The NCAA Punishment For Uavel is due this week...

[SemperFiCat]

IMO, the UNCheat thing has always been way worse. Sure, the hookers thing really hits the moral compass hard, but it's recruiting young men, and well, what better way to 'get a leg up'? The UNCheat involved student athletes already enrolled and completely undermines what the NCAA has clamined for years is their sole reason to govern collegiate athletics. If the NCAA can't enforce these academic laws against UNCheat, it's basically lost ALL credibility and accountability.

 

[katwest]

If the NCAA just gives them both a slap on the wrist, how are they going to remain relevant in the world of college athletics. If those two schools don't deserve major punishment, what does a program have to do to receive just punishment. No matter what program or how much money a program has, stall tactics or good lawyers shouldn't stand in the way of the cheating schools getting their worlds rocked.

 

[cbrwalt]

When I see someone with more likes than posts, I smell a troll that boosts his own like count to make people think they are not a troll, but your post is an obvious UNC**** troll post.

Some of you are so paranoid

I cant stand what UNC has done. I think UofL and UNC should both be severely punished.

People are stating that UofL wont get hammered because then UNC would have to get hammered.

I was just illustrating how the NCAA could get away with punishing UofL severely and not do much to UNC

I dont agree with it, but it is an argument they could use, and the media wouldnt hold them accountable

 

[sefus12]

That is a vapid, ignorant argument that only a participant of those fake classes would make. The NCAA decided not to investigate the wheels for Heels, drug running etc at all and concentrated on the academic fraud that kept ineligible athletes available to gain fraudulent titles and wins for decades. You are one of those cheating lovers. Take a hike. Cheater, liar, jerk. I hate anything to do with UNC**** #UNCCHEATS and the#NCAAisCORRUPT.

Losers like you perpetuate the fraud.

Someone may need to take a step back from the keyboard. Cbrwalt didn't say that UNC shouldn't be punished, just how the NCAA could twist words in a way to hammer UL while not doing the same to UNC.

It's fine to hate UNC, but use a bit of logic when responding to someone as opposed to just bashing away for no real reason.

As for me, I hope both get throttled by the NCAAs, but if I had to choose one it would be UL. Living in this city for 12 years will make you hate anything and everything to do with that university and the media/fans that protect it around here.

 

[ram1955]

****This is not my opinion, but an argument that the NCAA could use if they want to punish UofL and not UNC****


Here's the difference:

UNC provided their fake classes to athletes and reg. students

UofL provided their prostitutes to athletes only

If the NCAA wants to, they can hammer UofL and give UNC just a slap

(Maybe UofL should have opened up the Minardi Hall parties to all students so the NCAA would not be able to punish them)

Interesting point of view. So you are saying, generally speaking, the highly touted unc has a widespread practice of offering meaningless courses to its students who pay big money to get a quality education. IMO, that's an even greater indictment of the university at-large.

 

[ram1955]

The ONLY question the ncaa should and has the right to ask is simply this: Did the actions or lack of action by the school result in their athletic teams having a competitive advantage? If the answer is yes, sanctions are warranted.
IMO, (and I'm neutral re: ul), what unc has done provided a significantly greater advantage and for a longer period of time than what ul has done.

 

[Crankdatmustard]

Put it this way, if they both get a slap on the wrist....if I am UK football and Mark Stoops I go all in on cheating to a SEC championship.

 

[cbrwalt]

UNC is worse, but the NCAA could use technicalities to avoid implementing heavy penalties to UNC if they want to

its bullcrap, but its true

 

[ram1955]

UNC is worse, but the NCAA could use technicalities to avoid implementing heavy penalties to UNC if they want to

its bullcrap, but its true

it will happen

 

[ram1955]

Put it this way, if they both get a slap on the wrist....if I am UK football and Mark Stoops I go all in on cheating to a SEC championship.

Or at least pushing the envelop as do schools like bama. The goal should be to comply with the letter of the law, not the spirit of the law.

 

[cbrwalt]

I've noticed at UofL lately, all of their bad news has actually been released on Thursdays at 4:30

I will definitely be checking twitter today and tomorrow around 4:30

My guess, if its today its not that bad
If its tomorrow, then its pretty severe

 

[Old_Red]

Some of you are so paranoid

I cant stand what UNC has done. I think UofL and UNC should both be severely punished.

People are stating that UofL wont get hammered because then UNC would have to get hammered.

