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The Petrino Culture

Right now, the top 2 thread in your football forum are about Louisville.

Obsess much?

Apparently because some of your most prolific posters can't find enough intelligent posters on your site to have an intelligent exchange over there. Which isn't helped by banning the millions of fans that want to criticize your program, LOL.
 
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I don't know what shape he left the Arkansas program, but I know he won quite a few games (in a really tough division) while he was down there..I'm not sure how much I buy this whole thing that he leaves programs in terrible shape when he leaves..I mean how exactly does winning a bunch of games leave a program in terrible shape? I could buy that argument if you're a team with tradition that had several big-time options for head coach, but at a school like Kentucky that has nothing to lose? Is the roster and the culture really that bad following several 9 and 10-win seasons? The program wouldn't have been in terrible shape if a good coaching hire was made after he left instead of guys like Kragthorpe or John L. Smith. The reason teams are bad after Petrino leaves is mainly because they make terrible coaching hires. And even if that happened at UK how exactly could the program be in any worse shape than when he took over? That two-win roster and culture at UK were about as bad as it gets. I'm not sure how some 10-win seasons would hurt it.

If Petrino came and took over a two-win Kentucky team and stayed for four or five years and won 9 or 10 or 11 games a year and had us competing for SEC East titles and packing the stadium with fans and having us as a consistent top-25 team with an exciting offense and then left, how exactly would he be leaving the program in worse shape? It's an honest question. You're telling me as a two-win team with little tradition you'd turn that down because you'd be afraid of what kind of shape the program would be in when he left? I find that hard to believe, and I know that because of the excitement that was on this board when there were rumors that Petrino was going to be hired before Mitch turned him down.

Even if Petrino took over UK and won 9,10 and 11 games for four or five years and then left a terrible roster and a terrible culture the program would be in better shape than it was when he took over.

People can judge him on the off the field stuff, that's their prerogative, but at the end of the day all people care about is wins. ESPN doesn't care if you're a good human being. I want Kentucky football to be great, and I think sometimes we try to kill Petrino on here because at the end of the day we know that we had a proven winner practically begging to come here but Barnhart told him no (much like he told Calipari no the first time around after Tubby left) and now we're trying to justify it because that's our only choice (and we can't place our anger where it truly belongs with our AD). I don't know about you, but I'd take four or five 9 or 10 or 11-win seasons and a coach leaving for greener pastures, and if you wouldn't I'm not sure you're being honest with yourself.
What a completely flawed argument. Petrino is a good coach-there is no doubt about that. But he also benefited greatly at UL his first time there by a couple of factors: an easy schedule in joke leagues and the presence of Bush and Brohm, two local unbelievable talents. He then moved to Atlanta and was a complete failure and quitter not lasting a full year. He then moved to Arkansas in which he won games but still left it a total mess that the new coach had to clean up. See above article. Smith was simply an interim coach the following year. The Wisconsin coach they hired was a great hire. Throw in that he is a total piece of cheating,lying shit and I wouldn't have his ass as coach under any circumstances. I happen to think Stoops was the exact hire UK needed- a great recruiter whose reputation is beyond reproach. He is building the foundation properly unlike that scum bucket Petrino who brings on criminals and cast offs to fill his roster.
 
You nailed it as usual Grumpy. To label Petrino a weasel would be to insult weasels everywhere.

I almost hope he just a modicum of success (just not against UK) so that some other school will hire him away, and that he slinks away in the middle of the night. At that point, UL will have gotten what they deserved.
I would rather he has three seasons in row going 5-7 and gets fired. UofLsucksville fans would be suicidal.
 
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UOTE="jauk11, post: 2102526, member: 5222"]Some correlation between BP and Curci, but not much, what a putdown of Curci to compare him to the slimeball that is a hero at Transfer U. But there is some correlation, the main difference is the incompetent NCAA nailing UK and ignoring hurtt (and the others in charge) at UL, but you do realize that Curci left UK with a losing record AND that a VERY good HOF coach had a ZERO win season his first year at UK with the mess that Curci left him. And Curci's record his last year at UK was 3.-8, so much for all the improvement he left us. Another similarity to BP.

As for jnewc2's long rant, disgusting, he had built up quite a few points with me but he went back to zero with his defense of the indefensible. And I doubt very much that a majority of UK fans wanted BP at UK under any circumstances, what an insult to our fan base.[/QUOTE]

But Curci did not leave the cupboards bare. Claibourne's best team was with kids Curci recruited playing their senior years. Check it out. After that season, Claibourne never came close to duplicating that team. He couldn't get the players. Claibourne was a fine coach and better man, but IMO, not as good as what Curci would have been had he stuck around. No intent to say FC was on bp's level. Just making a point that the bottom line is winning. Breaking an arbitrary ncaa rule that is not even enforced consistently did not make a great, winning season any less memorable or satisfying. If ul were to win big under bp, even if he gets them slammed with probation, they will still rub it in our faces. Being able to look at them and say it was because he cheated won't make losing any easier or acceptable.
 
