Some numbers crunching makes claim that Oweh is a net minus

[silentsaregolden2.0]

Saw a video from Sleepers Media who were talking about a guy name Evan something (sounded japanese) who has a new analytic "on/off", which claims to measure how a team does when a player is on the court versus when he's off it. Sounds like it's basically just the plus minus stat.

Anyway, according to him Oweh is in the middle of the pack, and is actually a net minus, but Butler and Carr were significantly better in that category. I suspect it has more to do with who is on the court with Oweh vs who is on with those guys. Regardless, it seems like a useless stat if it is making the claim that Oweh hurts us more than he helps.

 

[ukfan1622]

Saw a video from Sleepers Media who were talking about a guy name Evan something (sounded japanese) who has a new analytic "on/off", which claims to measure how a team does when a player is on the court versus when he's off it. Sounds like it's basically just the plus minus stat.

Anyway, according to him Oweh is in the middle of the pack, and is actually a net minus, but Butler and Carr were significantly better in that category. I suspect it has more to do with who is on the court with Oweh vs who is on with those guys. Regardless, it seems like a useless stat if it is making the claim that Oweh hurts us more than he helps.

Most of us that didn't already know learned last year that the combinations playing together matter, not just the total minutes individual players get.

 

[CrazyCat74]

I'm not sure about the +/- thing, but

What Oweh gives this team is toughness, defense, driving, confidence and consistent output night to night.

Which is invaluable to this group.

I cover my eyes with his touch of the backboard sometimes or his shot selection but they all do head scratching things from time to time.

 

[Fox2monk]

Saw a video from Sleepers Media who were talking about a guy name Evan something (sounded japanese) who has a new analytic "on/off", which claims to measure how a team does when a player is on the court versus when he's off it. Sounds like it's basically just the plus minus stat.

Anyway, according to him Oweh is in the middle of the pack, and is actually a net minus, but Butler and Carr were significantly better in that category. I suspect it has more to do with who is on the court with Oweh vs who is on with those guys. Regardless, it seems like a useless stat if it is making the claim that Oweh hurts us more than he helps.

Probably because Oweh is the only dude who is healthy consistently and is in the floor with everyone. He’s one of our most important players easily.

 

[Wonky]

Ahh… stat nerds. The kids who were never picked for a team at recess, so must come up with some way to feel included in sports.

Kind of like how Zuckerberg had no real-life friends, so he created Facebook where everybody can just project and be fake AF.

 

[Fox2monk]

Ahh… stat nerds. The kids who were never picked for a team at recess, so must come up with some way to feel included in sports.

Kind of like how Zuckerberg had no real-life friends, so he created Facebook where everybody can just project and be fake AF.

Some people just enjoy stats and then do have their place to help teams improve. I get what you are saying but it seems to me like journalists are worse about wanting to be a part of sports because they couldn’t play,

 

[Cold Stout Beer]

smh

 

[Cold Stout Beer]

Ahh… stat nerds. The kids who were never picked for a team at recess, so must come up with some way to feel included in sports.

Kind of like how Zuckerberg had no real-life friends, so he created Facebook where everybody can just project and be fake AF.

created or stole??

 

[Cleatortoises]

Saw a video from Sleepers Media who were talking about a guy name Evan something (sounded japanese) who has a new analytic "on/off", which claims to measure how a team does when a player is on the court versus when he's off it. Sounds like it's basically just the plus minus stat.

Anyway, according to him Oweh is in the middle of the pack, and is actually a net minus, but Butler and Carr were significantly better in that category. I suspect it has more to do with who is on the court with Oweh vs who is on with those guys. Regardless, it seems like a useless stat if it is making the claim that Oweh hurts us more than he helps.

Sounds like a shitty stat.
Disregard.
Carry on.

 

[chroix]

I’ll bet that guy any amount of money that my five from this team beats his five from this team if I have OO on my team and he does not. Ten times out of ten. Dumb stat is dumb.

 

[Someguywhodoesntlikeyou]

I’m guessing you’re talking about EvanMiya.

It’s a tool and a pretty good one. But it’s not the end all and be all. The math will never fully account for the human factor.

 

[STL_Cat]

Eye test tells me that stat is bullshite.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Stats will never be able to determine things like grit, confidence, and how well the team will play with said player on the floor (well ok that's +-, but the intangible aspect).

Oweh is one of the only players we have that can drive the basketball. He made very gutsy plays on offense that we just would not have done with out him. And I can't imagine our plus/minus being better if he's off the floor. If anything it just drops.

 

[Creed Bratton]

Ahh… stat nerds. The kids who were never picked for a team at recess, so must come up with some way to feel included in sports.

Kind of like how Zuckerberg had no real-life friends, so he created Facebook where everybody can just project and be fake AF.

Like this guy?

 

[Phil_The_Music]

Ahh… stat nerds. The kids who were never picked for a team at recess, so must come up with some way to feel included in sports.

Kind of like how Zuckerberg had no real-life friends, so he created Facebook where everybody can just project and be fake AF.

Umm. Our head coach is a stat nerd.

 

[Tampa_cat54]

Umm. Our head coach is a stat nerd.

Haha came here to say the same thing.

Our coaching staff is all over the analytics, both positive and negative.

You know who didn't care about analytics at all and considered them "stat nerds"? John Calipari.

 

[ukcatz12]

Umm. Our head coach is a stat nerd.

Yup. I always laugh at this board's comments on the analytics. If it doesn't match their opinion they hate the stat nerds and disregard the analytics. But if it does then anyone who disagrees is an idiot.

Guys like Evan Miyakawa are the same ones that said a certain lineup last year that Cal didn't use often was incredibly efficient. Cal was crucified for not listening to the analytics on that one. Our current offense is based on what the analytics say.

 

[Emarc]

And the genius es have UT ranked 4 after three straight losses. I dont get it.

 

[ukcatz12]

And the genius es have UT ranked 4 after three straight losses. I dont get it.

Advanced analytics like Kenpom and EvanMiya don't take wins and losses into account. It's usually just a pure efficiency ranking based on how many points you score and allow per 100 posessions, adjusted in their own way for opponent strength.

 

[docholiday51]

Umm. Our head coach is a stat nerd.

Our coach is enough of a nerd to keep Oweh and/or Butler on the floor most of the time so there is that.

 

[UKBB4Ever]

The +/- anal-ytic is the dumbest of all the anal-yics out there.