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Skal going forward

Werent you on here about a year ago guaranteeing that both Harrison twins would go first round and be starters in the league for a long time??? Im pretty sure that was you. How did that prediction turn out?? :joy:

..You have my confused for Caneintally.

I never made those claims about the twins.

So yeah...next time get your facts straight. U can avoid situations where you look like an idiot, like right now.
 
Skal - he's been the source to a lot of
debate and frustration. I am not going to be super harsh, because though he was over-hyped, he is also an overwhelmed kid who isn't going to benefit much from a verbal smash-down from a middle aged blog poster. He may be a great kid, rough to suffer through the tragedy in Haiti, but let's be honest about where he IS (not potentially could be) basketball-wise. To his benefit, he can shoot when wide open - decent touch, he can shoot free throws decently for a big guy, and he can dunk over inferior size and strength. He has a 7 foot frame. That is all I can come up with. To his deficit - and many have already said this - He cannot defend, and he cannot rebound. There is nothing to indicate that he has potential to ever do either. NONE other than wishful thinking. He is consistently out of position for both and more importantly does not have the internal mindset to do either well. One person said rebounding is effort - I agree - but it's even more about desire - and there is no desire to get the rebound. It is so hard to watch. No drive to the ball. No IQ for basketball - consistently out of position and ZERO improvement throughout the season. Cal and Ulis have to try to scream him into position - but then he's stuck there waiting to be told his next move. Always moving away from the basket as a shot goes up. I


I could rant on - and some say the NBA drafts on size and potential. His only hope is size, because he's shown no potential in defending or rebounding - compounded by zero progress indicating a disconnect from being coachable. I would never pick Skal for this NBA this year. Is there potential for the future - I mean maybe - but there is a TON to fix. It is very laughable to think he could be an NBA 4 - I spit out my drink when I read that. Draymond Green VS Skal? Watch Draymond rebound. He is nothing short of violent when rebounding. The NBA is ruled by the aggressive force of the will. I wish Skal nothing but the best - but right now him in the NBA would be beyond harsh. How does he fair if he stays? Again that is as crystal ball a question as does he reach his potential ever... but maybe, just maybe having a year under his belt he'd realize where he is and isn't with the professional game and work to improve. But even with that - the climb is huge for him imho.

As to him playing more this season - Please... just no. Stop the Skal project now unless absolutely no other option. Yes - he's that bad. Suggesting he get 10-15 per game is asking for losses. Not here to "eat my own". I acknowledge he's an overwhelmed kid. But objectively basketball-wise - he is a project and a half. A 7 foot one - but a project none the less.
I stopped reading this one at "...I am not going to be super harsh..". Go Cats!!
 
Skal is not going to leave. He is no where near a professional player. He lacks the anticipatory skills acquired from playing against talented players. He is 2-3steps behind every play. He needs a few years of practice against talented players and will develop into an excellent late bloomer.
 
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I don't understand how anyone doesn't think another year in college woudn't help him. He could get in the weight room, add some pounds to start with. His basketball IQ is very low. If you watch him when he sets a pick for one of the guard, he then just stands there, basically just watching the game, while the guard drives to the basket.
If you watch Humphries, after he sets the pick, he rolls to the basket, for a pass or to be in position for the rebound. When Humphries blocks out for a rebound, he pins his man on his back, with the elbows out, knees bent, and his big butt preventing his man from getting around him. A world of difference between the two players.
Another year under Cal. and scrimmaging against Humphries and the players coming in would definitely help Skal. I'm not for sure he will be a first rounder.

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Werent you on here about a year ago guaranteeing that both Harrison twins would go first round and be starters in the league for a long time??? Im pretty sure that was you. How did that prediction turn out?? :joy:


Come back to this question in 15 years. Kinda hard to judge a career when their 1st season is not even over with yet.
 
We all know Skal has some basketball skills that could translate well in the Nba. The thing that would scare me most about taking a chance on Skal with a lotto pick isn't his lack of strength or lack of basketball i.q., we all know those things can be teached and added with work. The thing that would scare me? His lack of self confidence. If you don't have the confidence to do well against smaller and weaker and in most cases less talented players than you, just imagine what could happen when you go up against guys just as talented as basketball players and most nights more talented players night after night? I don't know. To be a great player, you have to actually think you're a good basketball player. I don't know if that will ever come with Skal. His confidence is so easily messed with. If he comes back to Kentucky next season, i don't think he plays any more minutes than he does this season. While i'm sure the kid will add strength and more understanding of the game, he will also be going against some of the best bigs coming into college basketball that have better basketball frames than he. I think he would be best off trying to enter the draft and hoping he is a lotto pick and take the money while it's there on the table. After another season like the one he's currently having, i guarantee you the money won't be there anymore and he would actually have to work his butt off his entire 4 years at Kentucky gaining back the hype he current has, once had.
 