I was just illustrating how the NCAA could get away with punishing UofL severely and not do much to UNC

I dont agree with it, but it is an argument they could use, and the media wouldnt hold them accountable

The paranoia comes from dozens of trollers coming here making excuses for UNC*** for years. If UNC**** gets anyone in the press or NCAA to allow that excuse, they are just as responsible for the corruption that is college athletics as UNC*** is. It is a disease of all institutions of power in the USA right now. The systems are being morphed into ones with inadequate accountability and no punishment for the powerful. The inequities are rampant and will eventually lead to disruption by the disenfranchised. Things like that led to the American and French revolution, the Russian revolution, Pol Pot, the Arab Spring. Sometimes good things result but often end in tragedy. At least with college athletics, it could just be the loss of a cash cow. I, personally, am not watching anything more than UK playing in sports and an occasional game from my alma mater, Purdue. I didn't watch the NBA playoffs, I've quit watching any of the rest of the NCAA after UK is out. I think the system is on par with the WWE until I see some just punishment of powerful cheaters. Even then, I don't trust the system any more. It will be a long time before I do.

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

The ONLY question the ncaa should and has the right to ask is simply this: Did the actions or lack of action by the school result in their athletic teams having a competitive advantage? If the answer is yes, sanctions are warranted.
IMO, (and I'm neutral re: ul), what unc has done provided a significantly greater advantage and for a longer period of time than what ul has done.

That's not a good way to look at it. You're ignoring the attempt to create a competitive advantage. They could have failed in their attempt, like a burglar who gets caught in the act, but the "crime" was still committed.

 

[BoxterS]

Because the NCAA demonstrating just how easy it is to commit violations and get away with it, it almost makes me angry and frustrated with how clean UK has been as of late, especially in football.

I mean what the hell are we doing? Settling for 3-5 win seasons? Losing fans? Losing revenue? Having to watch shitty football through the Joker years? Why the hell didn't we cheat? Why the hell did we not get hookers? Fake classes? Hell, whatever it took.

I'm being serious. Nothing happens! The freaking joke is on us!

 

[poppycat]

Two questions:
1. Would or has UL tried to buy a lenient decision?
2. Would or has the NCAA accepted the terms?

Just asking for someone who wants to know.....

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Thanks

I was a bad boy

For some reason the above just creeps me out. I picture the op as the guy living in his basement throwing darts at a pitino poster and doing chants to put curses on Louisville. Not that there's anything wrong with that. So him being a bad boy probably equals a string of murders.

On the topic hope Louisville gets hammered but I doubt it

 

[Nuke99m]

11am today!!!!

 

[2Adulterers]

11am today!!!!

Ruh Roh

 

[ram1955]

That's not a good way to look at it. You're ignoring the attempt to create a competitive advantage. They could have failed in their attempt, like a burglar who gets caught in the act, but the "crime" was still committed.

You miss my point: offering bogus classes affords them a competitive advantage whether or not it actually impacted or didn't impact the outcomes of games. Besides, no one can ever say with certainty if something did or did not impact results of games. The advantage is they adhered to a lower standard than do other universities.

The main point of my statement is this: The ncaa is poorly equipped to evaluate issues relative to morality ie....Their only focus should be ensuring a level competitive playing field. Besides, colleges, what seems to be a majority of persons working at colleges, administrators, etc... are poor choices to be entrusted with making decisions relative to morality. Many college classrooms are nothing more than places for immoral professors to spread their immoral views.
The poorest level/quality of education in our country occurs in our colleges.

 

[Tyblue22]

On what basis could they possibly get their banner back on appeal?

If the NCAA vacates the wins it will be because UofL used ineligible players. How can the appeals committee reinstate wins if ineligible players were used?

The NCAA is letting Louisville name the players. If they name Kevin Ware only, and it is accepted, then they keep the banner because Kevin Ware broke his leg during the elite 8 game and didn't play in the title game.

Long shot on that one. But, if we are looking for why the NCAA didnt announce names, maybe this is a loophole for them. I dont know, its just a thought.

Kevin Ware could be the way out to hammer UL but let them keep the banner? I dont know

 

[BigBlueFanGA]

You miss my point: offering bogus classes affords them a competitive advantage whether or not it actually impacted or didn't impact the outcomes of games. Besides, no one can ever say with certainty if something did or did not impact results of games. The advantage is they adhered to a lower standard than do other universities.

The main point of my statement is this: The ncaa is poorly equipped to evaluate issues relative to morality ie....Their only focus should be ensuring a level competitive playing field. Besides, colleges, what seems to be a majority of persons working at colleges, administrators, etc... are poor choices to be entrusted with making decisions relative to morality. Many college classrooms are nothing more than places for immoral professors to spread their immoral views.
The poorest level/quality of education in our country occurs in our colleges.

I don't disagree but I don't think this is a morality issue.