Not a ball hog. I don't think Kobe was one either. I want my best scorer putting the ball in the basket. Do you want an efficient player? Yes. But you want to win games more and for a long time there Kobe's squads were doing just that. Now, Curry is doing and it's a big reason why, right now, the Warriors are on pace to set the single season wins record. They have a chance to at least tie or beat the 95-96 Bulls record of 72 wins in a season. A ball hog causes his team to lose, not set this kind of pace. JMHO.
Steph Curry; Phenom or Ball Hog?
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Well, you did ask the question. And it's a really bad question.
Language isn't math. It's possible to "ask questions" so that the sentence is an insinuation rather than a request for information.
To what benefit though? What would I gain from that? "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". Not everything is agenda driven, which I would still be scratching my head at what the agenda could even possibly be.
And if the OP was legitimately asking the question without insinuation, then the answer is "Good Lord no, and you might want to do 30 seconds of research before asking a question like that again".
I don't know and obviously don't know that you did. But why did you frame the question as a choice between the widest possible set of alternatives? Have you never watched Curry play and are just reacting to stats and stories?
Our responses must have crossed. I edited my response to you saying "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" Sigmund Freud. Not everything is agenda driven, which I would still be scratching my head at what the agenda could even possibly be. Coke or Pepsi? Ford or Chevy?, etc. Those questions are asked out of curiosity. I've watched him play. I've watched Kobe play. One was admonished for taking over, the other wasn't. No big deal.
There have also been replies throughout the thread where people have just simply answered. You, like them, are welcome to answer too. Some answer differently than others. Nevertheless, I still respect your opinion.
Believe it or not, Steph Curry sometimes takes bad shots. As remarkably talented and efficient as he is, he isn't perfect.
I actually think it's an interesting conversation. What is the tipping point that makes a guy crossover from occasional heat check to unapologetic chucker?
To a large degree it's about feel. It's about playing in a way that your teammates are happy with the shots you take. It's about taking shots after the defense has been put on their heels. And maybe more than anything else, it's about winning.
I actually think it's an interesting conversation. What is the tipping point that makes a guy crossover from occasional heat check to unapologetic chucker?
To a large degree it's about feel. It's about playing in a way that your teammates are happy with the shots you take. It's about taking shots after the defense has been put on their heels. And maybe more than anything else, it's about winning.
Well, Gents, it appears that we actually have more than one opinion . . . but there can only be one!? What do we do now?!
For Steph Curry, that tipping point has Mt Everest on his side of the beam. The only player producing more points per FG attempt in the entire NBA is DeAndre Jordan, because all DeAndre Jordan does is dunk. And that's if you don't count FT's. If you count them, then a Steph Curry shot attempt produces more points than any other player in the league who plays any significant time. Curry's effective FG% is so good that DeAndre Jordan is the ONLY player since 11-12 to do better, and Curry's mark would be the best for the entire decade of the aughts.
There may be a good conversation to be had about at which point a player crosses over to "unapologetic chucker" territory, but right now, Steph Curry is the worst possible name you can bring into the conversation. Yeah, Curry may take what you consider "bad shots", but what does that even mean when you're talking about a guy who's the single most efficient scoring threat in the NBA? It means absolutely nothing.
And, BTW, the heir to Kobe is not Steph Curry (because, I'll repeat, it's a ridiculous comparison). The heir to Kobe is Russell Westbrook, and Westbrook faces exactly the same type of criticism that Kobe did. There's a guy who walks (and often crosses) the fine line between between occasional heat check and unapologetic chucker. Not Curry.
I could argue just as easily that it meant nothing for over a decade with regards to Kobe.
Kobe went through an entire career of being an elite score and shot maker, and above all else a winner.
Today, people pull up a stat sheet and say, "but his effective field goal percentage..."
So?
He did what it took to win. At times, he went through long stretches where he essentially entertained himself.
Did he take some bad shots at those times? Sure. Was he sometimes less efficient than he could have been? Absolutely.
But you know what? Didn't matter. He did what he had to do when he needed to do it and they won.
