Still a 3 Seed per Lunardi

[The_Ghost_of_Born_and_Bread]

I follow several of the Bracket Matrix guys on Twitter. They do daily updates.

Most of them have us as a 3 seed even after the Texas lost. I don't know if I've seen anyone have us as a 4 seed yet.

They say on a regular basis that the NET is not a power ranking. It's a sorting tool.

I've also seen multiple times where one or more have said something to the effect o: Kentucky's metrics say 5 seed. Kentucky's resume moves them up 2 seed lines.

You haven’t seen anyone list us as a 4 seed?

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/bracketology/ - 4 seed

http://ocsmarchmadness.blogspot.com/?m=1 - 5 seed

http://bracketology-madness.com/ - 4 seed

https://www.4thand24.com/ncaa-tournament-bracket-seeds - 4 seed

https://thegamingjuice.com/list/big-board - 4 seed

https://sportsentiment.com/2025/02/17/brad-ketology-february-17th-edition-4/ - 4 seed

- LAST 5 seed

https://thebarkingcrow.com/daily-seed-list/ - last 4 seed

- 4 seed

https://haslametrics.com/ratings.php - 4 seed

https://kirbycbb.blogspot.com/2025/02/bracketology-21625.html?m=1 - last 4 seed

https://hoopshd.com/nitty-gritty-rankings/ - 4 seed

https://bracketeer.org/ - 4 seed

https://www.rotowire.com/cbasketball/bracketology.php - 4 seed

https://x.com/BracketsYago - 4 seed

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I just did a quick count so I might be off by 1 or 2, but it looks like 65 of the brackets on bracket matrix were updated on Sunday or later, after our loss. The majority of those have us as a 3, though about 25% have us as a 4.

The Texas loss did very little to our resume at all, since it was a quad 1-A loss and the outcome of the game was pretty much dead on what the metrics had, meaning our metrics didn't drop.

26 were updated on Friday. And 5 were updated Saturday... 65 or so were updated after our game.

I think the issue here is that those 31 that weren't updated in time.. might be 4's instead of 3's.. and it really wouldn't take a whole lot to drop us.. especially since Michigan and TTU have won their games this past week, which means they'd be getting some additional 3s as well.

Maybe if all these were updated to this very point in time, we're still a 3? But it's going to be very close.

 

[Dontworryboutit23]

I still say we end up a 5 seed

 

[Cats192]

Update: Bracket Matrix has almost 1/3rd of its rankings BEFORE the loss to Texas on Saturday. Essentially their brackets haven't been updated to include the Texas loss. so I feel very safe saying we'd be a 4-seed if the Selection Committee was today.

This was kind of a big sticking point last year when using Bracket Matrix.. make sure to keep in mind that some of these bracket updates are trailing by a game or so.

You're right in the fact the website has a lag.

I pretty much never look at the website. You can find the individual Bracket Matrix bracketologists on Twitter.

Where I would disagree--guys are still ranking UK as a 3 seed on Twitter.

Several of the ones I follow, the ones that seem to do the best year over year, still have us as a 3 seed.

All of the lines below have been updated since the Texas loss.

@GrahamDoeren that runs the unnamed bracketology podcast has us as the 11th overall seed.
@T3Bracketology has us as the 11th overall seed.
@BracketNky has us as the 12th overall seed.
@JBRBracketology has us as the 12th overall seed
@MBBracketology has us as the 12th overall seed.
@Bigunderdogblog has us as the 12th overall seed.

There's a few others, but you get the gist. All of the above had Kentucky as either #10 or #11 going into the selection committee reveal.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

You're right in the fact the website has a lag.

I pretty much never look at the website. You can find the individual Bracket Matrix bracketologists on Twitter.

Where I would disagree--guys are still ranking UK as a 3 seed on Twitter.

Several of the ones I follow, the ones that seem to do the best year over year, still have us as a 3 seed.

All of the lines below have been updated since the Texas loss.

