Granted it's like D-3 or something, but Randy Moss's daughter had to vacate her title because she stayed at a coach's house.
It's easy to punish the small schools. Let's see if they have the stones to take a D-1 title.
The NCAA Punishment For Uavel is due this week...
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It's easy to punish the small schools. Let's see if they have the stones to take a D-1 title.
Can you cite to any examples where this has happened before?
Impermissible benefits from a member of the coaching staff is a pretty big deal. Not to say anything of illegal recruiting inducements.
I love how UL homers keep saying 9 games for pitino and thats the norm... UH NO its GAWD DAMN NOT.... The norm for prostitutes is a fired coach ...
I agree buddy but the NCAA and logic are not well aquatinted with each other. It may seem like common sense to us regular folk but somehow, the NCAA continually fails to see what everyone else on the entire planet can see so easily. It's beyond words.
Hm. I researched a little more, and you might be right. I was under the impression that hookers, being both illegal and not compensation with aftermarket value, would've fallen under an exception for impermissible benefits with no value. That may not be true. But I can't say definitively. Are there any other NCAA hooker scandals to look at?
First, you're wrong about the impact of impermissible benefits on eligibility. Bylaw 16.01.1 is crystal clear.
Second, Louisville was not accused of impermissible benefits. They were accused of providing:
- Impermissible inducements
- And / or extra benefits
Extra benefits are worse. Most impermissible benefits are just secondary violations. Here's how it works.
There are things that the NCAA says a school can provide within certain limits, such as training table meals or awards for winning a championship. These are benefits.
If you give students a benefit, but exceed the limits set forth in the by laws, then it becomes an impermissible benefit.
If you give a student something that is not permitted in any circumstance, then it is an extra benefit.
Impermissible benefits also offer a streamlined restitution process to restore eligibility. Extra benefits do not and require schools to petition for reinstatement and argue their case.
When most people think of cheating, they're thinking of extra benefits.
Excellent post...very clear, concise explanation.
Well, if that's the case, then maybe the banner should come down. We know Montrezl Harrell and Russ Smith were recipients of the extra benefits. Anyone else?
don't see anything much happening tbh
he'll get a suspension and they'll call it good
Probably give him a medal for weathering McGee's betrayal with such dignity.
Rick Pitino could find out his NCAA fate as early as this week, as the Cardinals await a Committee on Infractions ruling on the violations that arose from an escort queen’s tell-all book in 2015. Pitino is charged with a lack of head coach control – a Level I violation, most serious in the NCAA’s hierarchy of crimes and misdemeanors – and the school has disputed the charge.
https://sports.yahoo.com/louisville...coaches-accountable-violations-155026906.html
Lol. Throw the book at 'em!
https://sports.yahoo.com/louisville...coaches-accountable-violations-155026906.html
Lol. Throw the book at 'em!
You folks are going to be in for a big let down...Otis will get a slap on the wrist and uncheat even less.
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no kiddingYou've just highlighted one of the most critical parts that will determine whether or not the banner comes down. Unfortunately, we don't know exactly who received them because of redactions in the published version of the NOA.
The COI will weigh three things when thinking about penalties:
- Which players received the benefits?
- How much did they receive?
- When did they receive them?
If however, most of these players competed for UL during their title run, then I'd expect them to lose the banner. I'd love for them to lose it, but we'll just have to wait and see.
Therein lies the benefits of hiring cheap hookers. Lowers the benefit amount. Very shrewd, Jurich, very shrewd...
actually it does
the moment a player takes extra benefits the player becomes ineligible
I agree.... been saying this for a long time now. If they come down hard on UL then what are going to do to UNC**? A lot of people are to be disappointed when the ruling comes down. We live in a different world now.
That title isn't coming down. That's a pipe dream. Pitino will get some games. I could see a loss of some schollies even, but that'd be the extent of it for the most part.
If this was 1980 and the Ncaa didnt have the fear they have today, and the money wasnt so influential, they might get close to a death penalty. One of the reasons the ncaa will let them off lightly is for damage control. The institutions run the asylum now. Its just that simple.