Again, I love Curry. Love watching him play. But as great as he is, a big part of his success is the fact that nobody is allowed to touch him.
He would have still been a terrific player in a different era, but I am highly doubtful that his numbers would have been the same.
Kobe played in an era of isolation plays and volume scoring. Effective teams in the late 90s and early 2000's all had at least one player like this. Iverson, McGrady, Carter, etc. back then, ball hogs won you a lot of games because of the rules against zone defenses.
Today that style doesn't cut it and those kinds of players don't get much clock, let alone shots.
That said, I agree with everyone who says Kobe was a phenom for his era and curry is for his
Today that style doesn't cut it and those kinds of players don't get much clock, let alone shots.
That said, I agree with everyone who says Kobe was a phenom for his era and curry is for his
Come on. Ask Steve Kerr if Curry ever takes a bad shot.
He doesn't take many, but he isn't perfect.
no one said he is perfect. Him taking contested shot is still a decent shot. He's one of those rarified player where bad shots aren't bad anymore.
Greatest example is MJ's fadeaway jump shot. It's a TERRIBLE shot to take, unless you are MJ. I loved watching so many people copy this move and become highly inefficient.
Curry is the same deal. He's making people think what he does is good for themselves. What Curry does, is great for Curry only. He really doesn't take bad shot. He takes decent shots, good shots, and great shots.
That's easy, Phenom! If your team is winning, he's the straw..... If he's like Kobe Bryant the last couple of years, ball hog... Who only thinks about padding more stats onto his career....
They are playing a somewhat new kind of basketball in the NBA, and other teams simply can't stop it. They don't have the personnel. But teams will adjust, the whole league is going to change, and is changing, because of GSW. Can they be successful three years from now?
And I'm sorry, but that team couldn't be more tailored for Curry. Dude is good, but people need to get off his nuts. Thompson makes his job VERY easy.
And I'm sorry, but that team couldn't be more tailored for Curry. Dude is good, but people need to get off his nuts. Thompson makes his job VERY easy.
He wasn't a phenom at the start of last season, nor the 5 seasons before that. I think this is more GSW having a winning, unbeatable, Hurry-up-equivalent-offense, that teams just don't know what to do with.. than this being all about Curry.
He's not Lebron..
He's not Lebron..
That's true. He's actually better (at least offensively).
Same goes for Kobe. Curry's a deadlier and more efficient scorer than he was.
Is this a joke? Curry is the best shooter/pure ph in the nba the guy is incredible. After Davis, he would be my second pick. By your rational, guys like lebron are ball hogs but if they are producing let them shoot. Curry is an absolute beast
Curry has always been phenomenal from the 3point line. If you disagree with that, you're 100% clueless. His career 3 pt % is .441,and he's never finished a season below .424. (Kobe's overall career FG%, BTW, is .450). The difference the last 2 years is that he's now also an assassin in the lane.
I meant as a player in general. And that, he is not better than lebron.
Shooter? Yes. I think there's only two players in history who still edge him out, Miller and Shuttlesworth.
Shooter? Yes. I think there's only two players in history who still edge him out, Miller and Shuttlesworth.
Why?
People also need to understand, Curry isn't just a shooter. He's the best shooter of all time, yes. However, he's the best ball handler in the league right now and one of the top passer in the league.
With his quick release shooting off the dribble, puts so much pressure on defense.
These GS Warriors are basically Kerr's Revenge.
Most people don't realize that he was a 50/50/90 guy with the '96 Bulls. Through Curry, Kerr is showing what he could have done if MJ and Pippen hadn't hogged the ball so much
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Because he's not a two-way player. Curry gets burned so many times, and relinquishes tough defensive assignments to a top15 defender in Thompson. You think Curry would have as strong of legs to shoot if he actually puts heavy emphasis on defense? If anything, that's more indicative of a SG (or combo guards) profile than anything against Curry. Do one thing, and do it well.
We'll see how good he is when (if) GSW gets a few set backs on injury, if he ever losses Thompson as a running mate, when teams figure out how to play GSW, or even when teams start to emulate them .. I think he'll still be a top10-15 player when the above happens, but he won't be the best in the league.
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