You heavily implied that all the demanding fans are buttholes. Go spoon with Cal in a dog stroller.
Sounds like Hurley has no interest
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I agree with all of that. But if he looks at it, he's got a much better chance of making a final four next year at UConn than he does coming to a brand new place and certainly starting from the ground up (in terms of next years roster construction). I'll definitely come back and say I'm wrong if he somehow becomes the next UK coach. But he was point blank asked about it and said he wants to make a three year run at UConn. To me, there is zero chance he comes here. And I for one, am happy about that. I hate UConn. I don't want their coach to come rescue UK from mediocrity. Let's get someone else and beat him... Instead of just joining him. That's weak as hell.
Calipari just sat next to his AD a little more than a week ago where both were proclaiming he was back and he was all in 24/7 to put in the work for Kentucky
Your opinion is less than meaningless to me, so I'm not mad. Just wondering if you ever were a UK fan, genuinely. Because the truth is I can be chill with any real UK fan. Differences of opinion within a fanbase are fine. I only get mad on here when I sense that there are people who are trolls from other schools or Cal lackeys.
They have won 6 titles in 25 years under 3 coaches. Uconn is more than a little run at this point. As for Hurley himself, don't see him stopping at 2.
I never saw this UConn nightmare coming. It was bad enough in the early Cal years when he couldn't beat them. Now they've kept it up with no signs of slowing. Precisely why as a fanbase we need to demand greatness moving forward. No more ineptitude.
If you think I'm a troll, you are crippled too high for crutches. I have been completely honest at all times. I supported our coach until a couple of weeks ago. I don't care what you pitchfork and torch carrying , McCarthy hearing having Richard's think about it. Now go to school little one. Let grown-ups talk.
That's fair obviously. Call me a nut, I guess I just believe Hurley more in this situation. More off the cuff, not a scripted as that little two man show was. I also don't see any reason why Hurley would want to leave. Oats had a better chance at leaving his situation at a football school... And didn't.
I just want a coach who can do better than 1 ****ing tournament win since 2019. If you're good with that then you're not the kind of fan we need in our base. So I'm cool with you dissociating yourself from us. Bye!
Can you read!? You moronic tantrum throwing child. I have said repeatedly that I'm not happy! I'm done with Cal and ready to move on. Man are you stupid.
The whole basis for our argument was that you think people are idiots for thinking we can do better than Cal. That's what I'm arguing. YOU'RE moving the goalposts.
Most coaches who are "alpha", don't have to bullshit their way thru life. Just because Cal had fight when it came to the fans doesn't mean the media backed down. Opposing coaches already had his number.
We needed the split. With the split it's time to dig deep and gut it out. We may not have perfect timing here, but there is NO perfect timing. We were watching a door for what... two weeks when Cal was hired? A live cam feed of a door....
We'll get who we're meant to get. It's a process. This isn't a young program and a LOT of coaches aren't a good fit for what we want or expect. Some got good things going where they are. No one wants to get out of bed before they planned to on their first day off.
A LOT of the names being thrown around were not going to happen. Wishful thinking is nice, though. Shoot for the moon because we're Kentucky. I get it.
I like the Seton Hall coach, Halloway...? Drew has a good resume. Donovan. Wright.
Drew likely won't leave Baylor.
Hurley would be nuts to leave UConn when they are an ESPN (Bristol, CT) and NCAA darling for the past 20 years. Officials never cut their opponents any slack. It's a gold mine right now and they're going to get richer.
Oats appreciates this program, but likes being the upstart and underdog of sorts, even though his team wasn't the underdog when playing Cal for a couple years now. Didn't see him leaving there
Wright's not interested, even though he's been complimentary of the program and fans.
We may NEED to go through 1-2 yrs like the years preceeding Cal before we find the best situation/fit. I'm prepared for that, but wish we hadn't wasted this past year. We might have had our pick of quite a few coaches if we didn't wait one more year, but it didn't work out that way.
