The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

[warrior-cat]

It confuses me sometimes how some think just because we don't like Zelensky we are Russian supporters. It is totally moronic to say, but they can (free speech and all) which is the norm for them. If you don't agree with their opinion, you are a comrade in this instance. Some of you are not living in reality however as the onus of this conflict should be completely on the shoulders of Putin and Zelensky. Our involvement (monetarily) would also have been more accepted if there had not been so much corruption from the previous admin and Zelensky. Plus, the majority of the outside involvement should be with Europe which is what Trump is trying to make happen if a peace deal can't be reached.

Also, we have a war weary army/public still as we are not far removed from the Iraqi/Afghanistan wars. Many see this as possibly involvement in another war we should not engage in. Not to mention the burden to the taxpayer which is a big concern as it should be.

 

[FirewithFire]

It’s easy for Americans to play politics with Ukraine. “I am with Ukraine.” I know a handful of Americans who can say that and mean it, because they are on the ground in the war for Ukraine (or in Ukrainian or Polish hospitals). But, for most Americans and their bumper sticker virtue signaling slogans, this is a BS comment. Mainly because, as most sane people have known for the last 3 years, the odds of Ukraine winning this war by simply attaining munitions and aid from other countries is very very very low. We have seen the future and Ukraine loses without this becoming a war that includes the deaths of soldiers from more countries. All of the allusions to Chamberlain on this thread are predictions of a WW 3. Only with the deaths of soldiers not from Ukraine and Russia can Ukraine win this war.

It's pathetic. The same people who run around with their virtue towers blasting out how they support Ukraine at all costs are the same people who will be marching with peace signs and shouting anti war slogan when American kids start coming home in body bags. They are also the same people who could pour their collective understanding of military strategy into a thimble.

 

[JumperJack]

It's pathetic. The same people who run around with their virtue towers blasting out how they support Ukraine at all costs are the same people who will be marching with peace signs and shouting anti war slogan when American kids start coming home in body bags. They are also the same people who could pour their collective understanding of military strategy into a thimble.

Of course, the smartest military strategy is not to fight unless you have to, and then to only fight where you can win.

Notice that neither of these principles ever appear in posts from the war cheerleaders.

 

[*CatinIL*]

We've already covered this, he didn't go into finland because all of his soldiers were already in Ukraine. And yet another reason the "he'll take over all of Europe, is a fantasy.

Also have you guys ever glanced at a map. If the rest of nato wanted to come into Russia would they want to travel in a straight line if you started from Britain or would they want to needlessly travel up around and down through finland?

If you're driving from lex to Cincinnati. Do you drive straight up on 75 or do you drive on 64 to louisville then over to 71.

So which country you think has more value?

I love Geography/Cartography!

 

[Bill Cosby]

Good thread for everyone sitting in the comfort of their warm living rooms supporting Zelensky prolonging this war to look at:

 

[Farmy75]

Interesting thread comparing the Trump negotiation with the taliban/afghanistan and parralels to the Ukrainian negotiations