Star LSU wide reciever placed almost 9,000 bets, some on his own games

[JHB4UK]

Get used to this news. Like Iowa & Iowa St last summer. Now that sports gambling is a phone app click away nationwide, the stories of college players getting caught betting is only gonna dramatically increase.



And before anyone says "so! He's an adult! It is legal for everyone else!" Sorry, rules are rules.

Every college athlete, every pro athlete has it preached to them by speakers and team officials that they cannot bet. At all. On anything. Signs are up in every college locker room across the country. They all know they can't do it. Why, because they get into holes, then they are asked to help make this Saturdays game a little closer than expected.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I remember when all the talking heads promised nothing like his would ever happen. Of course that was right before all these companies coincidentally dumped truck loads of money into their shows. I'm sure that definitely had nothing to do with the messaging.

But ya....this is definitely going on all over the country.

 

[CRZ4UK]

Get used to this news. Like Iowa & Iowa St last summer. Now that sports gambling is a phone app click away nationwide, the stories of college players getting caught betting is only gonna dramatically increase.

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And before anyone says "so! He's an adult! It is legal for everyone else!" Sorry, rules are rules.

Every college athlete, every pro athlete has it preached to them by speakers and team officials that they cannot bet. At all. On anything. Signs are up in every college locker room across the country. They all know they can't do it. Why, because they get into holes, then they are asked to help make this Saturdays game a little closer than expected.

Big deal. He’s out of school. It’s not illegal. Just against NCAA rules. If he was in school still. Fifty bucks says he could sue the NCAA for its rule and win anyway. Unless they break away and make them employees, they can’t enforce any rules. Players are mostly minorities and no court is gonna rule against minorities. They would be crucified.

 

[WildcatofNati2]

Big deal. He’s out of school. It’s not illegal. Just against NCAA rules. If he was in school still. Fifty bucks says he could sue the NCAA for its rule and win anyway. Unless they break away and make them employees, they can’t enforce any rules. Players are mostly minorities and no court is gonna rule against minorities. They would be crucified.

Man, he got  arrested. This is not a NCAA issue. I have no idea what level of true legal exposure, if any, he has, because, innocent until proven guilty not to mention this is probably not sounding like prison anyway. But is above the NCAA jurisdiction. The NCAA cannot arrest you, much less charge you for a Felony. The Louisiana State Police can, and did.

 

[Lost In FL]

Big deal. He’s out of school. It’s not illegal. Just against NCAA rules. If he was in school still. Fifty bucks says he could sue the NCAA for its rule and win anyway. Unless they break away and make them employees, they can’t enforce any rules. Players are mostly minorities and no court is gonna rule against minorities. They would be crucified.

I don't know if you were trying to be funny responding to a post that is kind of "anti-betting" with the "Fifty bucks says ...", but I hope you were trying to be funny. BC IMO that is comedic gold ... kind of like the scene from Dumb and Dumber. I thought it was funny.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Yeah I think the NCAA is out of this one. Unless I am mistaken he bet on LSU games. I don't know much about gambling but I believe that is against the law and could lead to jailtime.

 

[CRZ4UK]

Yeah I think the NCAA is out of this one. Unless I am mistaken he bet on LSU games. I don't know much about gambling but I believe that is against the law and could lead to jailtime.

Only if they can prove a conspiracy to alter the outcome. The 51 team in baseball. They proved the conspiracy. If it’s just him it can never be proven he didn’t try. You would need a bookie payment to him to throw it Some testimony that he conspired to defraud.

 

[CRZ4UK]

Man, he got  arrested. This is not a NCAA issue. I have no idea what level of true legal exposure, if any, he has, because, innocent until proven guilty not to mention this is probably not sounding like prison anyway. But is above the NCAA jurisdiction. The NCAA cannot arrest you, much less charge you for a Felony. The Louisiana State Police can, and did.

