Something HAS TO CHANGE!!!

[wildcatsincebirth]

Bingo!

There are so many better coaches around the country that currently don't even make half of that. Deboer at UW is one of them. I would call him immediately.

Willie Fritz at Tulane is another decent name.

You are absolutely out of your mind if you think the coach at Washington is coming to Kentucky. Y’all are delusional I swear

You don’t think they’re gonna give him a raise after this year? At a program that won a national title 30 years ago? He’s gonna bail to go coach a program that has never even made a conference title game?

 

[wildcatsincebirth]

Disagree. Rich Brooks was on a trajectory to great things but Mitch wouldn’t give him the facilities so he left. Brooks over- achieved (beat two top ten teams), also called coaching, and would run circles around Stoops as a coach.

Brooks won 8 games twice. And you think he was better than a coach that has won 10 games twice.

 

[wildcatsincebirth]

Listen I am pissed off and I think stoops has not coached this team well this year but until there is someone obviously better we could hire then it makes no sense to fire him. We could EASILY go back to being 2-10 with the wrong hire.

If Florida and Texas A&M can’t get a coach to win there, what makes you think Kentucky can? Louisville got lucky with brohm, a guy that had ties to the program. We don’t have anyone like that. Sumrall could be the choice some day but he has to win at a power 5 team before we fire the winningest coach in history and hire him. What happened last time we hired a guy that had no power 5 coaching experience?

 

[R.O.T.Muckinfush]

The athletic director should be the one that pays the price once joker days return. His fault we won't get rid of stoops or be able to for like 3 years.

 

[Blue Bigfoot]

Oh so hire someone that got fired somewhere else to win at Kentucky in the SEC that’s genius

Or keep someone who should be fired because you're scared of change.

 

[Chad Rock]

UK is capped with Stoops it's a fact. Like I've been telling people if you are okay with 7-8 and the occasional 9 win season than fine.

But with the expanded playoffs coming I bet you will see UofL in the playoffs. Yes that's a reflection of their conference but it's a hard pill to swallow knowing we won't ever get in.

I'd be fine with 7, 8 or 9 wins at this point but looks like we are staring straight at 6, woohoo!

 

[wildcatsincebirth]

Or keep someone who should be fired because you're scared of change.

Because it can be a lot worse, easily. If you’re older than 21 you should know that.

I am not happy with this year but firing the coach with no one better to hire is stupid. We don’t have Texas A&M money.

 

[DelayableMil]

You are absolutely out of your mind if you think the coach at Washington is coming to Kentucky. Y’all are delusional I swear

You don’t think they’re gonna give him a raise after this year? At a program that won a national title 30 years ago? He’s gonna bail to go coach a program that has never even made a conference title game?

For the money and chance to coach in a better conference....why wouldn't he?

A 30 y/o national title doesn't exactly make them a football powerhouse. Lol.

I think it's pretty delusional to think money can't buy better.

It's also funny you mocked someone for suggesting we hire someone without p5 experience when that is exactly what we hired in Stoops.

You can prop Stoops ups all you would like, but it's clear he is starting to lose the fanbase ala Joker.

 

[Rockfly78]

Listen I am pissed off and I think stoops has not coached this team well this year but until there is someone obviously better we could hire then it makes no sense to fire him. We could EASILY go back to being 2-10 with the wrong hire.

If Florida and Texas A&M can’t get a coach to win there, what makes you think Kentucky can? Louisville got lucky with brohm, a guy that had ties to the program. We don’t have anyone like that. Sumrall could be the choice some day but he has to win at a power 5 team before we fire the winningest coach in history and hire him. What happened last time we hired a guy that had no power 5 coaching experience?

Stop being level headed

 

[K_TIME]

Feels like going to pro style offense has mostly saw Ky lose an edge in toughness/trenches to schools like Mizzou and USC that we have not seen it made up in passing improvement.

I don't know where this can go other than wait out a few years to get out of so many years we can't afford....pretty abysmal outlook for the program. Feels like we're falling back to Brooks days.

