Very impressive stats and game. Kobe-esque, who was admonished for the same type of stats/play a few years back. What do you think? Is Curry the same or different than Kobe when he drew criticism for "shooting too much"?
Steph Curry; Phenom or Ball Hog?
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Kobe averages 4-5 assists per game, curry is over 6 for his career. Kobe has 1 season where he took less than 20 shots per game, steph is taking 21 this year, but otherwise in the 14-17 shots per game range. Kobe took 27 shots per game in 2005. Not even close.
Whoa! Not even close. Kobe would never be on a team that some consider some of the best team chemistry in sports history.
Just ask his teammates who continue to not even look around when there contract is up.
Unlike lebron and Davis who are not only talented but pure freaks of nature, curry is 6'2 190 and everyone he steps on the court he makes the best players in the world look like little kids.
Truly amazing to watch and he is very humble.
Just ask his teammates who continue to not even look around when there contract is up.
Unlike lebron and Davis who are not only talented but pure freaks of nature, curry is 6'2 190 and everyone he steps on the court he makes the best players in the world look like little kids.
Truly amazing to watch and he is very humble.
Steph is a scoring PG. the best at it.
Kobe was an isolation era shooting guard. The second best player of that style of all time.
Kobe was incredibly good at what he did. He had some amazing stretches of scoring 40 a night or 50 a night where he was simply unguardable.
From a team concept, what the Warriors do is more fun to watch. The ball doesn't stick.
But Kobe could also put on a show and he was fun to watch individually. The style also worked at that time, and they won Titles.
Kobe was more of a ball hog than Steph. So were guys like Jordan and Barkley. Different style for a different time.
Steph is not really a ball hog, but he will have a few heat check moments here and there.
Kobe was an isolation era shooting guard. The second best player of that style of all time.
Kobe was incredibly good at what he did. He had some amazing stretches of scoring 40 a night or 50 a night where he was simply unguardable.
From a team concept, what the Warriors do is more fun to watch. The ball doesn't stick.
But Kobe could also put on a show and he was fun to watch individually. The style also worked at that time, and they won Titles.
Kobe was more of a ball hog than Steph. So were guys like Jordan and Barkley. Different style for a different time.
Steph is not really a ball hog, but he will have a few heat check moments here and there.
Nice response. I like the fact that you provided a opinion based on what the question was asking of the forum, unlike Heisenburg, (who apparently didn't read the entire message, you rascal).
Worst thread ever? Curry has a lower usage rate but higher true shooting percentage, as well as higher assist percentage. Curry also has higher win shares than Kobe. You could also go into how Curry had a higher value over replacement player last season than Kobe ever had
Not sure how it's a bad thread. It's a question, not a statement. Good support though on your thought. All valid.
To me what separates a ball hog from a good player taking more shots is his efficiency in shooting. Kobe as great of a player as he was...always took a ton of shots and as the years have progressed...his efficiency has been awful.
Curry is career 47% FG shooting and 41% 3pt land
Kobe is a career 45% FG shooting and 33% 3pt land
Also considering Curry shots almost twice as many 3's as Kobe...his efficiency is off the charts and truly all time elite level. Finally, Curry is 2 to 1 assist to TO, Kobe sits at 1.5 assist to TO. The current season Curry is having is truly all time level season of NBA history. UP there with Jordan's, LeBron's and one of Shaq's incredible seasons. Curry is looking like all time great play that we should enjoy as historical as it appears.
Curry is career 47% FG shooting and 41% 3pt land
Kobe is a career 45% FG shooting and 33% 3pt land
Also considering Curry shots almost twice as many 3's as Kobe...his efficiency is off the charts and truly all time elite level. Finally, Curry is 2 to 1 assist to TO, Kobe sits at 1.5 assist to TO. The current season Curry is having is truly all time level season of NBA history. UP there with Jordan's, LeBron's and one of Shaq's incredible seasons. Curry is looking like all time great play that we should enjoy as historical as it appears.