Then they must have proof he conspired to defraud. That would probably involve other people then. It would be hard to prove he didn’t try just because he had money on it alone. Pete Rose bet on his games too. They tried to find conspiracy I’m sure but never did I guess. With the courts today?? Who knows?? The NCAA can’t even enforce rules for a voluntary league without losing a lawsuit.
Edit:: just read about it. He was arrested for computer fraud and gambling under the age of 21. Guess he lied about his age to open the account. That’s different than being arrested for defrauding Vegas and fixing a spread.

 

[K_TIME]

I remember when all the talking heads promised nothing like his would ever happen. Of course that was right before all these companies coincidentally dumped truck loads of money into their shows. I'm sure that definitely had nothing to do with the messaging.

But ya....this is definitely going on all over the country.

I’m dead on wjtb this take

Most everyone desire player to grt paid, player freedom to move as they desire…..now gambling is a bigger advertising then beer in football…..how csn you be shocked this is happening?

Maybe some people need to think about why some boundaries/rules were set in the first place before we start tearing them down

But if funny business starts matriculating into a sport…betting on team to lose/not cover spread. Betting on how many yards/scores a team and/or player will get, etc. you talk about death mail to a sport

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Only if they can prove a conspiracy to alter the outcome. The 51 team in baseball. They proved the conspiracy. If it’s just him it can never be proven he didn’t try. You would need a bookie payment to him to throw it Some testimony that he conspired to defraud.

Regardless of what can be proven, he is damaged goods if he had NFL goals that's likely gone because he has a problem, bet on his game All against NFL policy.

 

[CRZ4UK]

Regardless of what can be proven, he is damaged goods if he had NFL goals that's likely gone because he has a problem, bet on his game All against NFL policy.

That might be the one thing they would look down on. Lol. The guy could have killed his grandma and they wouldn’t care if he could help them win, but homie made a bet with their sponsors.

 

[TankedCat]

this was a concern with sports books opening up across the country as well

 

[BlueRaider22]

The fact that he gambled doesn't bother me too much. The fact that he places over 9000 bets is concerning. Now you're getting into addiction/problem category........and possibly the reason why he went in the 6th rd.

 

[K_TIME]

That might be the one thing they would look down on. Lol. The guy could have killed his grandma and they wouldn’t care if he could help them win, but homie made a bet with their sponsors.

Never thought about it like that….you mess with the business aspect of sports..you’re dead to them…you act like a criminal otherwise…second chances galore 😝

 

[JHB4UK]

Players gambling puts the games fans watch as being suspect, as being fixed, as being illegitimate. It turns it from games of chance to predetermined WWF scripted entertainment. And thus chases fans off.

That's why gambling is a red line in college & pro sports, it is a 3rd rail, players cannot do it and there will not be any liberalization on that rule

 

[WizardWCN]

I'm pretty sure when each state passed laws allowing gambling, it included a person can not bet on a sport they can have an effect on the outcome.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

I’m dead on wjtb this take

Most everyone desire player to grt paid, player freedom to move as they desire…..now gambling is a bigger advertising then beer in football…..how csn you be shocked this is happening?

Maybe some people need to think about why some boundaries/rules were set in the first place before we start tearing them down

But if funny business starts matriculating into a sport…betting on team to lose/not cover spread. Betting on how many yards/scores a team and/or player will get, etc. you talk about death mail to a sport

The level of permeation in a short period of time is mind-blowing. Sports betting ads are literally everywhere, all the time, and have a slew of celebrities in them too. I can't imagine their marketing budget but it must be obscene. That alone tells you how much money they make.

Then you see the numbers and it's just beyond conception. I literally couldn't believe how much money gets bet in Kentucky. There was more in a month than I thought would get bet in a year

Players gambling puts the games fans watch as being suspect, as being fixed, as being illegitimate. It turns it from games of chance to predetermined WWF scripted entertainment. And thus chases fans off.

That's why gambling is a red line in college & pro sports, it is a 3rd rail, players cannot do it and there will not be any liberalization on that rule

We see all the news about the players that get caught and we're all told the officials never bet. Lol ya right. Officiating was always inconsistent but just so happened to turn God awful right about the time sports betting went into the stratosphere. All coincidence I'm sure.

