Televangelist needs a private jet & wants donors to pay for it
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Faith is a good church. I attend Mount Moriah. You've probably driven past it before. We're next to the Wal-Mart on Rivers next to Chuck E Cheese! Here's our website:
Mount Moriah Missionary Baptist
Haha, that preacherman wants to get some mile high club booty. I think we all know what he's talking about when he says he wants to "spread the gospel".
Stipulation: Creflo Dollar is a money-grubbing crook. So are any other preachers (or leaders of charities) who use donations to live a luxurious lifestyle. Money made from their book sales is earned income in my opinion.
There are dozens of websites that expose them - and give the reasons. Most of those who expose them are other Christians. Most Christians are appalled at many of the things those tv preachers/evangelists do to raise money, keeping much of it for themselves. We feel sorry for those poor naive suckers who fall for the pitch.
Christians give because the last commandment Jesus gave His followers was to "go and make disciples of all nations ..., teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you" (Matt 28:19) To be effective in doing that in recent history requires infrastructure. Preachers/pastors to help teach the Word and attend to the congregation's spiritual needs. Missionaries to take the gospel to other places throughout the world. Staff to help with the myriad things the church wants to do. Meeting facilities, etc. Since that requires money, Jesus' followers voluntarily give to support that. We believe that is a vitally important mission and we want to help accomplish it.
Do some Christian organizations abuse the use of the donations that are made to them? Of course they do. But I dare say 98% of them do not. Sadly, we only hear about the bad ones that do get caught with hands in the cookie jar.
There is good news however. The followers of Jesus and those who believe in the mission are the only ones asked to voluntarily foot the bill. All others are off the hook. Common sense tells us to give wisely and be wary of where the money is going. Even Christians who agree with the mission, but do not give, are still welcome in the church.
There are dozens of websites that expose them - and give the reasons. Most of those who expose them are other Christians. Most Christians are appalled at many of the things those tv preachers/evangelists do to raise money, keeping much of it for themselves. We feel sorry for those poor naive suckers who fall for the pitch.
Christians give because the last commandment Jesus gave His followers was to "go and make disciples of all nations ..., teaching them to observe everything I have commanded you" (Matt 28:19) To be effective in doing that in recent history requires infrastructure. Preachers/pastors to help teach the Word and attend to the congregation's spiritual needs. Missionaries to take the gospel to other places throughout the world. Staff to help with the myriad things the church wants to do. Meeting facilities, etc. Since that requires money, Jesus' followers voluntarily give to support that. We believe that is a vitally important mission and we want to help accomplish it.
Do some Christian organizations abuse the use of the donations that are made to them? Of course they do. But I dare say 98% of them do not. Sadly, we only hear about the bad ones that do get caught with hands in the cookie jar.
There is good news however. The followers of Jesus and those who believe in the mission are the only ones asked to voluntarily foot the bill. All others are off the hook. Common sense tells us to give wisely and be wary of where the money is going. Even Christians who agree with the mission, but do not give, are still welcome in the church.
I have found that God is a personal God. When Jesus said the hairs on your head are numbered, and that God feeds the birds, I have found that to be personally true. I have found that when you invite Him into your life, He accepts your request. While still a flawed person, He changed my life, and hears my prayers. I believe in Heaven for those who want to go there. I don't think this life is all there is, in fact it is secondary to what is to come.
I've often discussed the historical/intellectual aspects of the existence of God and Christianity here, but this is my personal 2 cents worth.
Maybe I was wrong, you may not have a functioning brain, you missed the jokeOriginally posted by IdaCat:
I know the evidence and it supports my conclusion. All you have is wishful thinking and debunked hogwash.Originally posted by warrior-cat:
Well, you still seem to know something. There's the proof.
I can't help myself. These post happen all of the time and we get the same responses from the same people. A little levity seemed necessary.Originally posted by IdaCat:
Ha ha warrior. I did miss the joke.
You clown! This is supposed to be serious business!
My dad gave tens of thousands of dollars to these TBN ministries and it was one of the many things that drove me away from religion.
IdaCat, when the subject of religion comes up, is that guy in the gif that bangs his head on the computer keyboard until the blood comes squirting out (can someone post it?). There can be no thread so obscure or hard to locate in which even a minor mention of religion occurs that he can't sniff it out and add his hateful remarks. Rather than dissuading people he does more to re-enforce people's religious beliefs than any evangelist on here.Originally posted by warrior-cat:
Maybe I was wrong, you may not have a functioning brain, you missed the jokeOriginally posted by IdaCat:
I know the evidence and it supports my conclusion. All you have is wishful thinking and debunked hogwash.Originally posted by warrior-cat:
Well, you still seem to know something. There's the proof.