@GrahamDoeren that runs the unnamed bracketology podcast has us as the 11th overall seed.
@T3Bracketology has us as the 11th overall seed.
@BracketNky has us as the 12th overall seed.
@JBRBracketology has us as the 12th overall seed
@MBBracketology has us as the 12th overall seed.
@Bigunderdogblog has us as the 12th overall seed.

There's a few others, but you get the gist. All of the above had Kentucky as either #10 or #11 going into the selection committee reveal.

Yep and this is where context is king. Some of those same bracketologists that Born and Bred it referring to are guys like Jerry Palm who had as a 4 seed BEFORE the bracket reveal from the tournament committee. Clearly, his methodology is not getting as accurate with respect to how Kentucky is falling in the pecking order. This idea that we lost to Texas and the sky is falling just doesn’t comport with reality. If you lose to Vandy and LSU, you’re gonna take a dip — let’s be clear about that. However, losing to Auburn and at Alabama will do absolutely nothing to our resume. Those are house money games. I really don’t see us falling below a six even if we completely collapse but we are most likely going to wind up a 3-4 if you win 3 games, no matter which ones you win of the remaining games.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

You're right in the fact the website has a lag.

I pretty much never look at the website. You can find the individual Bracket Matrix bracketologists on Twitter.

Where I would disagree--guys are still ranking UK as a 3 seed on Twitter.

Several of the ones I follow, the ones that seem to do the best year over year, still have us as a 3 seed.

All of the lines below have been updated since the Texas loss.

@GrahamDoeren that runs the unnamed bracketology podcast has us as the 11th overall seed.
@T3Bracketology has us as the 11th overall seed.
@BracketNky has us as the 12th overall seed.
@JBRBracketology has us as the 12th overall seed
@MBBracketology has us as the 12th overall seed.
@Bigunderdogblog has us as the 12th overall seed.

There's a few others, but you get the gist. All of the above had Kentucky as either #10 or #11 going into the selection committee reveal.

I'm not really opposed to us being a 3-seed at this present time. I mean, hey better for us lol.

There's also another aspect here: does anyone believe that if the SC has a chance to drop UK a seed line, that they won't take it? We're the 3rd 3-seed right now on BM, might even be the last 3-seed or first 4-seed once those catch up (again, we have to remember Michigan and TTU both won this week).. To me, that just means the SC would put us as a 4-seed. But I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they kept us at a 3-seed either. Just my gut feeling.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I will agree with others here, the Texas loss isn't a bad loss AT all. They're a top40/35 team. So I agree we shouldn't be dinged for it. But, losses are still losses.. and if other teams who are right there with us (ie, Michigan and TTU) WIN their games, it only brings them closer, or possibly even ahead.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

I'm not really opposed to us being a 3-seed at this present time. I mean, hey better for us lol.

There's also another aspect here: does anyone believe that if the SC has a chance to drop UK a seed line, that they won't take it? We're the 3rd 3-seed right now on BM, might even be the last 3-seed or first 4-seed once those catch up (again, we have to remember Michigan and TTU both won this week).. To me, that just means the SC would put us as a 4-seed. But I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they kept us at a 3-seed either. Just my gut feeling.

If the SC hated UK so much they wouldn’t have us at a 3-seed in the last reveal and take our injuries into consideration. Considering the head is a director at UNC, they wouldn’t have Duke a one seed if they were gonna set up the favorites bracket. This whole idea is another fringe conspiracy idea that doesn’t really add up. I know we are UK fans and that affects our bias, but we have had multiple favorable draws in recent years and WE didn’t get the job done.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

I will agree with others here, the Texas loss isn't a bad loss AT all. They're a top40/35 team. So I agree we shouldn't be dinged for it. But, losses are still losses.. and if other teams who are right there with us (ie, Michigan and TTU) WIN their games, it only brings them closer, or possibly even ahead.

