The Ukraine war. (Yes, we'll mind our manners)

[Wildcats1st]

How to survive a nuclear catastrophe: WHO advises governments on nuclear medicines to stockpile | Fortune

Many countries are underprepared, according to the document which advises how to treat radiation and nuclear exposure.

fortune.com

No there’s no escalation toward a nuclear conflict

 

[SDC8888]

I am still wondering why people in Amererica would risk thermonuclear war for any country in the Eastern bloc? Especially Ukraine. Yeah, it sucks that this is happening, but do you really think that Russia is trying to take over Europe?

Don't worry, bro. You've got this!

 

[SDC8888]

Oh well... to make an omelette, you gotta break some egg$!

 

[OnUK]

Why risk all out wwIII?

Giving up and letting Russia take a country, unprovoked, is a much greater risk to that. Putin thrives on being enabled man.

 

[RunninRichie]

This thread is nauseating

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I’m not leaving anything buddy. You bring the propoganda like that article. The only thing promised is 14 tanks from Germany the rest is speculation except for the abrams which are a year away.

If you don’t see an escalation to ww3 if you don’t see there is no off ramp at this point, if you don’t see nato direct involvement then you’re blind. Nato is directly involved! There’s no argument. You’re statement they are sending 80 tanks is proof enough. It really is that simple. Because 4-5 guys on a message forum think this thing isn’t headed to ww3 doesn’t mean squat man. I think everyone else sees where it’s going but don’t want to get into it with your vocal minority.

This time last year I was arguing with your same clown crew whether Russia would invade or not. You guys thought they wouldn’t. It was “saber rattling” by Putin. Now we are a year in and a quarter of a million dead on both sides and you think I’m wrong bc ww3 didn’t start overnight. Don’t worry man it’s trending heavily towards all out nato v Russia. Thinking otherwise is dangerous.

Bwahahaha, that isn't whats promised. You're a riot.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

This thread is nauseating

Well, then ignore it i guess.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

I am still wondering why people in Amererica would risk thermonuclear war for any country in the Eastern bloc? Especially Ukraine. Yeah, it sucks that this is happening, but do you really think that Russia is trying to take over Europe?

There is zero risk of nuclear war. Good grief.

 

[RunninRichie]

Well, then ignore it i guess.

Instead of providing updates about the War it just constant center right vs far right bickering.

 

[AustinTXCat]

Western countries sending tanks to Ukraine will prolong war: Croatian president

If US, Russia cannot reach an agreement, the war will not end, says Zoran Milanovic - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Yeah, mistake in my opinion. Should not provoke the Bear in such a manner.

However, training Ukrainian troops on M1 tanks will probably require a few months. Having said that, M1's can make a helluva difference on the battlefield.

Also wonder if this move might be a ruse?

 

[vhcat70]

Germany says quiet part out loud about Ukraine war

Germany's foreign minister on Tuesday blamed Russia and President Vladimir Putin for "murderous" carnage.

www.newsweek.com

Lots of spin going on here for what german foreign minister said directly.

Saying something directly doesn't mean it's accurate.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Western countries sending tanks to Ukraine will prolong war: Croatian president

If US, Russia cannot reach an agreement, the war will not end, says Zoran Milanovic - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

Zoran is pro Russia, he can drop dead or be escorted there any time now. Calling him a pig is a disservice to pigs everywhere.

 

[WayneDougan]

There is zero risk of nuclear war. Good grief.

We almost had a nuclear war when Russian radar went off incorrectly one time. To say it's zero is stupid.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Instead of providing updates about the War it just constant center right vs far right bickering.

Agreed. The updates get side railed.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

We almost had a nuclear war when Russian radar went off incorrectly one time. To say it's zero is stupid.

Nearly zero if that makes you feel better.

 

[vhcat70]

We almost had a nuclear war when Russian radar went off incorrectly one time. To say it's zero is stupid.

It's not horseshoes.

 

[CastleRubric]

Ok, so let's continue our discussion outside the politics thread. Let's do our best to keep it within the rules this time. Me included.

Has anyone seen the various video clips of film crews working in Ukraine -- apparently filming "war stuff" - simulated responses to
shelling and the like?

Thoughts?

 

[CastleRubric]

Nearly zero if that makes you feel better.

removed the lengthy text again--


I 100% believe tactical nuclear weapons HAVE been used in recent conflicts but the public is not aware of it - and low yield weapons would be easy to escape major media attention when detonated (Yemen was one)

 

[CastleRubric]

Giving up and letting Russia take a country, unprovoked, is a much greater risk to that. Putin thrives on being enabled man.

Honestly ask yourself - who has toppled and
taken over (or attempted) more sovereign governments ?

Specifically since the end of the CW

Russia
or
The Western Powers?

Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Tunisia, attempts in Syria , Iran - others

Expansion of military alliances and
forward deployed military hardware from NATO
nations -- into the former Eastern Block

And the usurping of
national bank of systems + cultural institutions

Thats all been George Soros themed Anglo-Israeli-US (now pitiful NATO jumping in) -- not
Russia

Can't you see how this
appears as a threat to the Russians?

I won't include mentioning crossing cultural red lines here - but we have

Russia has a legitimately centered concern and
cause for pushing back

We have NO REASON to fight them however
And we're not equipped to win that fight either

Its tragic how its all unfolding

 

[Catemus]

Yes, I have no issue with the Russian people.

The only issue I have with them is their conditioning to be ruled. Their culture seems to desire rulers rather than leaders, someone to tell them what to do. They don’t have much interest in politics at the man-on-the-street level, assigning that responsibility to those in power.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

The only issue I have with them is their conditioning to be ruled. Their culture seems to desire rulers rather than leaders, someone to tell them what to do. They don’t have much interest in politics at the man-on-the-street level, assigning that responsibility to those in power.

Long term culture

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Honestly ask yourself - who has toppled and
taken over (or attempted) more sovereign governments ?

Specifically since the end of the CW

Russia
or
The Western Powers?

Libya, Egypt, Iraq, Tunisia, attempts in Syria , Iran - others

Expansion of military alliances and
forward deployed military hardware from NATO
nations -- into the former Eastern Block

And the usurping of
national bank of systems + cultural institutions

Thats all been George Soros themed Anglo-Israeli-US (now pitiful NATO jumping in) -- not
Russia

Can't you see how this
appears as a threat to the Russians?

I won't include mentioning crossing cultural red lines here - but we have

Russia has a legitimately centered concern and
cause for pushing back

We have NO REASON to fight them however
And we're not equipped to win that fight either

Its tragic how its all unfolding

I don't agree with your overall assessment. In fact, it's wrong. What do you mean we aren't equipped to win that fight? Russia can't beat Ukraine or Ohio for that matter. What are you talking about?

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Our Atlas (or was it Jupiter?) IRBMs (intermediate range nuclear missiles fm the 50-60s) -- used to go online armed when there were ground lightning strikes in Turkey --

DEFCON 2 was attained once during the
Cold War as I recall _ during the
cuban missile crisis as soviet ships were steamed towards our
naval blockade

Soviet ships had the green light to use tactical nuclear weapon to eliminate our navajo assets - decision was granted to theater officers

i don't believe we've ever been back to DEFCON 2 since - not even 9/11

one of my former employers received a
major contract - well after the
end of the CW - to revitalize NORAD / Cheyenne Mountain etc

Finally - I 100% believe tactical nuclear weapons HAVE been used in recent conflicts but the public is not aware of it - and low yield weapons would be easy to escape major media attention when detonated (Yemen was one)

Do you have a shred of evidence of that use?

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

Has anyone seen the various video clips of film crews working in Ukraine -- apparently filming "war stuff" - simulated responses to
shelling and the like?

Thoughts?

Also -
anyone else heard that the German foreign minister declared war on
Russia recently?

haven't fact checked that myself but
noticed an article

You're falling for Russian propaganda.

 

[CastleRubric]

I don't agree with your overall assessment. In fact, it's wrong. What do you mean we aren't equipped to win that fight? Russia can't beat Ukraine or Ohio for that matter. What are you talking about?

Edited my lengthy post as it was a space eater


What would be our military goal in Ukraine?

 

[CastleRubric]

You're falling for Russian propaganda.

I will grant you that there's a lot of
BS flying around

But recall that with the 2012 NDAA -- the US
Government legalized the use of military grade PSYOPS against our own citizens

 

[CastleRubric]

There is zero risk of nuclear war. Good grief.

Hope you're right

Tactical nuclear weapons (and "micro nukes") are seen as a viable option in certain cases because of the limited blast yield and
collateral damage - also plausible deniability on having actually used them

Wish we could put the genie back in the
bottle and just magically make them ALL disappear fm the planet but - that ain't realistic

It would take a serious industrial level of cluster-fk for us to get into a situation where there's a strategic exchange of ICBMs -

Hopefully - NATO / The West stand back and honor Russias original offer of utilizing the Minsk agreement as a basis for dialogue and an end to hostilities -

It makes sense that the Slavic people within that region of the world should be the ones to manage the negotiations and terms for settlement

News surfacing tonight of possible Israeli strikes within Iran - sources are Arab news outlets - lets see how that looks in the morning

 

[rudd1]

-castle...your years of military service/work In the defense industry *pale* in comparison to a middling salesman's vast experience of reading a few articles here and there.

 

[AustinTXCat]

Hope you're right

Tactical nuclear weapons are seen as a
viable option in certain cases because of the limited blast yield and
collateral damage

I THINK President Trump even made a comment about having that grade of technology as an
option is good because it specifically enables us to use that higher level of bunker penetration / industrial target elimination?

