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You'd probably be shocked by how large the percentage is of Americans who haven't heard about Drake, let alone Kendrick Lamar. My wife had absolutely no idea who Kendrick Lamar was before the Super Bowl (and sure as hell will not be listening to him after, I assure you.)

That was just a terrible niche choice for what should be the most inclusive music event in the world. It reeked of the decision-makers being too online and not understanding their audience.

What music does your wife listen to? Kendrick Lamar and Drake are two of the biggest names in music going back well over a decade. This beef is just a new thing that people have grabbed onto, but it doesn't translate to NFL fans, and was a miss.

Hell, I have no idea what a bad bunny/jelly roll/Morgan wallen song sounds like but can tell you that they are some of the most popular artists in the world. That doesn't mean shit about whether the quality of the music was good.

Again, I wasn't a fan of the production and felt like having Kendrick singing back to back songs rapid fire would sound too similar for a casual audience. Hell, bringing in Future or any of his other collaborators would have done wonders for the quality of the show. It's why previous rap artists have done well as the halftime show.
 
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I was told in the Taylor Swift thread that Kendrick Lamar was an artist. I have heard of him so I'm watching it right now.

I've played music for >45 years so I'm not an uneducated hack. I see not much artistry in what I'm watching. Mainly a drum machine with a few synth chords thrown in every so often. No melody from the vocalist, just rapid fire rhythmic rhymes. I don't expect pop music to rival Bach and Mozart. But this type of 'artistry' really seems like least common denominator type stuff.

Serious question: how do any of these types of artists distinguish themselves? There is not singular musicianship, choreography, melodic content, etc.

I won't say it sucks. There's just nothing to it. I would put it alongside modern art where the artist just randomly throws paint on a canvas and declares it 'art'.

In 25 years, will Kendrick Lamar music be remembered or still be influential? I would highly doubt it.
He is a 22 time Grammy award winner, has won a Pulitzer prize for music, still in his zone, WTF do you think ? Rap / Hip Hop is best in studio version, live rap concerts for some reason just does not come out anything like the studio version. But music ? How about the A Minorrrrrrr ????? (joke). I am 57, and I know the answer to your question, YES. He is very intelligent and witty, he knows music.

Serena being there as like everything Kendrick Lamar does, was calculated and there for a reason. Drake followed Serena on the ATP Tour and attended not just major tournaments, but also smaller ones starting in 2011. In 2015 while she was still a highly rated Tennis star, Drake wrote a song about her "Too Good". In 2022 Drake called her husband (Co-founder of Reddit) a "groupie" in the song "Middle of the Ocean". It was odd, and Kendrick has a line in Not Like Us that says "better not speak on Serena" (She is from Compton, same as Lamar). As with the song, he brought out Serena to defend her, give her a opportunity to strike back at Drake, and himself continue his grudge against Drake. Like I said, everything he does is calculated and has a purpose, although you may not see them in plain view.
Listen to him a little more, he does more than "rap", he has several features with quite a few big artist. Listen to his lyrics, they have a meaning and he is not just a rapper out there bragging about money, drugs, and women. In several of his songs he appears to be using women in a negative light, when in all actuality, he is defending women.

It is odd you say he does nothing in the form of music, but on his studio albums, he uses several older Motown, Jazz, and Blues artists music in his songs. He is more than "just" a drum machine, actually the reason MOST hip hop fans who do not like his style, it is because he doesn't just use Club banger beats and actually uses music not normally associated with Hip Hop / Rap in his songs.
 
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What music does your wife listen to? Kendrick Lamar and Drake are two of the biggest names in music going back well over a decade. This beef is just a new thing that people have grabbed onto, but it doesn't translate to NFL fans, and was a miss.
Generic Top 40 pop. She knows who Drake is. She hates rap so telling her about a Drake / Kendrick Lamar beef is like showing a dog a card trick.

Seems like that is a pretty majority opinion.
 
Same. KL show sucked. But, most live rap sucks.

KL couldn’t hang with
Ice cube
Too short
Snoop
OutKast
Eazy
Cypress hill
LOL, you are just being contrarian here. Eazy E ? he didn't write ONE single lyric, Dre, Ice Cube and others wrote them for him, he was the money man that helped get the group started. Outkast ? Snoop ? (one of the worst highly popular rappers), NO ONE on your list can do what Kendrick Lamar does, not even close. Not ONE person who knows hip hop would list ANY of those you listed in their top 5, and for a reason. If you do not have KL at LEAST top 10, you are just trying to be "different". Stop it !!!! Eazy E, LOL, you lost ALL credibility when I read his name, not even getting to the others on your list. No need.
 