 

[Rockfly78]

These threads have got to stop. It makes you look stupid. I am hella pissed at the way stoops team is playing. But let me hit you with some reality and perspective. It will take 2-3 losing seasons in a row to force a change. I know some of yall want it but it’s not a realistic wish. You better learn to cope

 

[BlueCephus]

Already down to a TERRIBLE uscjr team! Our football team is in a steep downward spiral. UL will spank our asses like a little red headed step child next week. So sad to watch this team deteriorate the way it has! And for all the Brad White nut huggers that are reading this OPEN YOUR DAMN EYES!!!! His defense is the most boring, predictable, and pussy ass defense I’ve ever seen!

14-10 Cats. Good lord man.

 

[BlueCephus]

Already down to a TERRIBLE uscjr team! Our football team is in a steep downward spiral. UL will spank our asses like a little red headed step child next week. So sad to watch this team deteriorate the way it has! And for all the Brad White nut huggers that are reading this OPEN YOUR DAMN EYES!!!! His defense is the most boring, predictable, and pussy ass defense I’ve ever seen!

More like Shutter Island, lol.

 

[bigbluedon]

Brooks won 8 games twice. And you think he was better than a coach that has won 10 games twice.

Have you not been watching? Wow. Stoops couldn’t hold Brooks’s clipboard.

 

[EliteBlue]

We run a fairly generic pro style offense it’s not even that modern just more advanced than what we had been doing. It’s a stoops ‘trying to change the narrative while effectively keeping it similar’ ploy he’s been working on for 12 years

“Pro-style” is considered modernizing the offense from a 70%+ run style. It implies balance. Stoops also openly stated they weren’t leaning on the run even if it meant another win or 2 bc they need to grow as a program.

The problem is when you’re playing a balanced pro-style but you don’t have as many future pros and the teams you’re lining up against (the top half of our conference) then you are setting yourself up to fail bc their offense and defense will win out at the end of the day. To be a consistent top 15 team running a pro style system you better be top 10-20 in recruiting yearly…and the top 3rd in recruiting for your conference.

At least with a ball control offense you’re effectively playing defense by keeping their offense off the field (which is why we had top 15 scoring defenses until the last couple years when we started emphasizing balance). You also are limiting negative plays in incompletions, sacks, and interceptions. Moving forward every down is extremely hard to stop consistently especially if you’re willing to use all 4 downs after crossing the 50 to get to FG range. It just isn’t flashy.

I mean, it’s the whole reason the military academies historical have used it bc they can’t recruit to D1 level but it allows them to be competitive….even with undersized OLinemen. Major D1 programs can still recruit legit OLine and RB/Athletes are a dime a dozen

 

[bigbluedon]

Because it can be a lot worse, easily. If you’re older than 21 you should know that.

I am not happy with this year but firing the coach with no one better to hire is stupid. We don’t have Texas A&M money.

You don’t know if there is anyone better. Good Lord man. I would think Mitch has a list and then there would be 15-20 more added to this after the season. We could find a better coach quite easily.

 

[UKat1]

Already down to a TERRIBLE uscjr team! Our football team is in a steep downward spiral. UL will spank our asses like a little red headed step child next week. So sad to watch this team deteriorate the way it has! And for all the Brad White nut huggers that are reading this OPEN YOUR DAMN EYES!!!! His defense is the most boring, predictable, and pussy ass defense I’ve ever seen!

Until Stoops leaves, nothing will change, because he won't change

 

[Rockfly78]

Have you not been watching? Wow. Stoops couldn’t hold Brooks’s clipboard.

Well, too bad brooks couldn’t bring in talent like stoops has.

 

[Rockfly78]

Feels like going to pro style offense has mostly saw Ky lose an edge in toughness/trenches to schools like Mizzou and USC that we have not seen it made up in passing improvement.

I don't know where this can go other than wait out a few years to get out of so many years we can't afford....pretty abysmal outlook for the program. Feels like we're falling back to Brooks days.

Keep in mind that we brought in the air raid a couple times and it sucked. Bad. So I would not expect stoops to be too eager to go back to that. I’d say the pro style is here to stay, as it probably should

Are you watching this game? Do you see Kentucky losing the trenches? After our two turnovers, our dominant line play is the reason we are not losing right now

 

[HagginHall1999]

Stoops did a great job to get us back to competitiveness. Time to move on if we have any hope of taking the next step.

