The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)
- Thread starter BigBlueFanGA
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You think it is a good idea to try to ally with Vlade Putin.
Let that sink in. What other great ideas you got? Loaning money to Antoine Walker? Hiring Katina Powell as a babysitter?
Ukraine's not a vital interest of the US. As much as you all want it to be, it just isn't. Since I'm human, I just don't want people to die. End the war.
I firmly believe that every dollar spent helping Ukraine bog down the Russians is a dollar that makes the Chinese hesitant about invading Taiwan - which is what will really start WWIII. If Russia had been allowed to run roughshod with no response from the US or Europe, I feel pretty confident the Chinese would be emboldened to make concrete plans to invade (if they haven’t already).
I think The Plan coming out of the 2022 Beijing Winter Olympics was for Russia to invade Ukraine while Biden was in office as a trial balloon to gauge potential international response to China invading Taiwan. The Olympics ended on February 20, 2022. Russia invaded Ukraine on February 24, 2022.
If there was minimal international response to the Ukrainian invasion, I am 100% convinced the Chinese would have tried to invade Taiwan prior to the 2024 US election. The Russians and Chinese basically announced as much at the beginning of the Olympics. Those are old countries and symbolism is especially important to them. I believe the intent was to announce a start of a new global order where the Dragon and the Bear were going to put the Eagle in a cage with the Beijing Olympics being the metaphorical beginning of that new age.
The thought that Russia would side with us over the Chinese is imbecilic. The Russians were OBVIOUSLY working in concert with China to avoid us coming down on either of them.
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They’re acquiring land all over the United States next to our military basis, inserting spyware into anything that’s imported, flying spy balloons over the country, have spies buddies up with some of the top democrat senators, have been flooding fentanyl over our border working with the cartels.
But we should send hundreds of billions to the most corrupt country in Europe to kill some Russians and show China we aren’t messing around.
But we should send hundreds of billions to the most corrupt country in Europe to kill some Russians and show China we aren’t messing around.
It’s cool - as soon as Xi Jinping tells Donald that he is a strong, handsome man with tremendous hair, we’ll be allies with them, too, and that problem will be solved.
Do you think what China has observed makes it more or less hesitant about Taiwan, Korea, or even parts of Japan?
You don’t think China knows we have an actual interest in Taiwan????
I can just see Putin sitting around waiting to see who won the gold in cross country skiing before launching his invasion into Ukraine.
Definitely was waiting for the Olympics to end and had nothing to do with Kamala Harris meeting with NATO leaders and refusing to rule out the possibility of Ukraine joining NATO those same dates in February that year.
As long as we get chips, that’d be a better result than spending hundreds of billions slaughtering Ukrainians and Russians.
Or we could have just spent that same amount of money incentivizing domestic chip manufacturing so we didn’t care as much about Taiwan.
Huh???
The Biden administration thought Ukraine would fall in a matter of months, if not weeks. It was only after it became obvious that their prediction was grossly flawed that there was a strong cry to help Ukraine. If they thought Ukraine would fall quickly, why do you propose this as some sort of a trial balloon for China and our response was paramount to Taiwan’s safety?
This would be great. But we didn’t. I have also hoped for years that we would treat clean/alternative energy like the early years of the space program so we could tell the Middle East to get ****ed, but we won’t do that either. Oh, well.
Fracking is so awesome. It allows us to tell the Middle East to get ****ed AND pisses off blue hairs!
I think it has made them realize that Russia isn’t quite as strong as they might have thought. Starting WWIII backed by a resurgent Russia running roughshod over Eastern Europe (there is zero chance they would have stopped with Ukraine) is one thing. Starting it backed by a Russia that has struggled with an overmatched opponent and been forced to use North Koreans as cannon fodder is another.
Oh that would be great: government deciding what industries to invest in & spending our money on them. Where have I ever heard that idea before? I mean Trump was supposedly about government spending less money. Now guess it's about spending on what MAGA likes vs. what Libs like. There's no hope.
I suggest those that think some here want war name names or STFU vs. making veiled claims.
To the contrary, pulling out and refocusing against China with the money - not to mention potential Russian acquiescence - would be the right read on this.
Hard disagree but whatever. I don’t think it’s an “either/or” proposition. I also don’t think you can take the Russians’ word on anything. When Vlad Putin dies a well-deserved death, maybe I’ll reconsider. I don’t toss the word “evil” around lightly, but he qualifies.
Jesus christ. I said it would have been a better alternative to just spending hundreds of billions of dollars to kill hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and Russians.
Cats Pause: "Hey guys, China is our biggest enemy and they're gonna invade Taiwan and it's going to start WWIII"
Me: "Okay, let's put tariffs on them and look for new sources of supply - especially domestically"
Cats Pause: "Whoa!!!! That will cause inflation".
You all can't be f'ing serious right now. And btw, would you clowns risk your life or your kids' lives defending Taiwan? I know I wouldn't.
What has Putin done wrong to a single American save Brittany Griner and that WSJ dude?
Of course it's not a monolith...theres a spectrum of libertarian just the same as there's blue dog democrats vs progressives.
Tho, an overriding principle of libertarianism is how your tax dollars are spent. None really suggests the state should spend your treasure on ANOTHER state in which isn't harming our border.
Here's probably the most prominent libertarian that's been in US government in modern history
Ron Paul Called It: The Ukraine War and Foreign Policy Disaster
Ron Paul, known for his non-interventionist foreign policy views, critically examines the U.S.'s role in Ukraine, questioning the motives and benefits of its actions.
www.tftc.io
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Regime change hadnt shown beneficial in a lot of history, often it creates a vacuum. There's no guarantee the next guy in line is going to be better than Vlad It will likely be one of his guys and with less restraint. Putin isn't just a person, he's an entire political apparatus, the next person will likely have even grander Russian imperial aspirations. Who knows tho
Every neo-con telling you that we need to prepare to fight China while simultaneously telling you we need to run hundred billion dollar deficits with them should not be taken seriously.
- Putin has been in power for 25 years and has taken over disputed parts of Ukraine that were very pro-Russian.
- Hitler was in power for 5 years before he took over Austria. Then he quickly went to Czechoslovakia, Poland, Norwary, etc. in a span of like 2 years.
There are people on this thread who are saying that the Ukraine thing is a test run for China taking Taiwan. These same clowns also advocate for us to push our manufacturing base to China.
Im fine with staying in nato if everyone pays their share. Otherwise why do we need to carry all the weight?
No doubt those judges part of the usaid judicial outreach program.
That's exactly why z wont have elections. Especially now since usaid cant fix them .
It still boggles my mind there were people who believed all the propaganda about Ukraine winning. Now we know it was all propaganda and they still believe it. Its something.
They are sovereign only in appearance. We literally fund their government, bought their media and judicial system, and installed our puppet who now wont have an election.
That's hardly sovereign.
So, you think China believed (1) their attempt to claim Taiwan by physical force would start WWIII, (2) that Russia was strong enough to handle Eastern Europe for them in such a war, and (3) Ukraine was an audition for Russia?
I have not heard such a theory. Rather, I thought the belief was that China was watching to see how the world would respond to Russia to see if military force against Taiwan would unite others in defense of Taiwan that may trigger a WWIII.
This is news to me. One belief has China poised to start a world war while the other has China wary of so engaging.
First, you don’t evidently realize that your comments put you in that very category. Second, RIGHT AFTER your post, a poster said he was okay with a continued one to two decade war. So, you may want to STFU. 😆
Listen to Mike Waltz’s comments today if you want a better understanding and want to refute the mainstream rhetoric.
