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Skal looks like a Harrow situation right now

I thought that it was funny that Cal had Skal to spend the night with his family. On the surface that might sound like an excellent idea. However, the last place a kid would want to spend his free time is with the guy who is chewing on his backside like a dog on an old shoe. If anything, the kid would probably do better if he had less time with Cal.

I don't think Cal has been chewing him out, though. I think he figured out early on Skal was a different animal.
 
Simple questions:

1. Do you think it will be necessary for Skal to develop some physicality before he enters the league?
2. Can you name any big man in the league who flourishes despite almost completely lacking in physicality?

There is no doubt that he needs to develop physically, but that isn't going to happen because someone is yelling at him.

I recall when Durant was in college all of the so called experts were saying that the kid's shoulders were too narrow so there was no way that skinny kid would make it very long at the next level. Well, he wouldn't have made it if he was forced to play like the typical 6'11" guy.

If Skal's spirit is completely broken before he makes it to the pros, he will be just fine. This guy will be one more big man that will redefine the way someone his size plays basketball.
 
I recall when Durant was in college all of the so called experts were saying that the kid's shoulders were too narrow so there was no way that skinny kid would make it very long at the next level. Well, he wouldn't have made it if he was forced to play like the typical 6'11" guy.

1. Can you provide a link to one of the supposed "experts" claiming Durant wouldn't make it at the next level? Because I do NOT remember anything like that ever being said. Instead I just remember the pro scouts drooling all over Durant when he was in college.

2. Skal is not Durant. Does not play the same position and does not have have anything near the same ballhandling ability, deep shooting range and perimeter skill set. Apples to Oranges.

3. Durant is not 6'11". Yet another embellishment of the facts
 
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1. Can you provide a link to one of the supposed "experts" claiming Durant wouldn't make it at the next level? Because I do NOT remember anything like that ever being said. Instead I just remember the pro scouts drooling all over Durant when he was in college.

2. Skal is not Durant. Does not play the same position and does not have have anything near the same ballhandling ability, deep shooting range and perimeter skill set. Apples to Oranges.

3. Durant is not actually 6'11". Stop embellishing the facts

If all you want to do is argue, find someone else to do it with. 6'9" or 6'11" Durant was skinny as a rail at 215 pounds and there were plenty of talking heads that believed he would have to get a lot bigger and stronger to be successful in the NBA and that wasn't the case. He made an immediate impact on the league and has never looked back. Over the years he has added mass but he still isn't physically imposing but his game is so unique that there is no one else in the league to compare him to.
 
There is no doubt that he needs to develop physically, but that isn't going to happen because someone is yelling at him.

I recall when Durant was in college all of the so called experts were saying that the kid's shoulders were too narrow so there was no way that skinny kid would make it very long at the next level. Well, he wouldn't have made it if he was forced to play like the typical 6'11" guy.

If Skal's spirit is completely broken before he makes it to the pros, he will be just fine. This guy will be one more big man that will redefine the way someone his size plays basketball.

Durant averaged something like 25 points per game as a freshman. He could handle, shoot, etc. Skal can't do much more than shoot, and his skill set is exponentially worse than Durant as far as shooting and handling are concerned. Totally different players with totally different types of skills. Skal won't be asked to drift out on the perimeter in the NBA. He will be asked to defend and rebound, as well as hit those midrange jumpers he's known for. He can't defend or rebound if he's asked to turn into Kyle Wiltjer (who probably won't play one minute in the league due to his physical limitations).

Also, you admit Skal needs to develop physically, but you don't think yelling at him will help? Fair enough, but just know that part of your argument was that Skal needs to play on the perimeter and not the low post. If you're now suggesting that he needs to play through physical duress, you're also acknowledging that he shouldn't just be out on the perimeter and needs to learn how to play through contact down low - which has merely been the position of the people you've argued with this whole time.
 
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If all you want to do is argue,.