We'll get who we're meant to get. It's a process. This isn't a young program and a LOT of coaches aren't a good fit for what we want or expect. Some got good things going where they are. No one wants to get out of bed before they planned to on their first day off.
A LOT of the names being thrown around were not going to happen. Wishful thinking is nice, though. Shoot for the moon because we're Kentucky. I get it.
I like the Seton Hall coach, Halloway...? Drew has a good resume. Donovan. Wright.
Drew likely won't leave Baylor.
Hurley would be nuts to leave UConn when they are an ESPN (Bristol, CT) and NCAA darling for the past 20 years. Officials never cut their opponents any slack. It's a gold mine right now and they're going to get richer.
Oats appreciates this program, but likes being the upstart and underdog of sorts, even though his team wasn't the underdog when playing Cal for a couple years now. Didn't see him leaving there
Wright's not interested, even though he's been complimentary of the program and fans.
We may NEED to go through 1-2 yrs like the years preceeding Cal before we find the best situation/fit. I'm prepared for that, but wish we hadn't wasted this past year. We might have had our pick of quite a few coaches if we didn't wait one more year, but it didn't work out that way.
Good post.
Wouldn't be surprised at all if we make the wrong move first, and then the right move a couple/few years later. That's been the pattern. It's going to suck. But things weren't working. Cal was done here. For the nuthuggers reading, I ALWAYS cheered for our team in EVERY damn game. I didn't care if I'd have to hear some kind of smarmy Cal lecture afterward. I want UK wins. Period. It just hasn't been happening enough, especially when it matters most.
That isn't at all what I said. My point was that for all the greatness that comes with being the coach at Kentucky, there is a very passionate, hard to get along with fanbase. Or buttholes. People yelled at Tubby's wife at Kroger. They put for sale signs in his yard. They go after Cals family. Some folks are just dicks! These things ultimately DO effect who we get.
Sure but do you really think that doesn't happen at KU, UNC or wherever if things aren't going well?
I've said to my wife and friends many times that there is no amount of money you could pay me to do jobs like coach a blue-blood basketball/football program. I'd probably die within a week from the stress. I admit that it's hard.
That simply doesn't change the calculus when it comes to who's best for the job at any given moment. If someone is burnt toast, like Cal has been here since 2019, then unfortunately it's as simple as that. He's done.
Yes, of course, he's done. No argument. But the arrogance of thinking we can have whoever we want is looking way off. The many lists that popped up? C'mon. A coach having success somewhere for 5 mil a year is still rich. And he doesn't have to deal with us.
I'll be shocked if we don't end up with an up and Comer, or a has been. Maybe it'll work this time.
Cal placated the fans for years. Said the right things as long as the going was good. As soon as he saw some adversity (of his own making) he started to throw other people under the bus. You're right. That's not Alpha behavior. Neither is throwing jabs at people that aren't in the room.
Alpha behavior is accepting responsibility, not making excuses, not dividing the community, and adapting to situations. Cal did the opposite. He waffled, made excuses, threw his team and the fans under the bus, pitted the players against the fans, and doubled down on sht that was proven NOT to work under his leadership.
That doesn't even count putting his players in REALLY BAD positions strategically, instead of playing to their strengths and rewarding doing the right things over potential.
In sales and marketing, maybe Cal was an Alpha. On the court, he was non-factor if not a hindrance. It's tough enough to overcome poor and criminal officiating, injuries to key players, and off nights where shots aren't falling. Combine that with a coach that ignores half of the best and most appropriate tools in his toolbox, doesnt look at players so much for fit as draft potential, and you've got a ton more to overcome than most.
-Poor daily habits become exacerbated under stress.
-If you're breaking down someone else to build them back up, you can't do the rebuild and ignore any of the fundamentals.
-You don't leave UK basketball for another program unless you've really sht the bed at UK, and have ZERO clue or desire to do better.
Cal was shadow boxing to divert the attention from his poor decision making
I'm glad that we could come to a truce on this. Apologies for previous disagreements here.
I'm alot less passionate about who should be coach at the moment than I was 24 hours ago
