? You have now moved the goal post and are saying Cal takes advice from the medical team and that’s literally what I said.. 😂

You just rethought your uneducated response and decided to agree with me because I’m right and you aren’t. No HC at a major D1 school decides these things, you have showed your knowledge of the college game or lack thereof.

I said that he takes their info and makes his own decision. This isn't an ACL tear either lol. It's one thing for Medical staff to say "he needs surgery and he's out for 4 months".. THATS when Cal and coaches will just go by the medical staff.

What do you think the med staff is saying about back spasms? It's pain tolerance at this point and if/when they stop. It's a symptom of something else, back spasms are not the same as a rotator cuff tear.

Again. you provided no links, no other info. Just some weird nonsense about how you coached at one point (those poor kids). I have Bradshaw literally on video saying he can't say when he's coming back. You think that's doctor Bob telling him that? Lmfao.

Cal makes the call, not sure why this is even a discussion. Thiero is bouncing around on the bench. I feel very confident that he's cleared medically and this is now up to Cal (and maybe thiero) on when he plays again.

And please for the love of God, post SOMETHING of actual substance like I have. Give me ANYTHING.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I’ve yet to see anything that says it’s back spasms? Is that another goal post you moved?Please post evidence that it’s back spasms?

Let me guess, you assumed again? 😁

His own dad said it.

For the love of God, Google something, please.

Adou Thiero dealing with back spasms

The talented forward has been sidelined for two weeks.

www.aseaofblue.com

 

[GoCats-GoHerd88]

His own dad said it.

For the love of God, Google something, please.

Adou Thiero dealing with back spasms

The talented forward has been sidelined for two weeks.

www.aseaofblue.com

Ok that’s the first I’ve saw. Ok, now post where Cal has the ability to override Dr orders and play him thru an injury like you suggested above??

Causes of Back Spasms and How To Treat Them

Back spasms are involuntary muscle contractions that can be painful. You can treat them with acupuncture, pain relievers, and physical therapy.

www.health.com

Without knowing the extent or details, you could google and see what kind of time table back spasms typically have. But that wouldn’t fit into your hate Cal agenda.

 

[RunninRichie]

LOL. How many times do we have to see this crap with Cal. He even admitted in his book that he holds players out with ''injuries'' to protect them. Yet his fanboys still defend it. It's like when I keep stealing off my friend and he keeps going ''ah, he'll stop eventually''.

 

[KAB Cats]

It could be a grand conspiracy.

Or maybe his back is injured and he’s day to day.

Internet gonna internet

 

[KAB Cats]

Also, Theiro has no draft stock, geniuses, and holding him out does zero for his draft stock. In fact, it makes it less likely he’s drafted.

And I know doctors aren’t popular to some types of people, but I’m going to go out on a radical limb and say doctors have recommended not playing. Radical I know.

 

[Dontworryboutit23]

 

[STL_Cat]

This Thiero thing is going to cost us bigtime. Will end up being another one of those “what if” years at this rate.

 

[KyCatFan]

I have about as bad of a back as you can have. I've had 3 surgeries so far with 2 fusions. I also have had back spasms twice. They were horrible, but the next day I felt like it never happened. These are world class athletes and they are about as fragile as an eggshell. It's crazy that every year there's at least one mystery injury on this team that takes forever to heal and we never get a straight answer about what's going on. They want us to help pay players, but they don't want to tell us hardly anything.

 

[Dontworryboutit23]

I have about as bad of a back as you can have. I've had 3 surgeries so far with 2 fusions. I also have had back spasms twice. They were horrible, but the next day I felt like it never happened. These are world class athletes and they are about as fragile as an eggshell. It's crazy that every year there's at least one mystery injury on this team that takes forever to heal and we never get a straight answer about what's going on. They want us to help pay players, but they don't want to tell us hardly anything.

I think he may have a herniated disk and they are just trying to downplay it

 

[ORCAT]

Larry Bird back spasms lasted all season

I thought Larry Bird had serious disc problems that eventually required fusion. That's why he had to quit playing.

 

[KAB Cats]

Here go the same idiots ''IT'S NOT SOME GRAND CONSPIRACY!!! HE AINT EVEN GOT NO DRAFT STOCK'' Ever think it could be for something else? Grades maybe? Suspension for off-court activites?

You’ve gotta be trolling

 

[Dontworryboutit23]

I’m just gonna save everybody the trouble adou ain’t playing Wednesday

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Ok that’s the first I’ve saw. Ok, now post where Cal has the ability to override Dr orders and play him thru an injury like you suggested above??

Causes of Back Spasms and How To Treat Them

Back spasms are involuntary muscle contractions that can be painful. You can treat them with acupuncture, pain relievers, and physical therapy.

www.health.com

Without knowing the extent or details, you could google and see what kind of time table back spasms typically have. But that wouldn’t fit into your hate Cal agenda.

I'm not going to keep proving you wrong left and right lol. But no, the Doctors aren't taking something that's day-to-day like back spasms, and say "he can't play for the next month". Again, this isn't a clear cut injury like an AC joint sprain or foot injury. If the player is fine (and he was because hes chest bumping players during the game lol), then it's about pain tolerance and then it's the coaches (and players) choice to decide when he can come back in.

The coach will obviously listen to the doctors when they day "He tore his meniscus, out 4 months". But as we all agree on here, back spasms are finicky and there's no real time table given. They can literally loosen up and go away in a day's notice.

What do you think the doctors are saying about back spasms? That Thiero, after being out for a month, needs another few weeks? That's 100% the coaches call at this point, and Cal is likely just being overly cautious. Probably thinks we can get by without Thiero.

11/30/2013 Chandler Parsons got back spasms at the end of the game against San Antonio Spurs, he missed two games after that and is back within a week, playing 35 minutes, He was like 28 years old when this happened too. Thats NOT to say Thiero doesn't have more severe spasms, it's just to say that back spasms are a day-by-day thing and largely due to pain tolerance and frequency. But did the medical doctors for Houston tell the coach "These are back spams, the time table is out for 3 weeks"? No. Because 1. back spasms isn't the actual injury, but a consequence of a different medical issue and 2. they vary wildly and are generally just a matter of treatment working and pain tolerance.

Lastly, I stick up for Cal plenty on here, this is just something I don't fully agree with him on, and it's something we've seen almost every year: ambiguous injury news and almost every single player being held out longer than is needed.

 

[Mike-McD]

 

[docholiday51]

This Thiero thing is going to cost us bigtime. Will end up being another one of those “what if” years at this rate.

The only type of years we have had for the past 5 or so.

 

[Random UK Fan]

Theiro’s back progression from spasms, according to Jarred Vanderbilt’s doctor.

 

[Wonky]

We definitely need him back, if we want to contend.

We struggle with defense and rebounding. That’s the two things Thiero does best.

Exactly. Without Adou the only hope we have of winning a title is if Edwards magically becomes him.