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J_Dee

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Do you enjoy it?

As a teen (early '90s), I explored two very easy caves with family guides. I didn't enjoy it and I'll never do it again. My parents took my siblings and me to Mammoth Cave a few times when we were kids. I may visit it again someday.

Stuff like this terrifies me:



 
Not for me, and I love to do exploring stuff. If I can’t stand up and walk in, I’m going pass.

I went down a YT rabbit hole of caving once and found it fascinating, but also saw the nutty putty story and said I’ll stick with hiking above ground.
 
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As a far younger man, my buddies and I would go explore Wind Cave around McKee back when it was open to the public. I generally enjoyed. However, there was one room (the Cathedral?) where you had to low crawl on your belly for about 100 yards before you came into a giant room that opened up like, tada, a cathedral.

It was beautiful once you got there but I could not take being in the middle of a line of guys crawling on their bellies in a hole in the dark. Inevitably someone in front would get stuck and the whole line would cease up. Felt like a trapped animal. Nope.

There was a corkscrew in Wind Cave like the one in the video above. I stuck my head down into just to see. I was young and skinny back then and I had to almost pull my shoulders out of socket to make the first break. Again -- nope.
 
As a far younger man, my buddies and I would go explore Wind Cave around McKee back when it was open to the public. I generally enjoyed. However, there was one room (the Cathedral?) where you had to low crawl on your belly for about 100 yards before you came into a giant room that opened up like, tada, a cathedral.

It was beautiful once you got there but I could not take being in the middle of a line of guys crawling on their bellies in a hole in the dark. Inevitably someone in front would get stuck and the whole line would cease up. Felt like a trapped animal. Nope.

There was a corkscrew in Wind Cave like the one in the video above. I stuck my head down into just to see. I was young and skinny back then and I had to almost pull my shoulders out of socket to make the first break. Again -- nope.
I’ve made many trips into Coach Cave near Park City Kentucky. Coach was once a commercial cave (no longer) and has about four and a half miles of passageways. To get to most of the non-commercial part requires traversing a 2500’ passage called Spring Avenue. It starts out being seven feet high and is about 20’ wide the entire length. However the floor gradually rises and by the 1500’ mark, you’ve had to do a couple of short hands-and-knees crawling sections. For the last 1000’ feet, the highest point in the passage is 27” high, and the first 400’ of that is only 14” high. Still wide though. We have four aluminum snow saucers there with short lengths of rope attached. You throw your pack on one and tie it to your ankle and drag it behind you. The floor is covered with little round rocks that make it easier for the saucers to slide.

After you leave Spring Avenue you can walk for 50’ before you have a choice of two different hands-and -knees crawls, one 500’ long the other 700’. (Reaching the 500 footer requires a harnesses and vertical gear and jumping across a 25’ drop while rigged into a rope)

I’ve told people that to reach the most remote part of Coach is not especially physically hard - the cave is dry, 55 degrees F, no wetsuit, rope or climbing gear needed - most of the way if you want to take a rest you’re already lying down. You just have to tell yourself that it’s OK that for most of the next 10-12 hours either the wall, ceiling or floor is going to be 6-8” from your face. 😀

The reward for all this is often you get to see things of great beauty that few others do and sometimes you get to go places no human being has ever been.

Back in 1995 in another cave not far from Coach our project got to do both. We found a virgin passage (never before seen by humans) that was bigger than 25’x25’ for over a mile and in the middle half a mile you couldn’t see the limestone ceiling and walls because they were completely covered with a beautiful pure white gypsum crust with literally millions of gypsum flowers as much as 12” long. In many places they had repeatedly broken off of their own weight and piled up on the floor. Our next trips after the initial discovery we laid down a three foot wide trail with flagging tape and don’t allow anyone to go off trail for any reason. It’s one of the most spectacular passages in the US. Due to the combination of tight crawls and vertical rope work required, probably less had 200 people have ever seen it.
 
I’ve made many trips into Coach Cave near Park City Kentucky. Coach was once a commercial cave (no longer) and has about four and a half miles of passageways. To get to most of the non-commercial part requires traversing a 2500’ passage called Spring Avenue. It starts out being seven feet high and is about 20’ wide the entire length. However the floor gradually rises and by the 1500’ mark, you’ve had to do a couple of short hands-and-knees crawling sections. For the last 1000’ feet, the highest point in the passage is 27” high, and the first 400’ of that is only 14” high. Still wide though. We have four aluminum snow saucers there with short lengths of rope attached. You throw your pack on one and tie it to your ankle and drag it behind you. The floor is covered with little round rocks that make it easier for the saucers to slide.

After you leave Spring Avenue you can walk for 50’ before you have a choice of two different hands-and -knees crawls, one 500’ long the other 700’. (Reaching the 500 footer requires a harnesses and vertical gear and jumping across a 25’ drop while rigged into a rope)

I’ve told people that to reach the most remote part of Coach is not especially physically hard - the cave is dry, 55 degrees F, no wetsuit, rope or climbing gear needed - most of the way if you want to take a rest you’re already lying down. You just have to tell yourself that it’s OK that for most of the next 10-12 hours either the wall, ceiling or floor is going to be 6-8” from your face. 😀

The reward for all this is often you get to see things of great beauty that few others do and sometimes you get to go places no human being has ever been.