Generic Top 40 pop. She knows who Drake is. She hates rap so telling her about a Drake / Kendrick Lamar beef is like showing a dog a card trick.

Seems like that is a pretty majority opinion.

I can share that sentiment as I know I would probably dislike Jelly Roll/Morgan Wallen/Bad Bunny but I'm not about to assume I'm in the majority for that just because I dislike a genre.

It wasn't a good show, but Kendrick is still an excellent rapper and showman.

Edit : Let me also say it's disingenuous to just say you don't get it or it isn't for you. To hardcore rap fans who like Kendrick (not the majority of super bowl viewers) they probably loved it. I know Clown did. But for people that enjoy hip hop from afar (like me) I can see why someone with even a modest interest in rap wouldn't enjoy that show.
 
I just don't hear anything special from him. Cube, dre, Snoop, pac, biggie, legends. I don't think Lamar will be even close to how revered they are now in 25 years. Of course I might be dead and gone anyway lol.
He already is. 2PAC is my favorite rapper of all time, K-Dot is getting REALLY close. 1 and 1A.
 
@Irish Beck

I didn't say my wife is in the majority because she doesn't like rap (although that may actually be a slight majority opinion, despite what you may think). I said a majority of people watching last night had at best a passing knowledge of this stupid rap beef. If the majority of the people watching something need an explanation to enjoy it -- especially something like the Super Bowl that is literally supposed to be for everyone -- it is an abject failure.

I've made this point elsewhere but last night was the same as if the powers that be hired Hannah Gatsby to do the most important stand-up comedy slot of the year.

That doesn't even get into the fact that the Super Bowl is supposed to be as Americana an event as it could be. Why is the chorus to the most important song at the halftime show about pedophilia? Is that where we want to be as a nation?

Just an absolutely terrible decision however you look at it and, frankly, a bunch of 30 year old white guys trying to take up for it is doing exactly zero to make me change my mind.
 
You'd probably be shocked by how large the percentage is of Americans who haven't heard about Drake, let alone Kendrick Lamar. My wife had absolutely no idea who Kendrick Lamar was before the Super Bowl (and sure as hell will not be listening to him after, I assure you.)

That was just a terrible niche choice for what should be the most inclusive music event in the world. It reeked of the decision-makers being too online and not understanding their audience.

Get real. Nobody cares about people who don’t even know who Drake is.

That diss catapulted K.Dot to a different level. I just left Colombia and all you hear down there is Bad Bunny and K.Dot. You didn’t hear him before he took down their favorite American errr Canadian artist.

^ None of that means the halftime show was good. It wasn’t, but it sure wasn’t the worst either.
 
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Googled USA Today for top 10 concerts for 2024.


The winner is...... ELO.
I remember several years ago Ted Nugent was on Bill Maher show and Maher tried to make a joke about him being irrelevant. Nugent pointed out that his tour with Kiss was the biggest tour of the year and like top 10 all time. It just keeps reinforcing in my mind that exec's are looking at the wrong numbers to decide what's popular. Too much of a bubble around NY/LA. I think Swift has the largest tour of all time so exec's think everyone likes her... but she just has an insanely loyal base. Outside her base she has very little appeal. Modern media can't reconcile that difference though.

I think I saw where no rock song has been #1 on billboard since around 2004. You can't convince me that people just stopped liking rock. There has to still be people out there putting out good rock music.... but the industry has decided they aren't going to push that for whatever reason... I guess because it's cheaper on their end.
 
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I remember several years ago Ted Nugent was on Bill Maher show and Maher tried to make a joke about him being irrelevant. Nugent pointed out that his tour with Kiss was the biggest tour of the year and like top 10 all time. It just keeps reinforcing in my mind that exec's are looking at the wrong numbers to decide what's popular. Too much of a bubble around NY/LA. I think Swift has the largest tour of all time so exec's think everyone likes her... but she just has an insanely loyal base. Outside her base she has very little appeal. Modern media can't reconcile that difference though.