I don't necessarily want to argue, but I would like you to stop posting exaggerated or made up BS all the time. It's like we need some sort of lie detector device to fact check your posts.

To claim "all the supposed experts" thought Durant would not make it in the NBA for long is total hogwash. Maybe some noted he was skinny and needed to put on muscle, but NONE of them were claiming that would prevent him from making it in the league, instead the scouts were falling all over themselves in love with Durant when he was at Texas.

Stop posting fiction and claiming it as fact. It's a bad habit you have. Actually noticed it in your posts a long time ago and ignored it for awhile. But today decided to finally start calling you on it.
 
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If all you want to do is argue, find someone else to do it with. 6'9" or 6'11" Durant was skinny as a rail at 215 pounds and there were plenty of talking heads that believed he would have to get a lot bigger and stronger to be successful in the NBA and that wasn't the case. He made an immediate impact on the league and has never looked back. Over the years he has added mass but he still isn't physically imposing but his game is so unique that there is no one else in the league to compare him to.

Durant also made an immediate impact in college by being the best offensive scorer college basketball has seen in years. He wasn't asked to play out of position in college, and was never asked to prepare for a role he wasn't going to have to play in the NBA. Texas used him the right way.

Calipari is doing the same by actually getting Skal used to physical play. Cal has acknowledged he will turn it down as far as yelling at Skal goes, but if you think keeping Skal locked in 15 feet from the hoop is going to help him long term, I would have to disagree with you.

Presently, I'm not even sure what you're arguing anymore, other than the fact that you don't like Cal yelling at him.
 
Durant averaged something like 25 points per game as a freshman. He could handle, shoot, etc. Skal can't do much more than shoot, and his skill set is exponentially worse than Durant as far as shooting and handling are concerned. Totally different players with totally different types of skills. Skal won't be asked to drift out on the perimeter in the NBA. He will be asked to defend and rebound, as well as hit those midrange jumpers he's known for. He can't defend or rebound if he's asked to turn into Kyle Wiltjer (who probably won't play one minute in the league due to his physical limitations).

Also, you admit Skal needs to develop physically, but you don't think yelling at him will help? Fair enough, but just know that part of your argument was that Skal needs to play on the perimeter and not the low post. If you're now suggesting that he needs to play through physical duress, you're also acknowledging that he shouldn't just be out on the perimeter and needs to learn how to play through contact down low - which has been the position of the people you're arguing with in this thread.

If some of the things that he does well were mixed in with the things that he doesn't do so well, it could possibly go a long way in helping him with his development. There is no sense in crushing his spirit by simply focusing only on the things that he doesn't do very well.
 
If some of the things that he does well were mixed in with the things that he doesn't do so well, it could possibly go a long way in helping him with his development. There is no sense in crushing his spirit by simply focusing only on the things that he doesn't do very well.

I would encourage you to chart Skal's shot attempts. Most of his shots this season have come from beyond 10 feet, and many of those have come from between 12 to 15 feet. He is getting to shoot the ball the way you're suggesting he should, but he's also been timid the last few weeks and it's shown in his overall shot attempts.

There will be a game or two in January where I see Skal shooting the ball at least 8 times. In those games, watch and see how many of his shots are beyond 12 feet. I think you'll be surprised at how often he's actually being given the green light from midrange.
 
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Durant also made an immediate impact in college by being the best offensive scorer college basketball has seen in years. He wasn't asked to play out of position in college, and was never asked to prepare for a role he wasn't going to have to play in the NBA. Texas used him the right way.

Calipari is doing the same by actually getting Skal used to physical play. Cal has acknowledged he will turn it down as far as yelling at Skal goes, but if you think keeping Skal locked in 15 feet from the hoop is going to help him long term, I would have to disagree with you.

Presently, I'm not even sure what you're arguing anymore, other than the fact that you don't like Cal yelling at him.

My issue is with anyone that thinks it is fair to trash a young kid while doing any and everything to protect his extremely well paid coach. I happen to believe that both the player and the coach have shared blame for his lack of productivity.
 
