One of the hottest topics on this board is always the refs and the whistle. I find myself tied up in the argument all the time and my opinion is rarely popular. I love physical play man. I equally hate foul calls. So for me, the games tonight highlight the way I think games should be called. Very few fouls called in comparison to the regular season we just witnessed. Bodies flying and hitting the floor and guys playing hard. The game is flowing much better. It’s a physical game and it’s being allowed. This is what basketball should be.
The Final Four whistle…..
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No it is not. It is awful to watch. Pushing, grabbing and hacking is not fun to watch.
You are confusing basketball with football.
Basketball was never meant to be a contact sport. Lack of pure basketball skills has bastardized the sport.
A missed call here or there, but I don’t think this second game has been too bad. The first game was an atrocity, and one that was heavily slanted in one direction at that.
I hate physical play. It rewards a defender by allowing them to grab and arm bar anytime they get beat.
Duke has been extremely physical but has shot twice as many free throws as Houston
I asked Grok what a foul was.
I was SHOCKED at the answer!
In basketball, a foul is a violation of the rules that involves illegal physical contact with an opponent or unsportsmanlike behavior. When a foul is committed, the game is typically stopped, and penalties or free throws may be awarded to the opposing team, depending on the situation and the type of foul.
There are several types of fouls in basketball, but here are the most common categories:
1. **Personal Foul**: This occurs when a player makes illegal physical contact with an opponent, such as pushing, holding, tripping, or hitting. Examples include blocking a player's movement, grabbing their jersey, or making excessive contact while defending. Each player is allowed a limited number of personal fouls (usually 5 in the NBA or 6 in college/high school) before they "foul out" and can no longer play in the game.
2. **Shooting Foul**: A subset of personal fouls, this happens when a defender illegally contacts a player in the act of shooting. The shooter is awarded free throws—typically two or three, depending on whether the shot was attempted from inside or beyond the three-point line and whether it was successful.
3. **Technical Foul**: This is called for unsportsmanlike conduct or rule violations not involving physical contact with an opponent. Examples include arguing with a referee, using profanity, or delaying the game. A technical foul results in the opposing team getting a free throw and possession of the ball.
4. **Flagrant Foul**: A more severe foul involving excessive or unnecessary contact, often with intent to harm. These are rarer and can lead to free throws, possession for the opposing team, and potentially ejection of the player who committed the foul.
5. **Team Foul**: This isn’t a specific action but a count of personal fouls accumulated by a team during a period (e.g., a quarter or half). Once a team exceeds a certain number of fouls (e.g., 4 in the NBA per quarter), the opposing team enters the "bonus," meaning they get free throws for most subsequent fouls, even non-shooting ones.
The exact rules and consequences can vary slightly depending on the league (e.g., NBA, NCAA, FIBA), but the core idea is to maintain fair play and safety. Does that cover what you were looking for, or did you want more detail on something specific?
I was SHOCKED at the answer!
In basketball, a foul is a violation of the rules that involves illegal physical contact with an opponent or unsportsmanlike behavior. When a foul is committed, the game is typically stopped, and penalties or free throws may be awarded to the opposing team, depending on the situation and the type of foul.
There are several types of fouls in basketball, but here are the most common categories:
1. **Personal Foul**: This occurs when a player makes illegal physical contact with an opponent, such as pushing, holding, tripping, or hitting. Examples include blocking a player's movement, grabbing their jersey, or making excessive contact while defending. Each player is allowed a limited number of personal fouls (usually 5 in the NBA or 6 in college/high school) before they "foul out" and can no longer play in the game.
2. **Shooting Foul**: A subset of personal fouls, this happens when a defender illegally contacts a player in the act of shooting. The shooter is awarded free throws—typically two or three, depending on whether the shot was attempted from inside or beyond the three-point line and whether it was successful.
3. **Technical Foul**: This is called for unsportsmanlike conduct or rule violations not involving physical contact with an opponent. Examples include arguing with a referee, using profanity, or delaying the game. A technical foul results in the opposing team getting a free throw and possession of the ball.
4. **Flagrant Foul**: A more severe foul involving excessive or unnecessary contact, often with intent to harm. These are rarer and can lead to free throws, possession for the opposing team, and potentially ejection of the player who committed the foul.