Are you high? Stoops took us beyond competitiveness as a step up. The next step? Ain't happening with a new guy. I have zero emotional attachment to Stoops, just truly believe a whole slew of our fans are high as a kite lately with expectations of football at our school.

 

[HagginHall1999]

Well, too bad brooks couldn’t bring in talent like stoops has.

Didn't you know many of our fans act like recruiting is not a part of the job...it can only be held against the coach, never a positive.

 

[Skyguyb27]

If UL can get a good coach why can’t we?

It’s not like they made a solid hire and it worked in year 1. How many coaches did UL hire before this year?

 

[UKNothinButNet]

Feels like going to pro style offense has mostly saw Ky lose an edge in toughness/trenches to schools like Mizzou and USC that we have not seen it made up in passing improvement.

I don't know where this can go other than wait out a few years to get out of so many years we can't afford....pretty abysmal outlook for the program. Feels like we're falling back to Brooks days.

We all know it takes 15 years nowadays to turn a program around!

 

[bigbluedon]

Well, too bad brooks couldn’t bring in talent like stoops has.

Didn’t have the recruiting budget Stoops has.

 

[Aces Fan]

The people that act like stoops is the best we can do will have no right to complain next year when the attendance is terrible. If you think people will still show up knowing that 6-6 or 7-5 is the best we can do then I don’t know what to tell you.

 

[Rockfly78]

Didn’t have the recruiting budget Stoops has.

Oh is that it? Lol

 

[AshWilliams]

Listen I am pissed off and I think stoops has not coached this team well this year but until there is someone obviously better we could hire then it makes no sense to fire him. We could EASILY go back to being 2-10 with the wrong hire.

If Florida and Texas A&M can’t get a coach to win there, what makes you think Kentucky can? Louisville got lucky with brohm, a guy that had ties to the program. We don’t have anyone like that. Sumrall could be the choice some day but he has to win at a power 5 team before we fire the winningest coach in history and hire him. What happened last time we hired a guy that had no power 5 coaching experience?

If Stoops goes 1-11 the next 5 years in a row he'll still be "TEH WINNINGEST COACH IN HISTORY." Should we still keep him for that reason?

 

[gojvc]

What happened last time we hired a guy that had no power 5 coaching experience?

He became the all time winningest coach in UK history.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Lol right, hire a guy that’s never coached in power 5 to win in the SEC that will definitely work

The entire country outside of Kentucky if we hired him would say ‘WHO?’

JS would be better.

 

[ArtLaibsGhost]

Should have never bought the “have to modernize the offense” narrative. Now we are exactly what our recruiting ranks say we are and we will never out recruit the traditional powers in the south.

Run heavy, ball control, RP0. It isn’t sexy but it’s effective and easier to recruit big boys up front to run block and a couple stout athletes and speed to pound the ball.

You saw GT “modernize” and go from a consistent top 25 team to bottom feeder bc they can’t out recruit all the SEC schools in their backyard. You saw the military academies start to go away from it and all have a serious drop in performance as well. Army went back to triple option today bc they weren’t scoring enough so far this season in their “modern balanced O” and dominated Time of Possession and beat a very good Coastal Carolina team that can light the scoreboard up.

There is a reason our best seasons came with ball control and Big Blue Wall domination. There is a reason nobody could stop Lynn Bowden even though they knew it was coming and had we switch to him after Sawyer Smiths injury we likely add 2 more wins that year. There is a reason one of the few wins against UT in 30 years came with a WR at QB where we ran the most basic option scheme ever.

“Balanced” isn’t going to work “to take the next step” unless you can recruit an NFL JV roster 3 deep. You either have to commit to super spread offense playing as fast as possible and try to out score but be ok w the occasional 60-7 beat down. Or you go try to win games under 30 and control the ball. Those systems allow you to play above your team talent level and have a punchers chance against the big dogs. My preference is RPO ball control bc it’s more consistent and I’ll take being a ranked 10-25 team yearly

There is some truth in your Post. The style you promote will beat a few also ran SEC teams evry year. However you will never beat Alabamas,UGA,LSU, or Tennessee with this approach. There D Lines and line Backers are too good for that spproach to work. Same with Texas and Okla next year. Plus do our fans really want football that is either a beat down or a Rock fight because thats what your system will get us.

