Woof. Hope Z man at least got dinner and a movie first.
The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
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Dont worry gang. Im sure the usaid puppet media and social media influencers would never lie and we know what's going on.
That brings me back to my first post in this thread and why i was against any intervention: we have no idea what's actually happening over there. Until we do, we should not do anything.
I assumed we were getting political propaganda to energize a base vs a common enemy. Boy was i wrong. i didn't realize it was an entire shadow government orchestrated altered reality. Way beyond propaganda.
The crazy part is everyone in this thread now knows this was all a production, yet still wont let go.
That brings me back to my first post in this thread and why i was against any intervention: we have no idea what's actually happening over there. Until we do, we should not do anything.
I assumed we were getting political propaganda to energize a base vs a common enemy. Boy was i wrong. i didn't realize it was an entire shadow government orchestrated altered reality. Way beyond propaganda.
The crazy part is everyone in this thread now knows this was all a production, yet still wont let go.
I’m just glad Zelensky is standing firm in his position that my son and future grandkids should have to pay off the money we borrowed and gave to him to blow, not Ukrainians. Cocksucker.
$40 trillion of debt. $1 plus trillion per year being extracted from the US economy (or compounding the borrowing problem) just to pay interest on the existing debt.
And people are bitching about Ukraine shouldering some of the burden.
$40 trillion of debt. $1 plus trillion per year being extracted from the US economy (or compounding the borrowing problem) just to pay interest on the existing debt.
And people are bitching about Ukraine shouldering some of the burden.
Why am I discussing Ukraine in a thread about Ukraine where a sticking point in ending the war in Ukraine is Ukraine agreeing to incentivize us into providing future support for Ukraine?
In this thread, you’re asking why I’m discussing Ukraine?
You missed the point. Sure discuss Ukraine here. But you act like it's the only place we shouldn't be spending on helping other countries. That I don't get. If so, why only not there?
But if you're against spending helping any other countries, please state that. I don't get the Red Sea/Gulf of Aden/Arabian Sea efforts.
One statement is factual. The rest is made up.
BTW, what age group are you in that gives you so much insight? Greatest Gen?
Since I know I’ve posted it numerous times, for shits I search for all the times I posted the word “aid” on Catpaw.
On April 29, 2024 there’s a post where I say I’m generally opposed to all foreign aid.
Take a guess who I was replying to in that post?
Another pile of steaming shit left by Biden and his band of idiot interns.
This is just stupid. No more American aid there. Let Europe fund it.
We could just keep selling them weapons but this is a pointless conflict that Ukraine can’t win. Same as on day #1.
Zelensky was correct re: loan v grant. It was definitely a grant. Our lunatic leaders thought we should give them a blank check. Insanity!
It’s not like he was an unwitting participant in the gift. Maybe one day he’ll allow elections and the Ukrainian people will vote out the government officials who were responsible like the American people did.
Based on public info, it was a conditional loan and was actually funded by usaid.
Of course we know there was no real intent that ever get paid back. Those conditions were not public, so id love to know what they were, because we all know the actual condition was "do what we {usaid} says".
Because Ukraine is part or Europe, with shitloads of democratic western countries who can get off their ass and put money forth. Oh the EU is paying as much as the US? Cool, anyway, it's THEIR continent...how important is it to them, pay double.
I know if commie China was taking over Mexico we wouldn't be investing the equivalent as someone across the ocean.
Some headlines write themselves....
thedailydigest.com
Crisis in Ukraine: Massive desertion in French-trained elite brigade |
Interesting that so many here want nothing to do with Ukraine, yet their god Trump wants to involve us there for the long term with this minerals things & I'm not hearing complaints. I mean do you want the US self-sufficient or dependent on an unstable country half the world away?
I hope you are just trying to bait with your silly ad hominem arguments, because otherwise it just makes you look simple-minded.
So, give us your opinions.
Are you suggesting that an agreement for minerals that are necessary for the energy and tech needs of our world is bad for the U.S.?
Are you saying having Ukraine as a partner with the U.S. is bad for Ukraine or good for Russia?
Are you saying that only other countries should get a return on their investment?
Just fill us in without the weak attempts to demean.
I'm not. But isolationists want us to produce our own stuff
I'm saying why do it Ukraine when isolationists want us out of there & horrors, being there could offend Putin. Why isn't a big war risk?
I'm saying why do isolationists all of sudden want the US involved with Ukraine vs. screaming for us to get out for years & years.
What investment?
What's demeaning to those that wanted us out of Ukraine so badly have turned around and are thrilled we'll be there for decades. Really two-faced.
Me, I'm good with & happy to see the isolationists turning around with their tails between their legs. It's clear the "get out of Ukraine" calls was merely posturing. Really sad.
The complete inability of neocons to understand any perspective other than kill, kill, kill is remarkable.
You guys spent hundreds of billions and got us involved in this mess. We’re collecting so my son and grandkids don’t have to pay that debt.
Next time, don’t get us involved.
You guys spent hundreds of billions and got us involved in this mess. We’re collecting so my son and grandkids don’t have to pay that debt.
Next time, don’t get us involved.
Yea, get Americans involved in Ukraine so Putin can kill kill kill when the time's appropriate. Keep us out of Ukraine - as has been the case.
There isn't a next time, only this time.
Oh yea, you avoid stating whether you think we should involved in Ukraine, now/this time. Waiting.
There isn't a next time, only this time.
Oh yea, you avoid stating whether you think we should involved in Ukraine, now/this time. Waiting.
What the hell are you talking about. Of course I want Ukraine to pay us back.
Obviously option 1a would have been to never get involved. That ship sailed.
Since you neocons and warmongers were dead set on as many people dying as possible, we kept the shit going for three years. Now our options are, (1) fund the war into perpetuity with no plan, (2) US boots on the ground, (3) walk away with nothing other than $200 billion in I need to pay off or (4) make Ukraine pay is back for the money we gave them.
The choice is obvious. The ultimate outcome was always obvious other than the possibility of being paid back.
Obviously option 1a would have been to never get involved. That ship sailed.
Since you neocons and warmongers were dead set on as many people dying as possible, we kept the shit going for three years. Now our options are, (1) fund the war into perpetuity with no plan, (2) US boots on the ground, (3) walk away with nothing other than $200 billion in I need to pay off or (4) make Ukraine pay is back for the money we gave them.
The choice is obvious. The ultimate outcome was always obvious other than the possibility of being paid back.
Yes, so why keep bringing it up ad naseum?
False. Just not let Ukraine go as your ilk have been for 3+ years.
Yea, so now let's risk American lives in Ukraine so that we get money that we aren't owed. It's always about $ with you, isn't it? I mean Ukraine has been worthless real estate for 3 years & let's get away from that hell hole, but now with $ signs, it's just great !!
But once we get whatever $ amount, Ukraine goes back to being worthless, right?
Zelensky has done nothing wrong. NATO hasn't been pitching in because Ukraine isn't part of NATO. Ukraine has done nothing wrong to the US. Your gripe should be with Trump.
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