5. **Team Foul**: This isn’t a specific action but a count of personal fouls accumulated by a team during a period (e.g., a quarter or half). Once a team exceeds a certain number of fouls (e.g., 4 in the NBA per quarter), the opposing team enters the "bonus," meaning they get free throws for most subsequent fouls, even non-shooting ones.
The exact rules and consequences can vary slightly depending on the league (e.g., NBA, NCAA, FIBA), but the core idea is to maintain fair play and safety. Does that cover what you were looking for, or did you want more detail on something specific?
You’d rather see 40 fouls called and a million game stoppages for foul shots? Insanity.
Like I said. My opinion on physical play isn’t popular. I like a shorter faster game and I like it rough. I hate foul shots. Boring as hell. I own it
Totally disagree but to each his own. Football season ended several months ago.
If the game of basketball is played by highly skilled players that play sound fundamental basketball, there is not a lot of fouling.
No hacking, pushing, shoving, holding, hooking.....
Coaches, players, and officials have brought the outdoor game inside.
It doesn’t have to be one or the other. I would rather see teams learn to play defense by moving their feet and not by holding and slapping nonstop. As long as they insist on doing that, I’d rather see it called than turn everything into a wrestling match though.
Figure of speech bubba. Of course the number is not a million. But in my opinion the refs should have cut their foul calls by about 40% or at least 25%. The games this year to me were unwatchable. I mean, every damn game was over 2 hours long.
Today’s athletes are so much more physically impressive compared to a couple decades ago. They have had all the advantages is training and technology. Everyone is explosive and every scheme enables fast play. There will be contact now more than ever. Let it happen. We fans can be conditioned to accept a new game with longer stretches of uninterrupted play and less fouls. The players will also adapt.
So the best solution to the problem of too many fouls is to stop calling them.
Is that your position? Bubba?
100 percent
I NEVER said there are too many fouls. I said there are too many fouls called. Huge difference.
It also rewards the offense as well. I can't recall a year, where I've seen more blatant push offs by shooters to create space for themselves. Whether it's drives to the basket, or step back jumpers. It's very rarely called and I don't think that's a good thing. I'm afraid it will only continue.
The problem is the coaches who instruct their teams to foul. Tennessee Quit their grab, hack foul approach as soon as SEC play was over. If officials got control of our league it would stop. I don’t believe the SEC wants clean basketball. Makes it easier to control the outcomes.
If 40 fouls are committed I want to see 40 fouls called.
Our first two tourney games had few fouls and were pretty free flowing. They were a breathe of fresh air after the SEC grind. Funny how the grabfests follow Shows.
THIS. The NFL wanted targeting to be a serious rule and the players figured out other ways to tackle.
Same can happen in basketball.
DON'T. FOUL.
And no, I'm not a purist. I recognize there will be some incidental bumping from time to time and some physical play. But you don't put your hands on somebody. Period. Basketball is a skill game that's supposed to be about scoring and speed, not who can out-wrestle somebody else.
Shows is way worse than a rooferee. He's an insurance salesman in Rome, GA. He also has interests in a lot of local businesses in that area, and owns multiple commercial properties. Shows pooped on the paperwork from that scammy fixed annuity and whole life policy he tried to sell me.
Pope seems to have figured that out quick. He said he was surprised by how physical things were in the SEC. In his press conferences he outright said that the kids he recruits going forward are going to have to be capable of physical play and have the endurance to sustain said play. I think that has a lot to do with some of the supposed "whiffs" in the portal. if you are weak, don't apply.
The modern game is ugly. Real ugly. I just wish that the refereeing was on the level instead of being corrupt shite. If you want a football game on the hardwood, fine, just call it even.
Just stopping by to say how atrocious that foul call was on Flagg , and how glorious it was at the same time . Kudos to the moronic ref
It was a REALLY BAD call at that juncture of the game (let them play!). That being said, like you, I was so thankful for it!!! 🤣
He just like most people want the refs and the leagues to clean up the game. Once they do that it will be a much better product. Two hour games, freedom of movement, better flow, more action and more enjoyable for players and fans.