I think I saw where no rock song has been #1 on billboard since around 2004. You can't convince me that people just stopped liking rock. There has to still be people out there putting out good rock music.... but the industry has decided they aren't going to push that for whatever reason... I guess because it's cheaper on their end.
Follow the money. It is so difficult to monetize the product. There isn't really for the "band" structure to sell. There is always going to be a lead singer who gets all the attention. He decides, why do I need to split the money equally with the drummer and the bass guitarist. So you set up your camera in your basement studio and hit record. Then upload to TikTok hoping you go viral. Its tough. Unless you are Greta Van Fleet and 3/4 family....its tough to operate as a band, even while ripping off Zep.
 
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@Irish Beck

I didn't say my wife is in the majority because she doesn't like rap (although that may actually be a slight majority opinion, despite what you may think). I said a majority of people watching last night had at best a passing knowledge of this stupid rap beef. If the majority of the people watching something need an explanation to enjoy it -- especially something like the Super Bowl that is literally supposed to be for everyone -- it is an abject failure.

I've made this point elsewhere but last night was the same as if the powers that be hired Hannah Gatsby to do the most important stand-up comedy slot of the year.

That doesn't even get into the fact that the Super Bowl is supposed to be as Americana an event as it could be. Why is the chorus to the most important song at the halftime show about pedophilia? Is that where we want to

My bad, you made it sound like you were saying the majority of Americans didn't know who Kendrick Lamar and Drake are, which would be impossible to prove one way or the other but seems unlikely.

I'm not following your take on the Super Bowl halftime show being "Americana" and "For Everybody". I have liked exactly two shows in the past 15 years (Bruno Mars and the Eminem/50/Snoop/Dre collab) and only slightly enjoyed the Weeknd and Usher. Those are all more mainstream and likable artists, but you aren't going to see me lining up to support Maroon 5, Madonna, Jennifer Lopez/Shakira and Rhianna. I still think they put on good shows though, which is the actual intention. It's to draw in audiences that wouldn't otherwise watch the Super Bowl. I don't think Kendirck Lamar did that and I don't think he was a good choice but the slander he's getting for performing is kind of ridiculous.

Also, we are so past clutching pearls as a country, you kidding me? When nearly every single artist this century has had a song with some form of implied or overt sexual connotation, it's weird to get up in arms about a song in which Kendrick rightfully calls out Drake's suspicious behavior around younger women. You posted that like Kendrick is advocating for pedophilia when he's trying to draw attention to the fact that one of the biggest artists in music has a weird history of messaging young women (Millie Bobbie Brown was getting groomed by him at 14, he was 30) and outright saying a woman was too young to be grinding on him onstage only to proceed to start kissing all over her.

But, again, there's depth to their beef and the high point of the song is the section about pedophilia when he also discusses a lot about hip hop culture and how Drake isn't really a part of that. But you don't like KL, so there isn't a point in deep diving on that further.
 
I remember several years ago Ted Nugent was on Bill Maher show and Maher tried to make a joke about him being irrelevant. Nugent pointed out that his tour with Kiss was the biggest tour of the year and like top 10 all time. It just keeps reinforcing in my mind that exec's are looking at the wrong numbers to decide what's popular. Too much of a bubble around NY/LA. I think Swift has the largest tour of all time so exec's think everyone likes her... but she just has an insanely loyal base. Outside her base she has very little appeal. Modern media can't reconcile that difference though.

I think I saw where no rock song has been #1 on billboard since around 2004. You can't convince me that people just stopped liking rock. There has to still be people out there putting out good rock music.... but the industry has decided they aren't going to push that for whatever reason... I guess because it's cheaper on their end.

The interviewer was right. Ted Nugent hasn't released an album since 2004 and hasn't charted any music of any kind since 1981. His relevancy is more because of his political takes than anything he has done with a guitar in his hand. Kiss was carrying a ton of weight on that tour and it shows. I guarantee there were plenty of people there to hear Cat Scratch Fever and Stranglehold (which is an amazing song) but I don't think people were falling over themselves to see the Nuge (a man who admittedly enjoys the younger women himself) "on tour".

If a rock band came out in 2025 and took off on Social media, they would be signed and shot through the roof. None of them do because rock is dead. Someone mentioned Great van Fleet and even they barely tread water in that space. And those little shits have the audacity to act like Led Zeppelin isn't their main influence when they sound like a direct, and much poorer, rip off.