jnewc2 how can you say that after seeing 2 programs implode after he left. So you think the way he builds programs is a formula for continued success? Recruiting an entire roster of kids that barely qualify and refuse to go to class. Taking castoffs that fail multiple drug tests or get kicked off the team because of legal trouble. They had 9 JUCOs or transfers in their last class. That creates a situation where he will have to keep taking JUCOs and transfers every single year because his roster will be turning over so fast. He will only get 1 good year out of most of those players. He builds for 3 year runs and leaves the roster in shambles. He's never stayed long enough to take credit for the mess he makes. It's going to be interesting to see where UL is in 3 years because Petrino's buyout will probably keep him at UL longer than that. Very few respectable programs would consider him now even if he didn't have a huge buyout
 
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UOTE="jauk11, post: 2102526, member: 5222"]Some correlation between BP and Curci, but not much, what a putdown of Curci to compare him to the slimeball that is a hero at Transfer U. But there is some correlation, the main difference is the incompetent NCAA nailing UK and ignoring hurtt (and the others in charge) at UL, but you do realize that Curci left UK with a losing record AND that a VERY good HOF coach had a ZERO win season his first year at UK with the mess that Curci left him. And Curci's record his last year at UK was 3.-8, so much for all the improvement he left us. Another similarity to BP.

As for jnewc2's long rant, disgusting, he had built up quite a few points with me but he went back to zero with his defense of the indefensible. And I doubt very much that a majority of UK fans wanted BP at UK under any circumstances, what an insult to our fan base.

But Curci did not leave the cupboards bare. Claibourne's best team was with kids Curci recruited playing their senior years. Check it out. After that season, Claibourne never came close to duplicating that team. He couldn't get the players. Claibourne was a fine coach and better man, but IMO, not as good as what Curci would have been had he stuck around. No intent to say FC was on bp's level. Just making a point that the bottom line is winning. Breaking an arbitrary ncaa rule that is not even enforced consistently did not make a great, winning season any less memorable or satisfying. If ul were to win big under bp, even if he gets them slammed with probation, they will still rub it in our faces. Being able to look at them and say it was because he cheated won't make losing any easier or acceptable.[/QUOTE]

Curci's last team was 3-8, and the season after that was ZERO wins, and he left UK's program in good shape, not even considering the effect of probation.

So, by your criteria one of the best coaches of all time was a coach that is probably considered by many on here to be the worst coach in UK history-----and that is saying quite a lot. The two teams that he coached prior to becoming UK's coach were not only successful three years after he left, they BOTH won the NC, Georgia Tech and then Bama. And his last team before joining UK was 10-1 his last year, losing a bowl game to one of the great Miami teams.

The sad fact is that UK has had several very good coaches that could do very little at UK because of the minimum support the football program received, and while several programs have profited greatly by bending every rule and cheating with little or no punishment UK's amateurish attempts at cheating have cost us dearly-----in both football and basketball, would probably have had a couple more NCAA championships in basketball if not for probation.
 
A year or two before Petrino was re-hired at U of L, I started a thread here that said U of L "would hire him in a heartbeat" if Charlie Strong ever left. Every Cardinal fan that replied disagreed, even Wildcard IIRC. They all said that U of L would "never" bring him back, especially after what he had done to U of L on the way out the door.

There's just something different about that athletics program. That fan base. They have Rick Pitino and Bobby Petrino heading their signature programs. Neither should be anywhere near a college campus, IMO (especially Petrino). They bring in questionable transfers, have them go bad, then continue to do it. They just kind of do their own thing, and I suppose their boosters and alumni are alright with it.

Oh well. It is what it is. At the end of the day, collegiate athletics has become a "produce or else" business. And Tom Jurich has produced like no other. .

GBB!!!
 
never venture over there because why willingly dip yourself into a cesspool, but as of 8:45 AM this morning the UL rivals site football 1st page features 12+ UK threads. And that is with about 10+ pathetic reminders that Huge Howie now has an awful daily radio show that gets crushed in the ratings by KSR.
 
A year or two before Petrino was re-hired at U of L, I started a thread here that said U of L "would hire him in a heartbeat" if Charlie Strong ever left. Every Cardinal fan that replied disagreed, even Wildcard IIRC. They all said that U of L would "never" bring him back, especially after what he had done to U of L on the way out the door.

There's just something different about that athletics program. That fan base. They have Rick Pitino and Bobby Petrino heading their signature programs. Neither should be anywhere near a college campus, IMO (especially Petrino). They bring in questionable transfers, have them go bad, then continue to do it. They just kind of do their own thing, and I suppose their boosters and alumni are alright with it.

Oh well. It is what it is. At the end of the day, collegiate athletics has become a "produce or else" business. And Tom Jurich has produced like no other. .

GBB!!!
^ This.
 
I was told by a guy yesterday who "claims" he has a lot of inside knowledge in the athletics program at Otis(not going to tell you all he told me because it is too juicy and would take too long), that Bobby and Jurich hate each other , but BP was hired because it was a "necessary evil" heading into the ACC...Also gave me details in the Strong , Hurtt deal and why Charlie is now at Texas...Guy is a huge UL and WKU so I assumed he is somehow tied in with the Brohms .

Lol. What?
 
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