Good thing we have such saints officiating these sports amirite

 

[optimus-blue]

Big deal. He’s out of school. It’s not illegal. Just against NCAA rules. If he was in school still. Fifty bucks says he could sue the NCAA for its rule and win anyway. Unless they break away and make them employees, they can’t enforce any rules. Players are mostly minorities and no court is gonna rule against minorities. They would be crucified.

Got a feeling this is bigger than NCAA just from the read.I don’t personally gamble but if I did I sure as heck would not want the players and teams im betting on having placed 9000 bets lol that a bunch of exposure to games . If there is soft ware that can send you adds based on shopping habits you can bet their are for your betting habits and AI that can figure out who the individuals actually involved in sports who are betting . Slippery slope pretty fast once they know you are a player betting heavily . Just think of it this way say you are say Miami of Ohio’s qb the spread against UK is 24 points and you owe a betting company 10000 dollars from lost bets . Lets say at the half of your game UK is up by 14 . Easy at half walk in place your bets on your phone ( players text from sidelines now lol ) walk out and next 2 series throw 2 pick 6’s and fumble the 3rd series and problems solved. No way they don’t regulated players betting if you can do it without organized crime lol what do you think they can do when organized crime gets involved ( you can be sure they are already) . College sports is ripe for a scandal free money NIL , states willing to look the other way , betting services available at all times , majority of players from lower socioeconomic households and no oversite lol . Oh yeah nothing to see here lol.

 

[Smashcat]

The fact that he gambled doesn't bother me too much. The fact that he places over 9000 bets is concerning. Now you're getting into addiction/problem category........and possibly the reason why he went in the 6th rd.

This.

 

[JHB4UK]

We see all the news about the players that get caught and we're all told the officials never bet. Lol ya right. Officiating was always inconsistent but just so happened to turn God awful right about the time sports betting went into the stratosphere. All coincidence I'm sure.

Good thing we have such saints officiating these sports amirite

you can believe shady stuff goes on, it's natural. I've read up on what leagues and conferences and teams are doing to check people on this. In cooperation with betting sites & casinos. Geolocation analysis, trend breaking wagers, the kind of red flags that are raised on suspicious activity which is how the Bama baseball coach was caught (and fired) and the Iowa/Iowa St kids were caught.

And nobody is more examined and watched than the refs. Those guys have to sign up for technical surveillances that are urology exams. Why, because crooked refs will kill sports faster than players in a betting hole.

 

[trueblujr2]

Big deal. He’s out of school. It’s not illegal. Just against NCAA rules. If he was in school still. Fifty bucks says he could sue the NCAA for its rule and win anyway. Unless they break away and make them employees, they can’t enforce any rules. Players are mostly minorities and no court is gonna rule against minorities. They would be crucified.

Did you read the part where he bet on LSU, WHILE HE WAS STILL AT LSU? Pete Rose is permanently banned from ever being inducted in the baseball HOF for that very thing.

 

[Soupbean]

Big deal. He’s out of school. It’s not illegal. Just against NCAA rules. If he was in school still. Fifty bucks says he could sue the NCAA for its rule and win anyway. Unless they break away and make them employees, they can’t enforce any rules. Players are mostly minorities and no court is gonna rule against minorities. They would be crucified.

You're missing the point. Its not about whether something is illegal or not, its what it will do to the game. There is no question players will be caught up in it and it will affect performances and outcomes in games more and more. Its just too easy and it is already ingrained in the culture. Just like Facebook used to be or Instagram is now, all everybody does now is check their betting apps 30 times a day. So they are going to bet and some are going to get in situations where it affects their performance. Its just reality.

 

[trueblujr2]

Players gambling puts the games fans watch as being suspect, as being fixed, as being illegitimate. It turns it from games of chance to predetermined WWF scripted entertainment. And thus chases fans off.