True. The degree to which God's true followers are faithful has no bearing on God's truth. It does however cause nonbelievers to turn away from God at times.To cause someone to turn away from God because of our moral failures ought to be something that concerns every believer. It will not excuse those who turn away but neither, I believe, will the believer go unaccountable for it.
On one hand, he obviously wouldn't ask if he didn't really need it. On the other, if Jesus thinks he should have a jet, he'll get one. That's how Jesus works: if you ask everybody (I mean everybody) and you still don't get something, Jesus just gives it to you. It doesn't really matter what it is, but you have to prove to Him that you've exhausted all other resources before bothering Him about it. It's actually a pretty good deal.
Tolstoy, while completely convinced the Gospel was true, was often very frustrated in his own ability to live Christ-like. He also asked that people to not reject Christ because of the actions of Christians, or of himself.
This post was edited on 3/19 3:26 PM by wkycatfan
This post was edited on 3/19 3:26 PM by wkycatfan
I live in California and because of the story I told early in this thread, it has been extremely difficult to find a church that isn't manipulative when it comes to teaching of tithing. There are so many BS positions that are considered full-time at these churches where as in Kentucky, they were volunteer positions.
I don't give money to churches at all because I have zero desire to pay someone else's salary when they don't work nearly as long or as hard as I do (not everyone is like that, I know but from what I see, this rings true). I grew up and went to a church where the pastor had an actual job and then preached due to his love and calling. I then went to Lexington and had an amazing church that was small but is now growing bigger but still, the preacher has lived a modest life and doesn't waste money on luxury vacations or unnecessary cosmetic things for his building. So that is why I am so bothered by the garbage that so many churches teach today and how they use finances.
If I am going to give, I want to make sure its going where it needs to go and to people who actually need it; not those who use the church as a business and get to use it as a way to do whatever they want without working a regular job. It really bothers me. This is more in regards to the staff positions that are not the head pastor. Too many of them get to do minimal work and then tell you God says to give me money. I'm pretty sure he called to give to orphans and widows; not to those who are lazy and don't want an actual job.
I don't give money to churches at all because I have zero desire to pay someone else's salary when they don't work nearly as long or as hard as I do (not everyone is like that, I know but from what I see, this rings true). I grew up and went to a church where the pastor had an actual job and then preached due to his love and calling. I then went to Lexington and had an amazing church that was small but is now growing bigger but still, the preacher has lived a modest life and doesn't waste money on luxury vacations or unnecessary cosmetic things for his building. So that is why I am so bothered by the garbage that so many churches teach today and how they use finances.
If I am going to give, I want to make sure its going where it needs to go and to people who actually need it; not those who use the church as a business and get to use it as a way to do whatever they want without working a regular job. It really bothers me. This is more in regards to the staff positions that are not the head pastor. Too many of them get to do minimal work and then tell you God says to give me money. I'm pretty sure he called to give to orphans and widows; not to those who are lazy and don't want an actual job.
My bad Wkycat, re-read your post. It makes sense now. I thought you were using Tolstoy as an authentic reference to validate some kind of religious truth.Originally posted by wkycatfan:
Originally posted by Willy4UK:
Tolstoy??? I don't mean to laugh, but I did when I read this.
Case is settled, there's a god because Tolstoy said so.
@Willy, I could see how you misunderstood my main point, of not judging Christianity by the actions of 'Christians'.
However, I would lying if I said that I wasn't using Tolstoy (a greater writer and intellect IMO) as a defender of the truth of the Gospel. A pet peeve of mine is that Atheists/Agnostics have a monopoly on all the thinkers.
This post was edited on 3/20 9:17 AM by wkycatfan
However, I would lying if I said that I wasn't using Tolstoy (a greater writer and intellect IMO) as a defender of the truth of the Gospel. A pet peeve of mine is that Atheists/Agnostics have a monopoly on all the thinkers.
This post was edited on 3/20 9:17 AM by wkycatfan
Although one wonders if "War and
Peace" would have been as highly acclaimed as it was if it was published under it's
original name "War---What Is It Good For?"
Peace" would have been as highly acclaimed as it was if it was published under it's
original name "War---What Is It Good For?"
Your credibility is shot dude. I too like some of the Sermon on the Mount, but I'm not going to do a Jeffersonian style Bible rewrite, cutting out the bullshit like Tolstoy did. Also, I don't have time to check every Russian you pull out of your ass for whatever dumb point you're trying to make. Give it up. You suck at history.
This post was edited on 3/23 2:57 PM by IdaCat