Back in 1995 in another cave not far from Coach our project got to do both. We found a virgin passage (never before seen by humans) that was bigger than 25’x25’ for over a mile and in the middle half a mile you couldn’t see the limestone ceiling and walls because they were completely covered with a beautiful pure white gypsum crust with literally millions of gypsum flowers as much as 12” long. In many places they had repeatedly broken off of their own weight and piled up on the floor. Our next trips after the initial discovery we laid down a three foot wide trail with flagging tape and don’t allow anyone to go off trail for any reason. It’s one of the most spectacular passages in the US. Due to the combination of tight crawls and vertical rope work required, probably less had 200 people have ever seen it.
I'm from Barren County. During the civil war, Barren County was pro-confederate. People would hide things from union soldiers in caves.
 
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I thought I was going to be scared of tight spaces, and I was freaking out before my first real cave trip. After about 30 minutes I absolutely loved it. I ended up going on some wild cave trips over the next 8ish years. I did some mapping which was boring AF but got to do some exploration in a few caves where nobody had ever been.

I got to do a portal-to-portal Mammoth cave trip. It was 11 hours and we were basically pack mules for some British scientist who were touring Mammoth. Did a small cave that had a passage known as orgasm chasm due to just be a sloppy muddy mess. Did a few drops in caves with rappelling.

Back pain and bad knees made me stop. It was weird how peaceful I felt once you got into the cave a bit.
 
Never been, but I don't get it. Why would you risk your life going to such unstable places? I get wanting adventure; but this just seems absurd. Plus I've seen The Descent. A climber just fell to his death in Washington, he was like 30 years old.
 
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Never been, but I don't get it. Why would you risk your life going to such unstable places? I get wanting adventure; but this just seems absurd. Plus I've seen The Descent. A climber just fell to his death in Washington, he was like 30 years old.
Unstable? Caves are very stable. People inside Mammoth cave didn't even feel the New Madrid Earthquake. It shook bells in NYC but the cave was rock solid.
 
Definitely had some fun and interesting times exploring smaller caves. Can’t see anything too claustrophobic. I’d love to see some pictures of what you’re talking about @Myotis
 
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Definitely had some fun and interesting times exploring smaller caves. Can’t see anything too claustrophobic. I’d love to see some pictures of what you’re talking about @Myotis

Don't have any online images to link, I only took slides in the cave. We did publish the story of the exploration of Jackpot Cave (which is where the huge gypsum passage is) in the July 2008 issue of the National Speleological Society News, and it's online but only available to members. There are photos in the article.
 
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Caves, meh...

You know what separates the men from the boys? Cave DIVING...

I’ve done horizontal caves, intense vertical caves, tight crawls, wetsuit trips with only inches of airspace, dug my way through fill and breakdown, and one international expedition, but the one form of caving I never had any inclination to try was cave diving. No thanks. If I get hurt in a cave, I’ll pull the garbage bag out of my helmet, slip it on (for warmth) and wait for my team to come help. Gnaw on a candy bar and drink some electrolytes while I’m waiting. What I don’t want to do is look over my shoulder at a gauge that tells me how many minutes till I drown. I respect those who do it well, but have no desire to try it for myself.
 
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Don't have any online images to link, I only took slides in the cave. We did publish the story of the exploration of Jackpot Cave (which is where the huge gypsum passage is) in the July 2008 issue of the National Speleological Society News, and it's online but only available to members. There are photos in the article.

Really cool. Sounds like an amazing experience. Thanks for sharing it.
 
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Really cool. Sounds like an amazing experience. Thanks for sharing it.
Glad you enjoyed it. It was definitely one of high points of 45 years of caving. In 1996 I went pushing and mapping Jackpot Cave every other weekend from Feb 10th thru Labor Day and shortest trip was 14 hours. We’d come out exhausted after an 18 hour trip and could hardly wait two weeks to head back in. The first/last 500’ was very challenging - tight crawls interspersed with rope work - but we all did it so frequently we knew every hand hold, everywhere to push off of, and exactly how to contort through every constriction to reach the spectacular cave beyond. It was great fun!
 
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I'm fine in areas big enough to walk or even squat through but once you have to worm on your belly through....oh hell no.
There is a tight section in that cave in Otter creek park that we were going through as Boy scouts. That's when I learned I'm claustrophobic. Said nope, I'm done and walked my happy ass back out.
 
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I went into that cave at Otter Creek with some a couple of dumbass friends in the early 90’s. All we took was a shitty Everready plastic flashlight. We went pretty far in and turned it off and reality hit us. That if they tiny light died we were in trouble .

Also midway through, one of my friends had to take a shit. He went way up on the wall and crapped. The smell was so bad on the way out that I vomited. This was about 3 minutes before passing a small tour group. They were in for a surprise
 
I'm fine in areas big enough to walk or even squat through but once you have to worm on your belly through....all hell no.
There is a tight section in that cave in Otter creek park that we were going through as Boy scouts. That's when I learned I'm claustrophobic. Said nope, I'm done and walked my happy ass back out.
I thought you lived in British Columbia.
 
