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JJ Redick is above 65% this season. Is he better than MJ?
Kyle Korver, Tyson Chandler, Brandan Wright, Chris Andersen, and Mason Plumlee were all above 65% the past two seasons as well.
Dumb, very dumb argument to use.
I love these "so and so is the only player to do something random, x# of times, in Wednesday night games that start after 8:00 on the 3rd Wednesday of the month when there is a full moon out" type stats.
That may be true but the point I'm making is if they took one of the greatest teams of all time into a rough hard series in the Bulls, don't you think they would do worse to the Warriors?
Jordan was so good he made the list of the NBA all time top 50 players twice!! Unless you think Pippen really is one of 50 best ever. Pippen with MJ=6 rings. Pippen w/o MJ= very good player but wouldn't smell a ring or top 50.
Here, let me point you to the first 14 words of my post:
How many players have you seen attempt at least 20 shots per 36 minutes
It seems like you didn't see it. I have to assume that there must be an issue with your computer because no way a fine, intelligent lad like yourself would totally ignore it.
Plus, I am not making a contention that Steph is better than MJ. Again, something must be up with your computer since you appear to be overlooking details.
what do you think happens when defenders try to go up and block that shot? You don't think they had tickle fights and gave each other reach arounds do you? I wasn't aware you failed at connect the dots as a kid
What is that supposed to mean?
No reason to be a d!ckhead to me.
You are obviously wrong on this one and the more you try to plead your case the dumber it looks.
Provide photos where he is going into someone with a knee, not ones that he is 5 feet from a defender doing a classic fade away.
Gotcha, and I basically agree with you.
But it's really hard to say how teams from the 90s would do against today's simply because the rules have changed. People really underestimate the huge impact of those rule changes that got rid of so much of the physical inside play and perimeter handchecking that typified the 90s NBA. A guy like Dennis Rodman would be fouling out by halftime if played the same way under today's rules. But at the same time Curry would likely be considerably less unstoppable if defenders were allowed to maul him with handchecks like they did in the 90s.
So when people ask who would win between the 90s bulls and today's Warriors, my first question is: Whose rules are we playing by?
stop deflecting and answer my question. What happens when a player gets up on him trying to make a good block...and Jordan has his knee up and out? Stop being a pain in the A$$ and trying to get me to look for sites with more photos of fade away jump shots. Instead you could make some sort of effort to understand what I'm saying and come to a reasonable conclusion that indeed from time to time he fended players off with his knee.
This doesnt have to be an argument. I never said he fouled every time he shot the ball that way... sheesh.
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What happens?
What kind of question is that?
How much dumber can you get in this thread?
You want an answer? Here is your answer. This is the body technique for taking this shot, every player does it including Bird and... oh my gosh...Stephen Curry.
You can notice in all of these pics (and there are millions more) that even when no defender is around the same posture is taken.
How much more do you want to get beat down in this thread?
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and you are completely missing my point then. You want me to quote my own post where I said its a natural part of a fade away??? You are trying to prove yourself right with something I agreed to on page 1.
I guess a few of us are missing your point.
You said:
"Shouldnt Jordan have an * ? I mean he scored a good chunk of his points by an offensive foul kicking a knee up into defender's chests/stomachs."
There is no point there. You have yet to show proof of one time he kicked up in someones chest, much less a good chunk of his 5 billion shots.
For some reason you refuse to believe your own eyes that a turnaround fade away is what is.
But hey you obviously know more than every single basketball player that has ever played.
Man this sucks. I've always liked your posts, you're a good guy so I hate to be like this but I have to say this:
That is the weakest argument I have ever read on this board for someone's case. Now I mean that in the best possible way, seriously I do. But COME ON MAAAAN. It's the pros, nothing comes easy, everyone in the NBA is a pro and on any given day even the worst pros can beat the best pros. But Chicago came out on top 9 times out of 10 over Reggie and the pacers. Sure the games were close sometimes but to say they struggled is not accurate. Heck, the Warriors got smoked by the Pistons a couple weeks back. Looks to me like they not only struggle against the Pacers they simply can't beat them.
The site says the Bulls won the series 4 games to 3 over the Pacers....
I'm not saying the Warriors would win. Hell I don't know .... but its not for sure the Bulls would win that with the way the Warriors have been playing this season.
I mean heck... I'm pretty sure Kerr knows a few ways to defend his team mates lol
I didn't see anyone say that their mind was made up and that nobody will ever be as good as MJ, or did I miss a whole page of comments?
I think what everyone is saying is that at this point in time SC has a long way to go to be mentioned in the same conversation as MJ.
Man are you ever changing your tale. When you first started this you made it sound like he was intentionally kicking guys in the stomach but now it's just "a natural part a fadeaway."
I think it's time to concede defeat and give this one up. There was nothing wrong with the way Jordan shot fadeaways, indeed it's the same way MOST guys shoot fadeaways. Lifting the knee is about maintaining proper balance through the shot, there's nothing dirty about it.
The Utah Jazz gave the Bulls more fits than anyone and it's not even close.
well yeah but I was using the pacers since they had a shooter like Curry and Thompson in Reggie Miller....
Okay, so the bulls were pushed to a game 7. Which one of the Bulls 6 championships did that happen in?
Golden State has won 1 championship so far. Do you think they are going to cakewalk to 5 more and never go to a game 7 in the process?