34.5 m/pg, 10.8-21.1 fg/pg .514% fg, 5.1-11.6 3pt/pg, .442 3pt%, 5.2 r/pg 6.1 a/pg, 32.6 point/pg
Terrible thread, sorry to be harsh. Curry is having one of the best years in NBA history. His field goal percent is amazing, and then when you take into account he's shooting 44% from the arc, and making an average of 5 three's a game, his true field goal percentage is out of this world! He is literally unstoppable. A player like him needs to be selfish at times because anything else is detrimental to the team. Sure he needs to find teammates yet, but obviously he does that as evidence by his 6 assists per game.
Terrible thread, sorry to be harsh. Curry is having one of the best years in NBA history. His field goal percent is amazing, and then when you take into account he's shooting 44% from the arc, and making an average of 5 three's a game, his true field goal percentage is out of this world! He is literally unstoppable. A player like him needs to be selfish at times because anything else is detrimental to the team. Sure he needs to find teammates yet, but obviously he does that as evidence by his 6 assists per game.
Part of the new emphasis on analytics is that players play in a different way than they used to play. If they didn't, then what would be the point?
So, analytics aren't just about observation, but rather analysis that leads to improvement.
That's why, in some ways it's unfair to compare across eras. Kobe, Barkley, Pistol Pete - those guys can't go back and make adjustments to their style of 10, 20, 30 years ago.
It worked for them. In Kobe's case, it helped his teams win 5 rings.
None taken. To each his own. Please note, I never answered my own question as to which I think he is (or isn't). At least you gave statistical support, which is much harder to do than Heisenburg did.
One more thing. As great as Steph is - and I love watching him play - he absolutely benefits from the freedom of movement in today's game.
Steph Curry would be a star in any era, but I doubt his numbers would have been as good if he were getting mugged for 24 seconds every possession.
Today, nobody can touch anybody on the perimeter. That helps a small, quick, pure shooter more than anyone else.
Steph Curry would be a star in any era, but I doubt his numbers would have been as good if he were getting mugged for 24 seconds every possession.
Today, nobody can touch anybody on the perimeter. That helps a small, quick, pure shooter more than anyone else.
Right. I wonder though if people consider efficiencies, or just how it appears because of a bias. I like Curry. It just reminded me how when Kobe scored 81 in a game he had as many detractors as fans.
Interesting . . . I've only seen highlights of him, which skew the appearance. What did he do to earn that title?
Possibly, but if you just transported Curry to the 90s, and allowed him to play like he does, people would lose their minds.
Also, talking about defense in the 90s, LeBron most definitely would rather play with rules in the 90s than today. Zone defense as well as packing the paint and a whole bunch of stuff on defense was illegal. Not to mention that teams in the 90s scored a lot more in the 90s than today. Defense today is better than in the 90s
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at this thread . I mean the question in and of itself is silly. There is nothing alike about Kobe and Curry . Nothing . It would like comparing , in UK terms , James young and Isiah Briscoe or something . Just totally different .
at this thread . I mean the question in and of itself is silly. There is nothing alike about Kobe and Curry . Nothing . It would like comparing , in UK terms , James young and Isiah Briscoe or something . Just totally different .
Turnover machine, style over substance, high volume shooter not to mention he was a god awful defender
Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf sort of played that way in the 90s, although he was never as good at it as Curry.
Transport Curry to the 90s or 80s and he would have done fine, but they also would have fouled the crap out of him.
Lebron would have been dominant in any era.
In some ways defense is better today. But there is no question that it is much easier to roam freely on the perimeter than it was in the past. This is beneficial to a player like Curry, and I don't see how anyone can argue otherwise with a straight face.
When a guy is averaging 32 ppg on 52% shooting, 44% from 3, and 94% from the line you WANT him to be a ball hog.
Kobe is the most overrated player in the history of the sport. He has never had a single season in which he shot over 47% from the floor. Steph has only had 2 in his career that he has shot under 47% (46% as a rookie and 45% two years ago). Plus he takes more shots outside the paint than kobe ever did.