The only programs who the ncaa will go aftet post 98ish are small meaningless programs.
Its why i get so sick of some who say you shouldnt punish students for sins of the past players in the program. Bull, those players have every recource possible today to understand what they're getting into. Far to many coddle these athletes and want them to have their way 100%. Its ridiculous.
The only programs who the ncaa will go aftet post 98ish are small meaningless programs.
Its why i get so sick of some who say you shouldnt punish students for sins of the past players in the program. Bull, those players have every recource possible today to understand what they're getting into. Far to many coddle these athletes and want them to have their way 100%. Its ridiculous.
Louisville should have just used the Arthur defense...."Hookers? We didn't know they were hookers! We thought we were just doing well with them!"
I heard tree fitty and get that Loch ness monster outtta here .My Prediction:
The NCAA can't let themselves blow their wad before they catch Cal sneezing in a "suspicious manner" on a recruiting visit or something. Gotta save their ammo so they can really "make an example" out of us.
Cal: "Ah...ACHOOO!"
NCAA Investigator replaying tape: Y-you here that? He clearly said "Two-Fiftttyyyy!"
Louisville better hope that the NCAA doesn't decide to show that they can punish a P5 school harrshly so they can then make some excuse that it isn't the same as UNC**** when they let them off with no punishment. Clearly hookers for players is much worse than a little academic fraud for decades. After all, letting someone stay ignorant isn't as bad as exposing them to VD's. At least they'll probably use that.
I'm afraid this will be true. NCAA has lost all credibility. No consistency. Punish how they chose. I say after the slap on the wrist happens for U of L and UNC that we disolve the NCAA and go with the power 5 conferences and set new rules that are uniform and consistent. JMO
I say form a power league and don't let UNC**** and UL in until they forfeit their ill gotten NCAA titles,
****This is not my opinion, but an argument that the NCAA could use if they want to punish UofL and not UNC****
Here's the difference:
UNC provided their fake classes to athletes and reg. students
UofL provided their prostitutes to athletes only
If the NCAA wants to, they can hammer UofL and give UNC just a slap
(Maybe UofL should have opened up the Minardi Hall parties to all students so the NCAA would not be able to punish them)
Here's the difference:
UNC provided their fake classes to athletes and reg. students
UofL provided their prostitutes to athletes only
If the NCAA wants to, they can hammer UofL and give UNC just a slap
(Maybe UofL should have opened up the Minardi Hall parties to all students so the NCAA would not be able to punish them)
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That is a vapid, ignorant argument that only a participant of those fake classes would make. The NCAA decided not to investigate the wheels for Heels, drug running etc at all and concentrated on the academic fraud that kept ineligible athletes available to gain fraudulent titles and wins for decades. You are one of those cheating lovers. Take a hike. Cheater, liar, jerk. I hate anything to do with UNC**** #UNCCHEATS and the#NCAAisCORRUPT.
Losers like you perpetuate the fraud.
When I see someone with more likes than posts, I smell a troll that boosts his own like count to make people think they are not a troll, but your post is an obvious UNC**** troll post.
Chain Behanan was mentioned MANY times in the book as a fan favorite of the hookers. Said the women went crazy for him. He was HEAVILY involved, and was a major part of their Final Four and Title run.
Banners should come down if anyone has balls
Banners should come down if anyone has balls
Lighten up
I am stating what the NCAA could/will say.
I know UNC has been cheating as bad as any program for a very long time. I am in no way taking up for them. But if you look at the wording from the NCAA, they have set the table to let UNC off with just a slap. They have carefully framed this as a benefit other students received, and willfully ignored all the other stuff that would cause the hammer to be dropped on UNCheat
I am stating what the NCAA could/will say.
I know UNC has been cheating as bad as any program for a very long time. I am in no way taking up for them. But if you look at the wording from the NCAA, they have set the table to let UNC off with just a slap. They have carefully framed this as a benefit other students received, and willfully ignored all the other stuff that would cause the hammer to be dropped on UNCheat