Let it go, so what, the Pacers took Chicago to a game 7, that's hardly a struggle.
Okay but you made it sound like the Bulls struggling with the pacers was as bad as UK losing to Auburn in basketball. That Pacers team was a heck of a team. It's not far fetched to believe that they could actually compete with MJ and a bunch of Joes.
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How do you figure this? The Jazz never took em past six games.
Conversely, the Pacers took them to an extremely hard fought 7 game series that the Bulls were very lucky to escape from (and arguably got outplayed over the entire series). That Indiana series was plainly the toughest one the Bulls had during any of their title runs.
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Can't put Jordan and Steph in same category. Different times. Yes game was bigger and more physical but Jordan didn't play with the speed of today's game. 6'9 guys moving like guards. And I can promise you Michael Jordan never faced anyone like Steph. Closest you can prolly come is Reggie Miller. And that's not even close. But Steph has faced someone like Jordan. And embarrassed him. (Lebron) Steph is the best shooter I've seen in my 40 years and I haven't seen anything close. I went To every home game at Davidson his senior year. A bunch his junior year. I live in Bay Area now. yiu can't guard him because he only need a 1/4 second to get off a accurate shot. He moves with out the ball extremely well. And he has crazy handles. Jordan is the goat. Steph is in the convo already.
Do you think that might have been part of Jordan's reasoning for bringing the knee up? Do you think that makes it more difficult to block the shot?
It's a "fade away" meaning he's fading backwards. You're acting like he's charging into the defender with knees a blazing.
GAMEWhat happens?
What kind of question is that?
How much dumber can you get in this thread?
You want an answer? Here is your answer. This is the body technique for taking this shot, every player does it including Bird and... oh my gosh...Stephen Curry.
You can notice in all of these pics (and there are millions more) that even when no defender is around the same posture is taken.
How much more do you want to get beat down in this thread?
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Yeah, lowly Pippen... only made first team All NBA, first team All Defense, and All Star MVP the year that Jordan was out.
And except for that one season, Pippen's only legitimate chances to win championships were with Jordan on the roster. He played with the bulls from the draft til he was 33. Unless your name is Tim Duncan (or a couple other examples with very particular games), you're not the star of a team at 33/34.
People who discredit Pippen have the silliest arguments.
Pippen is a legitimate all star. But I don't think he is a top 50 player in the NBA if he isn't MJ's sidekick
You do whatever the heck you want to do continue posting but you are looking like a fool.
It wasn't even in the rule book back then... which is why I even joked about the asterisk.
Players have been called for the same things the last 3-4 years since the Reggie Miller rule. There is some debate about a call on Reddit here... https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/2n38n1/jeremy_lin_gets_called_an_offensive_foul_for_an/
Here's an article and in there the guy is talking about C. Anthony and his sweet fade away jumper needing to pick his spots carefully because of the rule. http://www.sportsmedia101.com/newyo...-and-how-could-it-effect-the-new-york-knicks/
Here is an article
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ie-miller-rule-will-mean-for-nba-jumpshooters
In the end the officials only call what they want to , when they want to..... So really this doesnt even matter.
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Should have added dws. Of course he would not be better. IMO he'd be nowhere near what he is now
But some on here tout jumping early to get all that d-league coaching and practice time.
That is NOT the same thing. The Miller Rule has nothing to do with how Jordan shot his fadeaways. What Miller was notorious for doing was kicking his leg out after releasing his normal jumpshot to try to draw a cheap foul--that's what the Rule was directed toward. That is a very different thing than raising your knee on a fadeaway. Jordan shot his fadeaway the same damn way Dirk Nowtzki and a ton of other players do today, perfectly legal, nobody gets called for it.
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What? Curry has improved considerably since entering the NBA. Where did that improvement come from? Since you act like improvement is made in college only.
You didnt even click the links did ya
It obviously gets called or people wouldnt of been debating it.
Yes, I did. You're just wrong on this. Everybody here has told you so, but you just can't let it go.
If it didnt get called then why were people discussing it on Reddit? Did I make that up too?
you kick your leg out naturally...... but how much is natural? Pretty damn easy to try and get away with more and more isnt it? I've seen it get called..... I posted a link where people talked about it getting called in the past few years. But like I said..... it only gets called when the refs want to call it and then I added so what does it really matter?
also like I said, it wasn't even a rule back then. and the rule is now using your leg to make contact... So now the debate is how much of leg movement is natural and what is trying to make contact? Basically a judgement call from the ref.
just like freedom of movement in college.. just because they created the rule doesnt mean they follow it much.
you kick your leg out naturally...... but how much is natural? Pretty damn easy to try and get away with more and more isnt it? I've seen it get called..... I posted a link where people talked about it getting called in the past few years. But like I said..... it only gets called when the refs want to call it and then I added so what does it really matter?
also like I said, it wasn't even a rule back then. and the rule is now using your leg to make contact... So now the debate is how much of leg movement is natural and what is trying to make contact? Basically a judgement call from the ref.
just like freedom of movement in college.. just because they created the rule doesnt mean they follow it much.
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Did you read @UK90 's post below?
The rule is because some players kicked their legs out to draw a foul, not raise their knee into some one's chest as you initially posted.
Thanks to your links, the video of Jason Kidd is a perfect example.
Even you are discrediting you...
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