Depends on who employs. I'd wager if a tactical nuke is released, Ivan will be the first.

I also believe USA working hard as hell via back-channel to prevent such a release.

 

[JumperJack]

There is zero risk of nuclear war. Good grief.

It’s impossible to take you seriously with statements like this.

The word escalation is in our language for a reason.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

It’s impossible to take you seriously with statements like this.

The word escalation is in our language for a reason.

Yes, I rephrased it later. There is very little risk. Since no one is directly attacking Russia, all they have to do is leave Ukraine - which they will whether they want to or not - and that is why there is very little risk of this going nuclear.

You do realize the way this will end, right? It will end with the assassination of Putin. I figured that would come before Christmas but I was wrong. It will happen though. His inner circle isn't going to continue with this much longer. Their wealth and power is at stake and they will do whatever is necessary to preserve it.

 

[Catemus]

Depends on who employs. I'd wager if a tactical nuke is released, Ivan will be the first.

I also believe USA working hard as hell via back-channel to prevent such a release.

I also think that we know the precise locations of all their missile silos as well as their mobile launch capabilities and submarines. If it comes down to an exchange of nukes, I think we could stop most or all of their missiles before they could reach their targets here.

I’m less confident that Europe could defend themselves from a Russian nuclear attack simply because of their close proximity. We would have more reaction time than Europeans would. Still, I think most of the Russian missiles would be shot down.

Russia’s claim of having hypersonic missiles is misleading, I think. True, they have them but they are not ramjet types which can launch low and stay low. They have to ascend to a high altitude and then glide to their targets. That presents a vulnerable window to intercept them before they achieve hypersonic speeds.

We, on the other hand, do have scramjets that can launch low and achieve hypersonic speeds without having to launch high and then glide.

 

[Wildcats1st]

Yes, I rephrased it later. There is very little risk. Since no one is directly attacking Russia, all they have to do is leave Ukraine - which they will whether they want to or not - and that is why there is very little risk of this going nuclear.

You do realize the way this will end, right? It will end with the assassination of Putin. I figured that would come before Christmas but I was wrong. It will happen though. His inner circle isn't going to continue with this much longer. Their wealth and power is at stake and they will do whatever is necessary to preserve it.

An assasination of Putin won’t end it, it will escalate it. There isn’t some democratic voice of reason waiting in the wings. The guys lined up to fill Putin’s shoes are hardliners far more so than Putin. And you’re right they will do what they have to in order to preserve it which means deployment of tactical nukes. Russia is all in buddy and you don’t want to see it. They aren’t going to lose the way you think. In the end they may lose, hell everyone may lose.

I also think the previous analysis is correct. I don’t remember the op for it but Russia turns to the strong man. They tried democracy and power was seized by an autocrat. You know what. They liked it.

 

[jameslee32]

 

[Catemus]

An assasination of Putin won’t end it, it will escalate it. There isn’t some democratic voice of reason waiting in the wings. The guys lined up to fill Putin’s shoes are hardliners far more so than Putin. And you’re right they will do what they have to in order to preserve it which means deployment of tactical nukes. Russia is all in buddy and you don’t want to see it. They aren’t going to lose the way you think. In the end they may lose, hell everyone may lose.

I also think the previous analysis is correct. I don’t remember the op for it but Russia turns to the strong man. They tried democracy and power was seized by an autocrat. You know what. They liked it.

“They tried democracy and power was seized by an autocrat. You know what. They liked it.”

Regrettably this seems to be true about the Russian culture. All the more reason that that rogue society be contained.

 

[Wildcats1st]

“They tried democracy and power was seized by an autocrat. You know what. They liked it.”

Regrettably this seems to be true about the Russian culture. All the more reason that that rogue society be contained.

That’s the direct threat they perceive to their czarist culture. That’s why this won’t end well because they look at the west as imposing its values. Our politicians make these comments all the time so the Russian leaders do view it as an existential threat. This isn’t Iraq with an inocuos military we can steamroll and not worry about their delivery systems to the USA. Anyone thinking the usa can take out enough of Russias nuclear capabilities to prevent the leveling of America are delusional.

 

[AustinTXCat]

View embedded media

HIMARS is no freaking joke. Awesome system.

 

[Freetaxreturn]

View embedded media

That was awesome graphic video 😂 thanks 🍺

 

[Wildcats1st]

View embedded media

Russian media reports this attack destroyed a civilian hospital in eastern Ukraine. Laugh all you want JL this war is no laughing matter. Imagine what Sadam would have done if he had nukes especially with state of the art delivery systems. Now apply that to Putin.

 

[Wildcats1st]

Russia accuses Ukraine of killing 14 in 'deliberate' strike on hospital

Russia accused the Ukrainian military of deliberately striking a hospital in a Russian-held area of eastern Ukraine on Saturday in what it said was a war crime that killed 14 people and wounded 24 patients and medical staff.

www.reuters.com