Well, that depends on the quality of the win and the overall resume compared the quality of our loss and the overall resume.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

If the SC hated UK so much they wouldn’t have us at a 3-seed in the last reveal and take our injuries into consideration. Considering the head is a director at UNC, they wouldn’t have Duke a one seed if they were gonna set up the favorites bracket. This whole idea is another fringe conspiracy idea that doesn’t really add up. I know we are UK fans and that affects our bias, but we have had multiple favorable draws in recent years and WE didn’t get the job done.

Well, that depends on the quality of the win and the overall resume compared the quality of our loss and the overall resume.

I think the SC can use some other criteria to move teams around as they see fit. Not some GIANT leap.. but we've seen time and time again, a team that might be a 5-seed, is a 6 seed. A team that's a 4 seed, might be moved to the final 3 seed. They can't just NOT give Duke the 1-seed, so I don't see that as them being "fair".. they had no choice.

TTU just beat KP60 Arizona St. and 108th OKState on the road. Thats roughly two Q2 wins for them.. I have to think that within the 100 or so brackets, some people will bump them up to a 3-seed, while others bump us down to a 4 seed.

In the end, none of this matters if we don't beat Vandy tomorrow. With the team we currently have, this game will be just as difficult as Texas, if not more so. Lose tomorrow and the 3-seed is gone for now.

Also, what favorable "draw" did we have? We've had the bracket BREAK favorably for us, but that is not the same thing as getting an easy draw.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

I think the SC can use some other criteria to move teams around as they see fit. Not some GIANT leap.. but we've seen time and time again, a team that might be a 5-seed, is a 6 seed. A team that's a 4 seed, might be moved to the final 3 seed. They can't just NOT give Duke the 1-seed, so I don't see that as them being "fair".. they had no choice.

TTU just beat KP60 Arizona St. and 108th OKState on the road. Thats roughly two Q2 wins for them.. I have to think that within the 100 or so brackets, some people will bump them up to a 3-seed, while others bump us down to a 4 seed.

In the end, none of this matters if we don't beat Vandy tomorrow. With the team we currently have, this game will be just as difficult as Texas, if not more so. Lose tomorrow and the 3-seed is gone for now.

Also, what favorable "draw" did we have? We've had the bracket BREAK favorably for us, but that is not the same thing as getting an easy draw.

In 2024, we were given a three seed despite being a potential four seed. We were matched up with two seed Marquette which was favorable as compared to Iowa State, Arizona or Tennessee. This is why many people expected us to make a run to the elite eight potentially.

In 2023, we were a six seed that was favored in a second round game versus a Kansas State team that we should have beaten. Yes, we were favored as a six seed because of the matchup setup for us and we blew it.

In 2022, we were provided a two seed despite being a potential three side. We had the weakest 1 seed in our bracket and we didn’t make it past the first round.

If you think we got a raw end in the last three tournaments, I don’t know what to tell you….agree to disagree if you see murders row in those.

 

[Cats192]

I'm not really opposed to us being a 3-seed at this present time. I mean, hey better for us lol.

There's also another aspect here: does anyone believe that if the SC has a chance to drop UK a seed line, that they won't take it? We're the 3rd 3-seed right now on BM, might even be the last 3-seed or first 4-seed once those catch up (again, we have to remember Michigan and TTU both won this week).. To me, that just means the SC would put us as a 4-seed. But I certainly wouldn't be surprised if they kept us at a 3-seed either. Just my gut feeling.

Is the an anti-Kentucky bias? Or was there just an anti-Calipari bias?

We had 7 losses going into the show. If they wanted to drop us, it would have been easy to say “7 losses, Metrics more in line with a 5 seed.”

I fully believe the world disliked Calipari, and we paid for it a lot in the past.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

In 2024, we were given a three seed despite being a potential four seed. We were matched up with two seed Marquette which was favorable as compared to Iowa State, Arizona or Tennessee. This is why many people expected us to make a run to the elite eight potentially.

In 2023, we were a six seed that was favored in a second round game versus a Kansas State team that we should have beaten. Yes, we were favored as a six seed because of the matchup setup for us and we blew it.