 

[Justwantadecentteam]

Also Stoops has lost more games, than any other Kentucky football coach, at a whopping 57%

 

[hoggwildcat]

I repeat what I said after last week. Your paying top ten money for top 50 results. Barhart should have never gave Stoops that kind of money. When you do that expectation go up.

 

[3632]

Brooks won 8 games twice. And you think he was better than a coach that has won 10 games twice.

SEC East has been water these last 7 years compared to what brooks was facing. I’ve posted this in other similar threads but the win % of those opponents is almost 15 points less than before stoops arrived. Plus stoops has facilities and such to recruit with. Brooks best team in 07 played 7 ranked teams and got to 8.

 

[KYWC36]

More likely we get worse if stoops goes. I’m not happy with him but there’s no reason to think anyone can do better, cause literally no one ever has. 2018 and 2021 are the peak of where Kentucky football can ever be.

This thought process right here, is why UK football is what it is and what it will always be. We are defeated mentally before we even try

 

[Cats192]

More likely we get worse if stoops goes. I’m not happy with him but there’s no reason to think anyone can do better, cause literally no one ever has. 2018 and 2021 are the peak of where Kentucky football can ever be.

It's not even wins and losses at this point. We're playing the worst football I can remember in the Stoops era.

I think he's losing the locker room before our eyes. The wheels are falling off. Parents are Tweeting their displeasure. The players are surely unhappy with things. I Think we're gonna see a large number of players transfer out.

Stoops has really been immune from criticism since he got here because of what you're saying. People know that we don't have coaches dying to come to UK. He's finally lost that halo.

 

[wildcatsincebirth]

For the money and chance to coach in a better conference....why wouldn't he?

A 30 y/o national title doesn't exactly make them a football powerhouse. Lol.

I think it's pretty delusional to think money can't buy better.

It's also funny you mocked someone for suggesting we hire someone without p5 experience when that is exactly what we hired in Stoops.

You can prop Stoops ups all you would like, but it's clear he is starting to lose the fanbase ala Joker.

30 years since a national title (and going to the playoffs this year) makes them significantly better than 100+ years never winning your conference.

I’m not propping stoops up I’m just saying I think some of y’all are dreamers about who we could get that’s any better. You’re right, we did get lucky with stoops. How likely are we to get lucky again on a no-name?

 

[wildcatsincebirth]

If Stoops goes 1-11 the next 5 years in a row he'll still be "TEH WINNINGEST COACH IN HISTORY." Should we still keep him for that reason?

No. Comparing 1-11 to 6-6 is stupid as hell. You act like Kentucky is so far beyond 6-6 we should fire the only coach that’s ever had us better than that

 

[wildcatsincebirth]

This thought process right here, is why UK football is what it is and what it will always be. We are defeated mentally before we even try

Yeah, it has nothing to do with being the least talent producing state in the SEC with less booster & NIL money along with lesser facilities than almost the entire rest of the conference, it’s the fans that are the problem.

 

[KYWC36]

Yeah, it has nothing to do with being the least talent producing state in the SEC with less booster & NIL money along with lesser facilities than almost the entire rest of the conference, it’s the fans that are the problem.

Louisville is the exact same situation…. They are playing for the ACC title in one cycle change. People need to wake up, you can win in any power 5 job. Sure you may not be a title contender consistently but you can be way better than we are. Also you need to educate yourself and stop listening to the excuses online. Our facilities are in the top 25 now, we pay our coach a top 10 salary, money is not the issue people think it is and we have an Ohio pipeline and others. Georgia actual team isn’t loaded with in state talent, bama’s team isn’t, etc. It absolutely helps yes, and will UK ever being a title contender consistently? I can’t see that either but if you believe this this year is the best we can do, and you can’t see the clear two year decline and everything around the program, then I stick by my original statement.

 

[CapnBlubs]

Stoops has earned a mulligan for this season but we do have to be better next year. This is old Kentucky and that's no longer acceptable.

I thought this was already the mulligan for last season. I know there were injuries (particularly to Levis), but in no universe should we have lost to Vandy at home. The Iowa bowl obliteration was really bad, too.

The thing is, I ALWAYS cheer for UK and I want Stoops and Cal to succeed. I don't give a quarter of a damn about being right. I'd always rather eat crow and watch a win. They both just keep letting me down and pissing me off.