Most popular rock now is jock rock (which was formerly hard rock) that meat heads can listen to without having to say they like metal.
 
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I listened to rap my whole life. This isn't as good as Too Short, NWA, Big Daddy Kane, Marley Marl, Digital Underground... I think you want to put a label on people for having taste. LOL.
Got anyone that was popular after 1990? Lol
 
Got anyone that was popular after 1990? Lol
Tupac, Snoop, Eminem.... point remains the same... new rap just isn't as good as the older stuff. You could argue lyrics are better or faster but the music isn't anywhere near as good or creative.
 
Taylor Swift’s last tour generated $2 billion in ticket sales. Billion. For someone who apparently only appeals to a very limited base, that’s pretty good, I suppose.
 
My bad, you made it sound like you were saying the majority of Americans didn't know who Kendrick Lamar and Drake are, which would be impossible to prove one way or the other but seems unlikely.

I'm not following your take on the Super Bowl halftime show being "Americana" and "For Everybody". I have liked exactly two shows in the past 15 years (Bruno Mars and the Eminem/50/Snoop/Dre collab) and only slightly enjoyed the Weeknd and Usher. Those are all more mainstream and likable artists, but you aren't going to see me lining up to support Maroon 5, Madonna, Jennifer Lopez/Shakira and Rhianna. I still think they put on good shows though, which is the actual intention. It's to draw in audiences that wouldn't otherwise watch the Super Bowl. I don't think Kendirck Lamar did that and I don't think he was a good choice but the slander he's getting for performing is kind of ridiculous.

Also, we are so past clutching pearls as a country, you kidding me? When nearly every single artist this century has had a song with some form of implied or overt sexual connotation, it's weird to get up in arms about a song in which Kendrick rightfully calls out Drake's suspicious behavior around younger women. You posted that like Kendrick is advocating for pedophilia when he's trying to draw attention to the fact that one of the biggest artists in music has a weird history of messaging young women (Millie Bobbie Brown was getting groomed by him at 14, he was 30) and outright saying a woman was too young to be grinding on him onstage only to proceed to start kissing all over her.

But, again, there's depth to their beef and the high point of the song is the section about pedophilia when he also discusses a lot about hip hop culture and how Drake isn't really a part of that. But you don't like KL, so there isn't a point in deep diving on that further.
I'm not really sure how to make my point about the Super Bowl halftime show being about crossover appeal any clearer. The entire point of Bruno Mars, 50 etc, Rhianna, etc is that those acts appeal to a wide swath of the American viewing public. You obviously have niche tastes so those acts don't appeal to you. You know who those acts do appeal to -- women and kids who otherwise don't want to watch the effing Super Bowl.

Every time you try to explain more about Kendrick Lamar, I want to listen to him less. He could be the Wyld Stallyns of our time and go on to heal the world, but my point remains that if I have to listen to a dork on a message board (no offense) explain the lyrics of Super Bowl halftime act, that act sucked ass and whoever made the decision to greenlight it ought to be fired immediately.

Absolutely nothing about last night made me want to listen to Kendrick Lamar another second in my lifetime.
 
Do you think that KL even knows what Am is in music? He was fed that and likely still has no idea what it is.
Yes he does. He writes all of his lyrics, and is hands on in every aspect of the production stage of an album. Songwriting, compositions, mixing, mastering, melodies, high octaves, low octaves, he has a very good understanding of music. He won a Pulitzer Prize in music, only artist outside of jazz and classical music to win one. He is heavily influenced and uses jazz, funk, soul, and R&B in his music, he was actually named after Eddie Kendricks of the Temptations. Graduated high school as a straight A student.

To label him as a dumb rapper who just gets on the mic and raps lyrics given to him is about as short sighted as one can be. He is extremely hard on himself to be a perfectionist, and works hours and hours to get songs to exactly how he wants it. Like I stated above, he is not some dumb, black kid from the hood who struck it rich, he worked very hard to get where he is, and I would venture to say, he knows more about music than you could ever know. Your typical stereotyping him is pretty clear what your beliefs are.
 
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I'm not really sure how to make my point about the Super Bowl halftime show being about crossover appeal any clearer. The entire point of Bruno Mars, 50 etc, Rhianna, etc is that those acts appeal to a wide swath of the American viewing public. You obviously have niche tastes so those acts don't appeal to you. You know who those acts do appeal to -- women and kids who otherwise don't want to watch the effing Super Bowl.