In 2022, we were provided a two seed despite being a potential three side. We had the weakest 1 seed in our bracket and we didn’t make it past the first round.

If you think we got a raw end in the last three tournaments, I don’t know what to tell you….agree to disagree if you see murders row in those.

Yeah I don't really have a problem with recent years, as compared to the 2010s. I don't think we were helped or hurt. Not sure I agree with all the points, such as Marquette being a worse 2-seed than the others. K-State turned out to have a great team in 2023, I fail to see how that bracket was in any way a gift to us. And in 2022 I see no evidence to suggest that Kentucky should have been a 3-seed. We were Kenpom 6th, Net had us at 9th, and BM had us as THE overall 2-seed. We were righfully a 2-seed.

On the other hand, look at 2015: Kentucky was far and away the #1 overall seed.

.. yet, we were given the 2nd best 1-seed on our side of the bracket (Wisconsin), we had the 2nd best 2-seed also on the same side (Arizona).. We had the best 3-seed in our region (ND). WVU as a 5-seed was a pretty tough draw IIRC. And then on Duke's side, they had just 4 teams in a power conference. UCLA, Iowa, Iowa ST (Both Iowa teams at the time were meh) and Georgetown. In fact, Duke's entire run to the final 4 was through 4 mid-majors, which yes, I'm including Gonzaga.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Is the an anti-Kentucky bias? Or was there just an anti-Calipari bias?

We had 7 losses going into the show. If they wanted to drop us, it would have been easy to say “7 losses, Metrics more in line with a 5 seed.”

I fully believe the world disliked Calipari, and we paid for it a lot in the past.

Waaaaait a second.. I thought we saw enough this year to drop the whole "It was cause of Cal" no? I mean, look at the way the officiating has gone. It might be worse than some of Cal's recent years.

I learned two big things watching Pope this year: Cal sucked in his final years (Ok, I think we knew that), and some of the things we blamed him for were not actually his fault, case in point, the officiating.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

Yeah I don't really have a problem with recent years, as compared to the 2010s. I don't think we were helped or hurt. Not sure I agree with all the points, such as Marquette being a worse 2-seed than the others. K-State turned out to have a great team in 2023, I fail to see how that bracket was in any way a gift to us. And in 2022 I see no evidence to suggest that Kentucky should have been a 3-seed. We were Kenpom 6th, Net had us at 9th, and BM had us as THE overall 2-seed. We were righfully a 2-seed.

On the other hand, look at 2015: Kentucky was far and away the #1 overall seed.

.. yet, we were given the 2nd best 1-seed on our side of the bracket (Wisconsin), we had the 2nd best 2-seed also on the same side (Arizona).. We had the best 3-seed in our region (ND). WVU as a 5-seed was a pretty tough draw IIRC. And then on Duke's side, they had just 4 teams in a power conference. UCLA, Iowa, Iowa ST (Both Iowa teams at the time were meh) and Georgetown. In fact, Duke's entire run to the final 4 was through 4 mid-majors, which yes, I'm including Gonzaga.

So a final four matchup from ten years ago is your point….I’ll just leave it there

Btw KenPom meant nothing for tournament selection in 2022.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

So a final four matchup from ten years ago is your point….I’ll just leave it there

You were the one talking about our various brackets.. why stop at just 3 years ago? Oh, it doesn't fit your narrative got it. And not even here for a year, I wonder which previously banned poster this is lol.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

So a final four matchup from ten years ago is your point….I’ll just leave it there

Btw KenPom meant nothing for tournament selection in 2022.

And I brought up Net Rankings. Please follow along.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

You were the one talking about our various brackets.. why stop at just 3 years ago? Oh, it doesn't fit your narrative got it. And not even here for a year, I wonder which previously banned poster this is lol.

