Stoops Ranked #4 Overachiever
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Heh. Comes with my Hulu, Disney+, and ESPN+. Best money I spend for my family. Everything from Bluey to paywalled ESPN articles to Star Wars shows to Hulu movies. /chefs kiss
I wouldn't give those clowns one red cent. to be an “insider”.
You're missing out on good coverage and analysis, but if you don't care about national level perspectives and are mostly concerned with parochial issues then I get it.
But for those who don't like ESPN generally I would just say that if you have cable ESPN gets an average of 6% of every cable bill. That's before getting into using their larger corporate services via all the Disney stuff.
Sorry to be a homer, but it is difficult to imagine three coaches that have overachieved more than Stoops since his arrival at UK.
I'd give 'em Dabo, just because I don't recall Clemson being a football powerhouse, at least not in the immediate years before he arrived.
I'd give 'em Dabo, just because I don't recall Clemson being a football powerhouse, at least not in the immediate years before he arrived.
The ranking of the overachievers which I more I less think I agree with but I would swap Clawson and Leach, and bump Stoops up to #3.
Leipold's inclusion seems premature to me, but the author makes a compelling case about his success in D3 at Wisconsin-Whitewater and also at Buffalo.
1. Mike Leach
2. Pat Fitzgerald (Northwestern)
3. Matt Campbell (Iowa St)
4. Stoops
5. Dave Clawson (Wake)
6. Jeff Tedford (Fresno St)
7. Jeff Monken (Army)
8. Hugh Freeze (Liberty)
9. PJ Fleck (Minnesota)
10. Lance Leipold (Kansas)
Leipold's inclusion seems premature to me, but the author makes a compelling case about his success in D3 at Wisconsin-Whitewater and also at Buffalo.
1. Mike Leach
2. Pat Fitzgerald (Northwestern)
3. Matt Campbell (Iowa St)
4. Stoops
5. Dave Clawson (Wake)
6. Jeff Tedford (Fresno St)
7. Jeff Monken (Army)
8. Hugh Freeze (Liberty)
9. PJ Fleck (Minnesota)
10. Lance Leipold (Kansas)
I would have Stoops and Campbell in a two way tie at the top. Fitz has done some nice things an NW but not quite at the level of the other two. Leach is a good coach and has had some success everywhere he has stopped but seriously he hasn't built anything like the others.
I think Freeze could eventually be #1 but he just hasn't been there long enough to prove they aren't just a 2 year fluke yet.
Liking where everything is headed but let’s be honest. The guy still hasn’t won a division title. He’s got a long way to go
How many coaches gave in the last ten years? 4, 5? How many are still at their schools? 2 maybe?
Why is Leach #1? He was middle of the pack, slightly above average at TT. Not a hot bed of football, but the state is. The conference was conducive to an offensive mind as well. Replicated his run at Wazzou, with some losing records. He's doing worse than his predecessor at MissSt and got an extension.
Been around way too long to be an overachiever.
Fitzgerald at 2 is similar to Leech, but he's got a worse record. Many coaches get fired with his record. He builds a B10 West division winner every 4 or 5 years and it's surrounded by 3-9 and 6-6.
You would think somebody with NIL would scoop Freeze up. He's proved he could win when he's bought recruits and at low level Liberty.
Stoops and Campbell are probably 1/2 here.
I think the strongest argument for Fitz is he’s taken them to B10 championship game with 50th-ish recruiting rankings albeit in a weak division.
He's been there since '06, and is basically a lifer until he wants to go.
If Stoops stays at status quo for another 7 years, bouncing between 10 wins, 7 wins, and 5 wins, he won't be an overachiever at that point either.
I'm kind of suprised Luke Fickell isn't on this list. What he has accomplished at Cincinnati has been pretty impressive. I guess you could make the argument that last year might have been a fluke but I guess we will see this year.
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Agreed. Gof5 to the playoff is almost as overachiever as it gets, besides winning a playoff game and then the title.
I hear what you are saying, but to be fair, I think Stoops & Co would've likely won a division in the ACC last year (and probably 2018 when Pitt played Clemson for the ACC title with a 7-5 regular season record). For example, the Penn St team that the 2018 Cats beat in the bowl game beat that Pitt team 51-6.
In 2021, Stoops and crew beat the Big Ten West Champs in the Bowl Game, so while not a guarantee, I think they could've won that western division of the Big Ten last season.
If winning a division title is the only benchmark for overachieving, the list becomes almost non-existent.
Leach shouldn't even sniff this list. His tenure at state sucked until he found a superstar DC. Once that guy is gone (probably at end of the season), leach will suck once again.
Hard to believe he shouldn't be there, Cincy has been dang good 2 years in a row. Maybe stars aligned for them, but they had several kids drafted in 22.
Look at it this way for those still wanting to compare coaches.
6 bowl games in a row...school record. 4 bowl wins in a row....school record. At a 'basketball school'.
Compare to the fan goals for Calipari....
8 years no final four.
8 years no #1 ranking.
At a 'basketball school'.
Something would indicate the need for a new practice facility may not be an answer.
6 bowl games in a row...school record. 4 bowl wins in a row....school record. At a 'basketball school'.
Compare to the fan goals for Calipari....
8 years no final four.
8 years no #1 ranking.
At a 'basketball school'.
Something would indicate the need for a new practice facility may not be an answer.
Kentucky beat Clemson in 2006 Music City Bowl with Rich Brooks at the helm. Kentucky lost to them in the 2009 Music City Bowl, so they were on a par with the Kentucky in those years.
He was on an even better list, the national championship contender list, and one that began with Saban at No. 1. Fickle was No. 10 on it. Notwithstanding the perfect storm in 2021 that allowed a midmajor to be a 1st round playoff sacrifice, I don't really consider the University of Cincinnati to be a legitimate college power.
My favorite non-UK football memory is a Clemson one:
I was seeing this girl who went there when I was stationed in Charleston and we went to a movie the day Tommy Bowden beat Bobby for the first time — when we got out the fans were straight up walking down Main Street with the damn goal posts.
It was a riot lol.
But yeah safe to say that isn't "football powerhouse" behavior
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