Kobe is not a team player. In the years where he has not had another top 10 player in the league next to him (first Shaq and then pau) he struggles to even make the playoffs. He's nothing more than a selfish volume scorer who isn't even really that efficient at it. Putting him in the same sentence as michael, Larry or LeBron is ludicrous.
Steph Curry's FG% right now is 51.4% for the season.
I don't even have to look, i'm 100% sure that Kobe never eclipsed the 50% mark. I would go even farther and say he never came close (Maybe at best around 47.5% mark).
Steph is very Jordan-esque right now.. Steph is doing this with HIGH VOLUME 3 point shooting. It's absolutely insane efficiency. Kobe was highly overrated from simple fact that he was so similar to MJ, except he wasn't.
What Coach Cal would say is he is doing what he should be doing. A guy who shoots a lot of 3 is averaging more than 50% FG percentage means, you need to keep shooting. If he doesn't shoot, than he is being selfish!
I don't even have to look, i'm 100% sure that Kobe never eclipsed the 50% mark. I would go even farther and say he never came close (Maybe at best around 47.5% mark).
Steph is very Jordan-esque right now.. Steph is doing this with HIGH VOLUME 3 point shooting. It's absolutely insane efficiency. Kobe was highly overrated from simple fact that he was so similar to MJ, except he wasn't.
What Coach Cal would say is he is doing what he should be doing. A guy who shoots a lot of 3 is averaging more than 50% FG percentage means, you need to keep shooting. If he doesn't shoot, than he is being selfish!
Looks like other people have already said exactly same thing i said.
Steph isn't a ball hog, he's doing what he is supposed to be doing.
You have been here. way long enough to understand that question gives the connotation, or at least hint; that your anti-Curry.
What happen to the old man avatar?
Kobe was great. Numerous players who played with and against him acknowledged him as the best player in the league at the time.
So he always took too many bad shots. Ok, whatever. He's a hard-headed guy who did what he wanted to do. And he won.
Acting like Kobe was some overrated player is asinine. Who was a better guard during the first decade of the 2000's?
So he always took too many bad shots. Ok, whatever. He's a hard-headed guy who did what he wanted to do. And he won.
Acting like Kobe was some overrated player is asinine. Who was a better guard during the first decade of the 2000's?
It's funny how asking a question with an optional answer in plain black (blue) and white, though, gets people adding or subtracting things that were never said. As for the old man avatar, it was just time to change it up.
Some people shake the tambourine, others play the piano. Steph plays the piano.
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This is completely insane. Really, truly awful post. The difference is that STEPH CURRY ACTUALLY MAKES SHOTS. Not sure how you're missing that part of it, but apparently, you are.
Steph Curry's effective FG% right now is .635. That's 2nd in the league, behind only DeAndre Jordan. What that means is that the average Steph Curry shot is generating 1.27 points for his team. Which is a number beyond staggering for almost anyone, but especially for a guard. And he does that while taking almost 4 times as many shots per game as DeAndre Jordan.
Steph Curry's current 3 point FG% (on a massive, record-shattering amount of attempts) is almost exactly the same as Kobe's overall FG% in 04-05, and better than Kobe 03-04. Kobe has had an effective FG% above 50% exactly ONCE in his entire career.
If your team has some guy on it that can consistently make halfcourt shots at 50%, him taking 20 of those a game is NOT him being a ball hog. It's your team running a smart offense. And Steph Curry taking 21 shots per game for Golden State right now is not him being a ballhog, it's him being the key guy in the most efficient offense that the NBA has ever seen. Him taking fewer shots would almost certainly hurt his team. The same can not be said of Kobe, at any point in his career. It's open for some debate, but the statistics aren't really in his favor.
Sorry, could you please point to the part where I said he is either a phenom or a ball hog? I'll save you the time. You won't find it, I didn't say either way. It is a question, not a statement.
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