That's why gambling is a red line in college & pro sports, it is a 3rd rail, players cannot do it and there will not be any liberalization on that rule

Hard to know if NFL isn't fixed to a point anyway. Look at the Super Bowl logos from the past three years and compare it to the team colors of the participants.

 

[bigblueinsanity]

you can believe shady stuff goes on, it's natural. I've read up on what leagues and conferences and teams are doing to check people on this. In cooperation with betting sites & casinos. Geolocation analysis, trend breaking wagers, the kind of red flags that are raised on suspicious activity which is how the Bama baseball coach was caught (and fired) and the Iowa/Iowa St kids were caught.

And nobody is more examined and watched than the refs. Those guys have to sign up for technical surveillances that are urology exams. Why, because crooked refs will kill sports faster than players in a betting hole.

Of course it's entirely possible all these years went by and only one ever did anything wrong.

However given the amount of time, money, and people as variables - it's extremely unlikely only one person ever crossed that line.

 

[JHB4UK]

Agreed!

But today in the here & now, a ref would have to work really freaking hard to bet & then affect a game to cash in.

It is in Draft Kings best financial interest fans believe games are legit. And BetMGM, and Fan Dual, and all of them.

 

[Grumpyolddawg]

Agreed!

But today in the here & now, a ref would have to work really freaking hard to bet & then affect a game to cash in.

It is in Draft Kings best financial interest fans believe games are legit. And BetMGM, and Fan Dual, and all of them.

Agreed, with replays on all close calls, the only way is to miss a holding call, or call one and getting a star player in foul trouble. Just last night LSU's star fouled out at home and Carolina was able to complete the comeback.

 

[CatWhistle]

I really don’t mind them betting on NFL, college basketball, tennis, etc. But on your own team’s games…10-15 prison.

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

The fact that he gambled doesn't bother me too much. The fact that he places over 9000 bets is concerning. Now you're getting into addiction/problem category........and possibly the reason why he went in the 6th rd.

Exactly IDK much about online gambling , but you’ve got to be working OT to place 9000 bets.

 

[KYCAT78]

Get used to this news. Like Iowa & Iowa St last summer. Now that sports gambling is a phone app click away nationwide, the stories of college players getting caught betting is only gonna dramatically increase.

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And before anyone says "so! He's an adult! It is legal for everyone else!" Sorry, rules are rules.

Every college athlete, every pro athlete has it preached to them by speakers and team officials that they cannot bet. At all. On anything. Signs are up in every college locker room across the country. They all know they can't do it. Why, because they get into holes, then they are asked to help make this Saturdays game a little closer than expected.

NIL at work. He may have killed any chance at a pro career.

 

[satcheluk]

Got a feeling this is bigger than NCAA just from the read.I don’t personally gamble but if I did I sure as heck would not want the players and teams im betting on having placed 9000 bets lol that a bunch of exposure to games . If there is soft ware that can send you adds based on shopping habits you can bet their are for your betting habits and AI that can figure out who the individuals actually involved in sports who are betting . Slippery slope pretty fast once they know you are a player betting heavily . Just think of it this way say you are say Miami of Ohio’s qb the spread against UK is 24 points and you owe a betting company 10000 dollars from lost bets . Lets say at the half of your game UK is up by 14 . Easy at half walk in place your bets on your phone ( players text from sidelines now lol ) walk out and next 2 series throw 2 pick 6’s and fumble the 3rd series and problems solved. No way they don’t regulated players betting if you can do it without organized crime lol what do you think they can do when organized crime gets involved ( you can be sure they are already) . College sports is ripe for a scandal free money NIL , states willing to look the other way , betting services available at all times , majority of players from lower socioeconomic households and no oversite lol . Oh yeah nothing to see here lol.

Betting apps don't offer credit, so you can't go into a hole unless you are using an illegal bookie.

 

[Bereacat420]

Big deal. He’s out of school. It’s not illegal. Just against NCAA rules. If he was in school still. Fifty bucks says he could sue the NCAA for its rule and win anyway. Unless they break away and make them employees, they can’t enforce any rules. Players are mostly minorities and no court is gonna rule against minorities. They would be crucified.