Yes, but they should be consistent all season and not call it differently in the playoffs. I agree that too many fouls are called in regular season. Refs need to call obvious fouls and not what looks like a foul.
That sequence proves my point. That whistle should have been swallowed. Then there would be no uproar.
Bingo. I hope they sit down with the tape and realize the tournament product was a much better product and it wasn’t a sloppy bloodbath that people feared it would be with a more liberal whistle.
Heck a lot of fouls called are just assumed. There’s isn’t even any contact at all but they’ve seen that play so many times and it typically ends in a foul so let’s blow the whistle. Almost every single contested layup results in a foul. Horrible.
To each their own, but a problem that comes with games called like the OP suggests is that after 38 minutes of a wrestling match we get one of our favorites in stripes calling a touch foul 35 feet from the basket that changes a game.
Defense should be played with your feet and brains, the increased size and athleticism doesn't change that. Reaching and grabbing only happen when you've been beaten to a spot. But I fear that with clowns like LaBron being idolized in the NBA, and the willingness of that league to be more like WWF, purist basketball is a fading memory.
Pete Marivich would be totally unsuccessful in today's game because his defender would just grab and body-check him.
But, I digress. Duke lost. Ha ha.
GBB!
Defense should be played with your feet and brains, the increased size and athleticism doesn't change that. Reaching and grabbing only happen when you've been beaten to a spot. But I fear that with clowns like LaBron being idolized in the NBA, and the willingness of that league to be more like WWF, purist basketball is a fading memory.
Pete Marivich would be totally unsuccessful in today's game because his defender would just grab and body-check him.
But, I digress. Duke lost. Ha ha.
GBB!
I don’t want to wade too deep into muddy waters but I think the country as a whole has undergone a softening from top to bottom. In relation, masculinity is under attack in this day and age. But I’ll keep it within the sports realm. You can’t even look at a QB without getting a targeting flag. You can’t break up a pass without a targeting flag. If you watch a baseball game, the players head to the plate with 10 pounds of extra crap strapped to their body and when they get to first we have to wait for them to remove their armor and then put on an oven mitt so they can run the bases. It’s soft. Sports is softening.
Competition is in our blood as humans. Competition should look like a struggle. It should look physical and hard. Success should be married to physical conditioning and training. I love the primal nature of sports. The blood sweat snd tears. I hate to see the games decided by dad bods in striped shirts.
Everyone keeps shunning this notion because it will become football on the hardwood. That’s not what I’m championing. I want 25-40% less fouls called, thus eliminating the ticky tack fouls and the assumed fouls. The hand check fouls 60 feet from the basket. The players will learn how far they can push it and true fouls will still be called. We stop the game too much. I’d also like to see the bonus pushed out further to discourage teams that go hunting for fouls.
Competition is in our blood as humans. Competition should look like a struggle. It should look physical and hard. Success should be married to physical conditioning and training. I love the primal nature of sports. The blood sweat snd tears. I hate to see the games decided by dad bods in striped shirts.
Everyone keeps shunning this notion because it will become football on the hardwood. That’s not what I’m championing. I want 25-40% less fouls called, thus eliminating the ticky tack fouls and the assumed fouls. The hand check fouls 60 feet from the basket. The players will learn how far they can push it and true fouls will still be called. We stop the game too much. I’d also like to see the bonus pushed out further to discourage teams that go hunting for fouls.
If Yates winds up here. for a CG he is certainly built for it.
That Florida auburn game had like 5 game minute segments without scoring and fooled me for a football game.
I don’t want a rig by whistle but slaps that can be heard in the upper deck need to be called. Tackles need to be called.
I don’t want a rig by whistle but slaps that can be heard in the upper deck need to be called. Tackles need to be called.
If think today’s games are physical I invite you to watch basketball from the 80s or 90s. I todays game the offensive player is much more protected since it is a point of emphasis.
Some officials will never "adapt".
Thus the 3 hour games with 50+ free throws.
The game needs to be cleaned up.
I thought the amount of uncalled contact at the basket was at an all time high this year. If you're are driving to get fouled, good luck.
IMO there is a foul / penalty officials could call on every play in basketball and football- do u want to see them all called or none at all
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