I was never logged in on this website before 2024. Nice try though. I’m not dating all the way back ten years ago to prove a narrative. I’m trying to help you see your outlook on our seed is far to bleak given the circumstances. Clearly, facts have no effect on you.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

And I brought up Net Rankings. Please follow along.

You had us at 9th in the Net, which is three seed territory. Please follow along.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

I was never logged in on this website before 2024. Nice try though. I’m not dating all the way back ten years ago to prove a narrative. I’m trying to help you see your outlook on our seed is far to bleak given the circumstances. Clearly, facts have no effect on you.

I gave you facts lmfao. It's literally all I have been doing this entire afternoon to refute your points You just want to cherry pick the ones to help make your point.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

I gave you facts lmfao. It's literally all I have been doing this entire afternoon to refute your points You just want to cherry pick the ones to help make your point.

Hey man, I disagree with your assessment that you have been providing facts to me. I feel you have a strong confirmation bias and I’ve shown you recent history and facts and you don’t accept them. I’m not petty enough to take something like that personally. I respect your difference of opinion and politely will move on from this.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Hey man, I disagree with your assessment that you have been providing facts to me. I feel you have a strong confirmation bias and I’ve shown you recent history and facts and you don’t accept them. I’m not petty enough to take something like that personally. I respect your difference of opinion and politely will move on from this.

That's fine, your authority means absolutely dick here. You wanted facts about Kentucky not always getting a fair tournament draw, and I gave you one. You essentially replied "I don't like those facts!". All while I told you "Yeah the recent tournament didn't bother me with seeding one way or another", essentially, agreeing with you.

One thing is for sure, your handle checks out.

 

[ImTheVillageIdiot]

That's fine, your authority means absolutely dick here. You wanted facts about the Kentucky not always getting a fair tournament draw, and I gave you one. You essentially replied "I don't like those facts!". All while I told you "Yeah the recent tournament didn't bother me with seeding one way or another", essentially, agreeing with you.

One thing is for sure, your handle checks out.

Ok cool. No need to be heated over a difference of opinion. Again, I disagree with your view of this situation but your opinion about a seed isn’t going to result in me making personal attacks to you. Feel free to do whatever you feel is right in your mind.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

You as well bro! Namaste lmfao.

 

[GoNoles111]

With these injuries if we can hit 20 wins and hold on to a 5 or 6 and go into the NCAAT healthy I'd take that in a heart beat

 

[IowaMuse]

I might be wrong but its hard to imagine this team going on a run with the injuries stacked up. I glad we beat our rivals this season but even if Butler come back like the last game he played it's one play away from being done. Carr and his back problems is probably gonna keep him the same player he's been lately. Robertson hurts his shooting wrist only to go 5 of 35 from deep to close out. It's just to big of a hill to climb with the SEC Tournament being as tough as it will be these guys will be layed out everywhere by the end of Fridays game if they can make it that far. Then beating Auburn or Bama Saturday or Sunday, I give that a 10 % chance.

Bad news is the SRC is so good too to bottom that UK will have a pedestrian record relatively speaking. Good news is there really isn’t a bad loss.

 

[HenryMuto]

This is the guy I follow the closest as he is way up the bracket matrix rankings and won that a few times in the last 10 years.

Dave’s Seed List

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He dropped Kentucky to a 4 seed at #13 overall. It's not just the loss to Texas but remember other teams winning games can pass us up as well.

I watched a show last night and they put us at #16 overall the last 4 seed.

Now add in the fact even if you beat Vanderbilt you have more losses coming short of long shot wins at Bama and home to Auburn. Still have at Missouri as well.

Just had to have that Texas game. Lose to Vandy and the seed will start falling fast once you pile up double digit losses all those huge wins can only take you so far.

Really had to have that Texas game.

 

[JwUKFan11]

I saw another Bracket that still had us as a 3 seed after the loss. I feel like that makes Vandy very important. I can stomach some of the next few being losses but not at home to Vandy.

 

[Blueisbest]

If you told me on selection Sunday that that would be our bracket, I would take it in a heartbeat.