Every time you try to explain more about Kendrick Lamar, I want to listen to him less. He could be the Wyld Stallyns of our time and go on to heal the world, but my point remains that if I have to listen to a dork on a message board (no offense) explain the lyrics of Super Bowl halftime act, that act sucked ass and whoever made the decision to greenlight it ought to be fired immediately.

Absolutely nothing about last night made me want to listen to Kendrick Lamar another second in my lifetime.

I have to dork out because you keep tripping over yourself to explain your disgust for something you clearly didn't understand (why is pedophilia on my TV?).

But, either way, there were plenty of people who enjoyed the show and guys like me (who agree with you that he wasn't the best pick for the show and the show itself wasn't great) who think there are plenty of other artists it could have been.

I'm just arguing that those diminishing KL becuase they didn't like the performance are being intentionally dense.

I'm stunned it wasn't Chappell Roan to be honest.
 
Does it have to be music at halftime? The rap soap opera from this year and seeing the popularity of the fake wrastlin thread gives me the idea that 14 minutes of wrastlin and puffy wrastlin smack talk would go over big with a segment of the BBN population. Let’s mix it up!!

Maybe, a halftime dog show? Hotdog eating contest?

What other halftime shows can we come up with that don’t focus on music?
 
I have to dork out because you keep tripping over yourself to explain your disgust for something you clearly didn't understand (why is pedophilia on my TV?).
When I said, "Maybe it was a terrible decision to pick an act that requires an explanation for a large percentage of the viewing audience to enjoy", I wasn't asking you to explain the lyrics to me.

Rather the opposite, actually.
 
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I'll preface this by saying i've never cared one iota about any halftime shows at the super bowl. There will never be any band i listen to do it so there is no need for me to care and i'm not looking to be entertained at halftime, anyway. And I'm certainly not watching the super bowl halftime act for new listening possibilities.

If i'm at home watching, i'll turn the channel to something else until the actual game comes back on. However, i've been places (parties at a friend's house, sports bar, etc) where it wasn't turned off, so i've watched a few, one of which was last night. It was just plain boring. SLJ was just goofy and completely unnecessary. My wife listens to all kinds of music, and loved the Dre/Snoop/Eminem halftime and the one last year, said the same thing. Just boring.

That does not mean that KL isn't good at what he does. Just a tough spot to be in, especially with his style. Just doesn't translate well to the setting.
 
Tupac, Snoop, Eminem.... point remains the same... new rap just isn't as good as the older stuff. You could argue lyrics are better or faster but the music isn't anywhere near as good or creative.

I would agree, but age has something to do with that. Hip hop is a young man’s game. We’re old heads. I cut my teeth on LL Cool J and the 80s stuff, was a teenager for gangsta rap and bling era and kind of aged out of the genre by the late 2000s. I only dabble in the new stuff, and think the music of my youth is better. Just like the 20 year old will say their music is better than ours and no one is wrong or right because music is a subjective art form.
 
When I said, "Maybe it was a terrible decision to pick an act that requires an explanation for a large percentage of the viewing audience to enjoy", I wasn't asking you to explain the lyrics to me.

Rather the opposite, actually.

And when you said we really shouldn't be showcasing a "song about pedophilia" in spite of it being quite the opposite, you seem to be using your willful ignorance to discredit an artist who doesn't deserve that.

We both agree it did nothing to appeal to a broader audience, was a weird production and generally wasn't an entertaining performance. Let's just leave it at that.
 
Good grief, what an ignorant and short sighted comment.

I figure you wouldn't understand nuance since you can't seem to grasp it anywhere else in life so I'll elaborate.

New straight forward rock bands nearly always have some component of another genre included to appeal to a mass (and dumber) audience.

One of the most popular four piece rock bands I can think of in recent years opted to include funk, R&B and traditional groove to grow their audience over time. They don't have a singer.

Top 40 hits in the past decade have overwhelmingly trended to pop and hip hop/rap and even bands that were considered rock tend to gravitate towards those sounds to stay relevant.

So, again, rock and roll as a traditional popular source of music in the popular sphere just doesn't exist anymore. Neither does jazz, fusion, progressive rock etc.

