Caleb Redd went to Kansas. He was a true freshman and not ready to play. The rest of that list will transfer down. Does and Christman are Sr and injury prone and never made the field. If they couldn’t play over the lineman we had that should tell you enough. Of all the guys that have left the last few years, zero have transferred laterally and played. Most have transferred down. The true problem had been the player evaluation. They have brought in more 4 star players than we have ever had and the majority have never made an impact.
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Stoops and his staff, regardless of who they are, have shown ZERO ability to develop high school QBs over a span of nearly a decade and a half. Just objective facts.
If you consider:
USCalifornia (Silver)
Arizona State-playoff team (Khamari Anderson)
South Carolina (Dingle)
UCLA (Ford)
MINNESOTA (Ray)
Miss State (Keenum)
LSU (Brown)
Wisconsin (Fearby)
Kansas (Redd)
Colorado State (Himebach)
If you consider ANY of those teams a step DOWN from UK tells me you are seriously brain washed or a MB/CMS schill OR you haven't watched any of these teams play football this year.
Even Miss State is a program viewed to be rebuilding and on the rise with a young innovative aggressive HC.
I have supported CMS since he took this job, but you can't just ignore the direction of this program over the past 3 years.
CMS needs a fresh start and so does UK. Or, the fall will get even worse ( if that is possible. )
1st off I was elated when I thought Stoops got the aTm job. I want a fresh start like you. Over the last few years no one has transferred out laterally or up and made an impact. Silver/ Brown/ Dingle etc were starters. How does that fit what you’re saying. You were talking about young highly rated guys getting played over. These are the 1st starters that have left. I don’t blame them and a few may have been part of the culture problem but that is another topic.
The guys you mentioned earlier either didn’t play or didn’t make an impact when they did. Fearbry and Anderson played. Fearbry hasn’t showed anything consistently when he has been in. Anderson I wish had stayed but he is young and been inconsistent. Keenum had trouble making the 2 deep at OC. There was either no development or they didn’t match their rating. When they make an impact somewhere we will see, but besides Anderson I don’t see it happening. He didn’t leave because he was played over as you said though
We will just have to agree to disagree on some of your facts.
You just want another list of players who have transferred out and played well at other schools, like Jeff Badet. Keaton Wade played well for Colorado......like I said. Not going to provide you a list.
I trust my own eyes on what I see rather than someone telling me that is not what I am seeing.
The lack of discipline, playing favorites even though they are stinking up the field without giving other players a fair chance to play, bad team culture......
And as for Khamari Anderson getting a fair chance to play, how did he perform in the bowl game when coaches had no choice but to let him play more than one or 2 snaps???
Keenum Wade was gonna start but followed Destin Wade. Badet was years ago and played. Other posters on here posted lists the last couple years of the guys production and very few played. Buford is one that did. From a family member of Drake, Buford was there best lineman and should have been the LT that last year but couldn’t learn his assignments. It didn’t click. The guys they have been bringing in either haven’t been developed or didn’t match their rating. The staff has basically developed no one. That is the major problem, but how can they when the on the OFF side every job has been a revolving door. There is zero consistency in the program and it all falls back on stoops
That is great to hear, but makes me wonder if that scout had Brees properly pegged coming out of HS. The kid had a questionable knee and was considered too small. He would have TORN IT UP in the Air Raid, but only Purdue and UK really pursued him. Is the scout saying he saw Brees for what he was?
We (meaning me and Van) took it to mean the quarterback Brees became . I didn’t know about the knee issue and I don’t think Van did either. I’m thinking his exact words were “ UK hasn’t been involved with a quarterback like this since Hal Mumme was recruiting Drew Brees “ . I interpret that as a high compliment, but I hadn’t really thought about where Drew Brees was ranked coming out of high school. Maybe I’m completely wrong.
He also said that “he is dominating in as good a league as there is in the United States .”
Brees said he would have come to UK however his host was Tim Couch who told him he was the next UK QB.
UCLA, Minn, MSU, CSU. All are steps down. Call me brainwashed, but first prove me wrong.
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It’s a compliment, but my point is this. Not many saw Brees for the All-Pro NFL QB he became. If the scout tabbed Brees for greatness when Mumme was recruiting him, then I trust his assessment of Stone. But, if he missed on Brees, like most, why would I trust his assessment of Stone? As wrong as you were then, you could be so now.
no one called those a step down. He was talking about young guys leaving that were played over and shouldn’t have been. Specifically mentioned the ‘23 class. I’m ready for stoops to leave as much as the next guy but before this year UK didn’t have a guy transfer that was played over and went and made an impact elsewhere that didn’t transfer down. Most of the guys that transferred to the the teams that are mentioned were Srs, not underclassmen. There have been a ton of young guys leave and almost all transfer down and the ones that go laterally haven’t played. Over the last 5 years Buford is the only one that left because he wasn’t playing and transferred kind of laterally and started. Even at that he wasn’t playing wasn’t playing the type of schedule UK plays. He gave all these lists of guys and Fearbry and Anderson are the only too that come close to matching what he was saying. Like I said to him Anderson is the only one that may make an impact.