The illegal part for was he wasnt 21 when he made the bets. He used false names to do it. That is why he was arrested. Says he made 500k

 

[Tskware]

Players gambling puts the games fans watch as being suspect, as being fixed, as being illegitimate. It turns it from games of chance to predetermined WWF scripted entertainment. And thus chases fans off.

That's why gambling is a red line in college & pro sports, it is a 3rd rail, players cannot do it and there will not be any liberalization on that rule

But not in horse racing, nor in boxing either apparently. Owners, trainers and jockeys routinely bet on their horses, and it is perfectly legal.

Just a couple of days ago I read about a guy who went into a Miami casino and tried to bet $500,000 that a particular fight would last longer than 5 1/2 rounds. Was a low level welterweight fight and the casino would not accept a bet that large on a prop bet, so eventually he bet $100K on the fight. It was only AFTER they took the bet that they got suspicious and found out it was the manager of the boxer who was heavily favored. Amazingly, even though his guy had been winning by KO early in most fights, this one went ten rounds!!!!!!! Who saw that coming?? Although the boxer claims he had no knowledge of what his manager did (OF COURSE NOT!!!), there is apparently no national agency to make this sort of bet illegal in boxing, and it is common for managers to bet on their own guy to win.

If it was just straight win/lose betting, I would honestly not see that big of a problem with players and coaches betting on their own team. But when you start adding in point spreads, that is where shady stuff is much much more likely to happen, just like the boxing match above.

Of course, if Coach A usually bets on his team to win, and then the week of the big game, he does not place a bet, I would concede that an argument could be made that in itself is an indication that he doesn't like his own team's chances which could affect betting trends (assuming the public found out somehow that Coach A was betting on his team's games, which is probably not likely)

 

[bigblueinsanity]

This basketball game is a perfect example of my post. Literally zero contact whatsoever from the UK player. Obvious flop from Arkansas.

Yet somehow even after replay they still call a flagrant on UK. There is zero chance anyone at this level is that incompetent. Literally none. If they're not incompetent then the only motivation left is either team loyalty (already screened out) or something else.

So it's something else. Other than money - what could it be?

 

[pauled]

He had to have something to do after he got hurt in the Kentucky game!

 

[BlueTick2]

I wonder what Pete Rose thinks of this.

 

[yes_takeaside]

I really don’t mind them betting on NFL, college basketball, tennis, etc. But on your own team’s games…10-15 prison.

How about family/friends betting on their games. Gambling is almost always an addiction imo. If it gets out of control all bets are ON

 

[Girthang]

I remember when all the talking heads promised nothing like his would ever happen. Of course that was right AFTER all these companies coincidentally dumped truck loads of money into their shows. I'm sure that definitely had nothing to do with the messaging.

But ya....this is definitely going on all over the country.

Yep. KSRadio had been promoting it for several years and finally got their payday from it. Everybody still in the Corp media world is a sellout. The whole lot. They'll say or promote anything to put money in their pockets.

 

[Girthang]

This basketball game is a perfect example of my post. Literally zero contact whatsoever from the UK player. Obvious flop from Arkansas.

Yet somehow even after replay they still call a flagrant on UK. There is zero chance anyone at this level is that incompetent. Literally none. If they're not incompetent then the only motivation left is either team loyalty (already screened out) or something else.

So it's something else. Other than money - what could it be?

Totally spot on.

 

[Girthang]

I don't care if someone bets on his team to win a game. Period. That should be allowed. No one should be allowed to bet point spreads or for their own team to lose.

If they want to get a handle on this now, the associations need to make it a rule that all bets and betting accounts by an athlete actively in competition are registered with the association and monitored. I'm sure they'd rather keep the drama going instead

 

[ukfan1622]

I just wanted to point out that owing online books for lost bets is pretty much impossible
since they all require you to put up your money for losing bets up front.

So if a player did owe an online book for lost bets then something else(that would likely be illegal) would have been going on.