Now, does that mean music that is traditional rock and roll isn't coming out anymore? Not at all, it just doesn't appeal to a mass audience as this generation has next to no interest in guitar solos or real instruments for that matter.

I still listen to a ton of bands that are pretty straightforward rock, but I guarantee nearly no one would recognize them or their music.
 
I remember several years ago Ted Nugent was on Bill Maher show and Maher tried to make a joke about him being irrelevant. Nugent pointed out that his tour with Kiss was the biggest tour of the year and like top 10 all time. It just keeps reinforcing in my mind that exec's are looking at the wrong numbers to decide what's popular. Too much of a bubble around NY/LA. I think Swift has the largest tour of all time so exec's think everyone likes her... but she just has an insanely loyal base. Outside her base she has very little appeal. Modern media can't reconcile that difference though.

I think I saw where no rock song has been #1 on billboard since around 2004. You can't convince me that people just stopped liking rock. There has to still be people out there putting out good rock music.... but the industry has decided they aren't going to push that for whatever reason... I guess because it's cheaper on their end.
"Outside of her base, she has very little appeal". That is true for just every act out there. You have a group of people that follows the artist (their base) and then everyone else that doesn't and couldn't care less about that artist. You do realize she probably has the biggest base in the world right? Not many acts out there that can tour the world, sell out stadium venues and get people to pay really really high ticket prices. She's sold north of 100 million records, but yet the exec's have it wrong with her?

Full disclaimer: I have never been to her concerts, don't own an album and probably would only recognize 3-5 songs of herds
 
LOL, you are just being contrarian here. Eazy E ? he didn't write ONE single lyric, Dre, Ice Cube and others wrote them for him, he was the money man that helped get the group started. Outkast ? Snoop ? (one of the worst highly popular rappers), NO ONE on your list can do what Kendrick Lamar does, not even close. Not ONE person who knows hip hop would list ANY of those you listed in their top 5, and for a reason. If you do not have KL at LEAST top 10, you are just trying to be "different". Stop it !!!! Eazy E, LOL, you lost ALL credibility when I read his name, not even getting to the others on your list. No need.
Truth be told, I didn’t like his performance at the Super Bowl. I think he’s decent, but Eazy E was a badazz rapper. Great voice and sound. I think he’s superior to KL.

You must be pretty young if you don’t have Snoop high on your list.

To me late 80s and all 90s rap is superior to today’s mumble rap.


My rankings or favorites
1. Ice Cube
2. Tupac
3. Biggie
3A-Jayz
4. OutKast
5. Snoop
5a. Public Enemy
6. EAZY
6a. DMX
7. Dre
8. Eminem
9. Cypress Hill
9a. Busta Rhymes
9c. Method Man
10. 50 cent
11. E-40
12. Eric B and Rakim
13. Ice T
14. Q-tip
15. Beastie boys


Over rated
1. Lil WAYNE
2. NAS
 
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I am 57, so no. NAS overrated ? You are really killing your credibility here. Ice T, Busta Rymes, Dre (the rapper not producer), and several more on your list couldn't hold Kendrick's jock strap. Eric B was not lyrical (DJ), that would be Rakim. Throw in some Soulja Boy, Diddy and Rick Ross and your list would be ALMOST complete. Beastie Boys ? LOL.

Along with Kendrick Lamar, after the top 5, not any particular order :
Tupac
Jay Z
Biggie
Eminem
NAS
Lil Wayne
Kayne West
LL Cool J
And this is coming from someone who loved NWA, Beastie Boys, and listened to a lot of 50. I put a lot of your rankings in line with rappers like Jeezy, Too Short, J Cole, Future, Run DMC among many others, all good rappers, had very popular songs, just not elite. Doesn't mean they are bad, just a few rungs below elite guys.
 
"Outside of her base, she has very little appeal". That is true for just every act out there. You have a group of people that follows the artist (their base) and then everyone else that doesn't and couldn't care less about that artist. You do realize she probably has the biggest base in the world right? Not many acts out there that can tour the world, sell out stadium venues and get people to pay really really high ticket prices. She's sold north of 100 million records, but yet the exec's have it wrong with her?

Full disclaimer: I have never been to her concerts, don't own an album and probably would only recognize 3-5 songs of herds

I have friends in the late 20s and 30s who love Swift. They have shared music with me. I don’t really have much of an opinion. Most is very rhymed and catchy. It just does not do anything positive or negative for me.
 
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