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Not my photos by I used to be a member of the Louisville Grotto. Not sure how they are as a group now but we used to have lots of fun. Very diverse group of characters from multimillionaire self made men to pot smoking hippie types to 10 year Army vets and everything in between.
 
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I'm not a huge fan of being in an MRI machine for like an hour. So I'm guessing I'd really hate crawling through a tight cave for any amount of time. Plus with a bad back and bad knees, I definitely couldn't make it far. I'm not sure I can do the easy Mammoth Cave tours these days with all of the steps and long walks.
 
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I'm not a huge fan of being in an MRI machine for like an hour. So I'm guessing I'd really hate crawling through a tight cave for any amount of time. Plus with a bad back and bad knees, I definitely couldn't make it far. I'm not sure I can do the easy Mammoth Cave tours these days with all of the steps and long walks.


I was in an MRI about six months ago, and had a panic attack after about ten seconds. I literally screamed and wrangled myself of of the machine, then went to the floor. Took me maybe five minutes to recuperate. The girls running it were awesome, they knew just what to do. And they said they see people panic all the time.
 
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I was in an MRI about six months ago, and had a panic attack after about ten seconds. I literally screamed and wrangled myself of of the machine, then went to the floor. Took me maybe five minutes to recuperate. The girls running it were awesome, they knew just what to do. And they said they see people panic all the time.
It is the sound in addition to the confinement.

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Started the videos in the the first post. Didn't make it far. Makes me squirm and get nervous. Yes I'm that claustrophobic.
Sounds like me when I see videos dealing with heights. I see something filmed high up and it's like I'm up there to. Hands start sweating, heartbeat speeds up, and feel a little dizziness. I wasn't always like that. I never liked heights all that much but I dealt with it fine. Flew like 30 times and was alright once the plane got off the ground. Now I don't think I can fly anymore.

I first noticed the issue when I went up in the Sears (Willis) Tower back in I think 2011. It hit me going up really fast in that elevator. Then when we got to the 108th floor (?), you could feel the building sway. I think I about had an anxiety attack. I couldn't stay up there for more than like 15 minutes. My 10 year old son went out on the glass floor observation area. I was like
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Had to reuse that @Creed Bratton.

To be honest, I think 9/11 caused my problems. Watching massive structures go down like they did with people in there or jumping out of the windows broke me subconsciously. Seeing people trapped in mines would probably do the same thing to me if I were in a tight cave. Especially if there were a light issue.
 
I'm not a huge fan of being in an MRI machine for like an hour. So I'm guessing I'd really hate crawling through a tight cave for any amount of time. Plus with a bad back and bad knees, I definitely couldn't make it far. I'm not sure I can do the easy Mammoth Cave tours these days with all of the steps and long walks.
One of the benefits of being a caver. MRI is a piece of cake. Tight yes, but not compared to a lot of places I’ve been, plus it’s clean and dry.

Made a trip into Sloan’s Valley Cave many years ago and did a crawlway on a route to the Lunchroom, I think it was called. Was about 12-14”wide and maybe 2’ high. 20 foot long, probably less - it’s been a long time. Anyway, there was a S turn in the middle. You hand to go in on your right side to bend around the first turn, then flip over to your left side to bend around the second. Pushing your cave pack ahead of you with one hand as you went.
 
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As a far younger man, my buddies and I would go explore Wind Cave around McKee back when it was open to the public. I generally enjoyed. However, there was one room (the Cathedral?) where you had to low crawl on your belly for about 100 yards before you came into a giant room that opened up like, tada, a cathedral.

It was beautiful once you got there but I could not take being in the middle of a line of guys crawling on their bellies in a hole in the dark. Inevitably someone in front would get stuck and the whole line would cease up. Felt like a trapped animal. Nope.

There was a corkscrew in Wind Cave like the one in the video above. I stuck my head down into just to see. I was young and skinny back then and I had to almost pull my shoulders out of socket to make the first break. Again -- nope.
I lived in Jackson County and went to Wind Cave several times....the last time, we were pretty far back and the flashlight failed. Zero fun.
 
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I lived in Jackson County and went to Wind Cave several times....the last time, we were pretty far back and the flashlight failed. Zero fun.
Oh shit. Do you remember where you were? Just reading that caused me to panic and immediately start mapping that cave in my mind. If I recall correctly, there is the Beach with the hill of sand that is about 1000 yards from daylight. Jesus that must have felt good.
 
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Oh shit. Do you remember where you were? Just reading that caused me to panic and immediately start mapping that cave in my mind. If I recall correctly, there is the Beach with the hill of sand that is about 1000 yards from daylight. Jesus that must have felt good.
All I knew was I was in trouble. could see a speck of light in the distance, just kept trying to make that speck bigger. I don't do caves anymore.
 
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All I knew was I was in trouble. could see a speck of light in the distance, just kept trying to make that speck bigger. I don't do caves anymore.
Back farther there are 20 foot dead drops that would be the sort of fatal where they find you with broken legs but you die of dehydration.

You are blessed.
 
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