I wish he was right but that isn’t UKs problem. It is evaluating talent and then developing it which they have not done in years
I call those a step down.
First, saying that young players who left should not have been played over is nothing but speculation. No one knows how Redd, for example, was practicing or how ready he is to play. Soles received quite a bit of snaps. Maybe Redd saw Soles and Smith ahead of him. Who knows? Not any posters here.
As for the starters, it was a bad year on the field. That does not help. The NIL era is still relatively new, so we don’t yet know what will truly be commonplace. I would imagine there are a number of reasons. We could speculate ad naseum, and surely will, but it does not matter. It is probably good some left. We just don’t know which.
Justin Roger played many minutes for Auburn. I think he was in regular rotation. Cedric Dort played and started some at Wisconsin. David Wahlabaugh has done well, I think, at Syracuse. The DB who transferred to Pitt did well. After he got healthy, Keaton Wade got snaps at Colorado and was doing well, I think, at season’s end.
First, saying that young players who left should not have been played over is nothing but speculation. No one knows how Redd, for example, was practicing or how ready he is to play. Soles received quite a bit of snaps. Maybe Redd saw Soles and Smith ahead of him. Who knows? Not any posters here.
As for the starters, it was a bad year on the field. That does not help. The NIL era is still relatively new, so we don’t yet know what will truly be commonplace. I would imagine there are a number of reasons. We could speculate ad naseum, and surely will, but it does not matter. It is probably good some left. We just don’t know which.
Justin Roger played many minutes for Auburn. I think he was in regular rotation. Cedric Dort played and started some at Wisconsin. David Wahlabaugh has done well, I think, at Syracuse. The DB who transferred to Pitt did well. After he got healthy, Keaton Wade got snaps at Colorado and was doing well, I think, at season’s end.
You are correct. We will never know how good they were because of CMS' system, culture, coaching philosophy, whatever you want to call his reason for not giving younger players an opportunity to play meaningful snaps, even when his "senior", " chosen", or whatever you want to call the players he designates as starters are stinking it up and playing losing football.
What we can all agree on, whether it is lack of talent evaluation, lack of player development, poor recruiting, bad coaching, or whatever else might be contributing to the state of our FB program, right now, our program is in a dam* mess and that falls squarely on the HC.
The rest is just symantecs and word salad.
Fearbry and Noah Mathews played. Christman and ford were literally always injured. Caleb Redd was a true freshman. He might be good but he probably wasn’t ready to play yet. Anderson should have played more and idk enough about keenum to have an opinion
I think you play the players who have earned the right to play. The idea of giving “meaningful” minutes to players not ready is a pathway to losses and makes no sense.
That depends on the definition of earned. If earned means they have been in the "system" the longest and deserve to play because they have "earned" it, I totally disagree with your statement.
I have always been a proponent of playing your best players but also developing younger players by giving them an opportunity to play. Playing older players who have "earned" the right to play even though they are lesser talented than a younger player is a pathway to 4-8 seasons. Now, that makes no sense whatsoever to me.
Soles played. Redd did not. Stoops has played the best players, even when they are frosh.
Just curious. How do you know this? How do you know he played the best players when many of them never got to play any meaningful snaps if any at all? I think you just like to argue.
P.S. You just told us in your earlier post that "no one knows" how they would have played, but now you "know" Stoops has played the best players? Lol.
Well, by that measure, how do you know any player who did not make the field should have played?? LOL
I know that he played frosh at RB, WR, OLB, DB, DL, QB, TE, and safety over the past few years. It is a matter of common sense. If he is playing some true freshmen and not other true freshmen, he does not have an aversion to playing true freshmen. So, there must be a distinction. Because he wants to win and has been a coach for his whole adult life, I deduce that he is playing the true freshmen who are best and have earned a way on to the field.
I see the logic in my conclusion, but not in one that generalizes that he won’t give freshmen meaningful minutes because he favors age. I have evidence.
What do you have to go by that shows that these younger players are more talented or better than the older players who earned it other than high school highlights and star rankings? Do you attend the practices? Do you see this talent disparity first hand?
Nothing. That's my point. Recruit higher ranking players. Boast about them being the most talented group EVER, and then they don't see the field, even though your "starters" can't beat Vanderbilt.
Players ride the pine for a year, then enter the portal to actually PLAY for other teams. But, we preserved their RS so they still have 4 years of eligibility at their new school while we run to the Portal looking for 23 year old retreads who couldn't make it at their own school.
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