I would encourage you to chart Skal's shot attempts. Most of his shots this season have come from beyond 10 feet, and many of those have come from beyond 15 feet. He is getting to shoot the ball the way you're suggesting he should, but he's also been timid the last few weeks and it's shown in his overall shot attempts.

There will be a game or two in January where I see Skal shooting the ball at least 8 times. In those games, watch and see how many of his shots are beyond 15 feet. I think you'll be surprised at how often he's actually being given the green light from midrange.

You might be right, but this kid is wound so tight now that he couldn't give you his name accurately during a game time situation.
 
You might be right, but this kid is wound so tight now that he couldn't give you his name accurately during a game time situation.

That will change. John Wall and Derrick Rose both hated playing for Cal at this point in their freshmen campaigns.
 
I don't necessarily want to argue, but I would like you to stop posting exaggerated or made up BS all the time. It's like we need some sort of lie detector device to fact check your posts.

To claim "all the supposed experts" thought Durant would not make it in the NBA for long is total hogwash. Maybe some noted he was skinny and needed to put on muscle, but NONE of them were claiming that would prevent him from making it in the league, instead the scouts were falling all over themselves in love with Durant when he was at Texas.

Stop posting fiction and claiming it as fact. It's a bad habit you have. Actually noticed it in your posts a long time ago and ignored it for awhile. But today decided to finally start calling you on it.

You can call me on whatever you choose to call me on. It is very easy to ignore you which is what I will do moving forward. If you really need to find someone to lecture, focus it on your kids. If you don't have any, either make some or adopt. But I don't need or want any more of your opinions presented as facts.
 
That will change. John Wall and Derrick Rose both hated playing for Cal at this point in their freshmen campaigns.

Be careful with those kinds of facts because that will upset some on this board. There are those that would have you to believe that Cal is a Saint and that every kid should easily respond well to Cal's coaching.
 
What is hard to understand is how Skal was rated so highly, and why Cal never saw see his limitations. He may turn out just fine as a project, but IMO there is little or no chance he will be be playing like we thought he would this year. Skal reminds me of John Hood, some what in that he was so highly rated and proved to be so highly limited. A recruiter told me that John's situation arose because he played in a very weak high school conference. Could it be the same situation for Skal?
17 too many
 
Give it a rest you Internet All Americans. We know he is struggling. Let him work through it at his pace. Kid came from Haiti. Lucky to be here. Didn't grow up playing high level ball. Wonderful caring young man. You must not be parents. Try to support him for God's sake. Quit piling on one of ours. If it takes 3 years so what. More depth. Don't make it worse for our guy.
Great post. It's hard to imagine that much pressure on a 19 year old.
 
Methinks Skal is totally overwhelmed with UK. It could be next year before he becomes acclimated with the burden of perceived pressure at Rupp. I won't be surprised if he gets starts on the road in smaller venues to help harden him a bit. Also wouldn't surprise me if he transfers.
 
Methinks Skal is totally overwhelmed with UK. It could be next year before he becomes acclimated with the burden of perceived pressure at Rupp. I won't be surprised if he gets starts on the road in smaller venues to help harden him a bit. Also wouldn't surprise me if he transfers.
He's not gonna be Shaq next year either.
 
Skal is a lot like Matt pilgrim. We hear about how dominant he is and can be, but he has yet to show any type of emotion or swagger
 
My issue is with anyone that thinks it is fair to trash a young kid while doing any and everything to protect his extremely well paid coach. I happen to believe that both the player and the coach have shared blame for his lack of productivity.

Are we really trashing him? If you want to see someone trashing him look at what that scout wrote about him. We're just saying he compares to another player who played here. The game seems too fast and too physical for him. He fooled the people who rank kids coming out of high school. I'm pulling for him to figure it out. He seems like an awesome kid. But I'm not going to deny that there is no comparison to Harrow, because there is. It's not a perfect comparison, there's no such thing.
 
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