Lee will be an interesting case. He's really not talented enough to leave and go pro. I like Lee a lot, but let's be honest. With Lee, you're lucky if you get 2 lob play dunks and 4 rebounds a game. Stats like that don't make you a guy Nba gms want to take a chance on. If he does come back, with the talent we're bringing into the frontcourt for next season, it's not looking good for Lee's playing time to go up, or stay the same. If Lee comes back, i see the kid getting about 5 minutes per game off the bench. I don't think that will work for Lee and if we're being honest, it shouldn't. Lee has been here awhile now and i'm sure he feels he deserves better than that, but with Cal, talent beats years served. If Lee is interested in just making money from playing basketball, i'm sure he could catch on somewhere over seas and that just might be his best bet anyhow in the long run when you talk basketball talent and overall potential. Murray and Ulis are both gone and both deserve to enter the draft and be playing pro basketball next season. When Cal hints around about Ulis not coming back for another year of college basketball, our fans should know it's a pretty well known fact that Ulis is interested in playing in the Nba starting next year. Briscoe should come back but with this kid, i doubt it. I think he's the type of kid that had his mind made up already that he was a OnenDone talent and nothing he does on the floor will change that thought. It's really too bad. He's the one guy on the roster that would gain so much by just coming back for his SO year. His lack of shooting touch is something that while not easily fixed, it can be fixed. With another season of college basketball and shooting a 1000 shots a day during the summer, he should be able to come back and his a decent % of his shots next season. With an added jumpshot added to his overall game, he's a lock for the first round of the Nba draft and we're talking a huge difference in money with that decision. He would also get the respect i feel he sometimes doesnt get from most of our fans and the rest of the nation just cause he can't shoot the basketball but does every other thing really well.
 
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. In the latest mock draft, he was at 14th spot. So, while he is falling, it's not a huge fall..

Anyone who still thinks Skal is a Top 14 pick because of the "latest mock draft" needs to start paying more attention to how this works.

Every year we see the same pattern: after about the midpoint of the regular season the mock drafts always stagnate because the scouts keep their mouths shut and refuse to give anything away mid-season, and thus the mock draft site owners are reluctant to move guys because they've nothing to base it on other than their own guesses (you do realize those mock draft sites are run by guys who are mostly just guessing, right?). And then, shortly after the season ends, we always see a massive readjustment after the draft evaluation process begins and scouts start talking again. That's why the months of April/May always see IMMENSELY more change on those boards than any other.

The same thing will happen this year. In April Skal's position on the mock draft boards will take a BIG fall. Just watch. He'll still probably leave. And he still may be first round. But it'll be a late first round flyer. Unless something terribly dramatic changes between now and next month, nobody's using a high lottery pick on the ultra-soft and lost version of Skal we've watched thus far this year.
 
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Back injury in HS. Not being allowed to play his senior year. The kid is very behind. He has some offensive skill with that jumper and he's a decent foul shooter. He's definitely a long way from being able to produce in the NBA, but he's still young and developing. I hope he finds his way. If he's back he certainly won't have it easy with the physical presence the beast Bam Adebayo is. However, and I know Poythress is a strong dude, the presence of Bam and Humphries will force Skal to fight even harder or he won't be in any mock drafts.

The draft doesn't seem overly strong though so I doubt Skal sticks around another year and takes what could be an even bigger hit to his checkbook with a lackluster season next year.
 
Anyone who still thinks Skal is a Top 14 pick because of the "latest mock draft" needs to start paying more attention to how this works.

Every year we see the same pattern: after about the midpoint of the regular season the mock drafts always stagnate because the scouts keep their mouths shut and refuse to give anything away mid-season, and thus the mock draft site owners are reluctant to move guys because they've nothing to base it on other than their own guesses (you do realize those mock draft sites are run by guys who are mostly just guessing, right?). And then, shortly after the season ends, we always see a massive readjustment after the draft evaluation process begins and scouts start talking again. That's why the months of April/May always see IMMENSELY more change on those boards than any other.

The same thing will happen this year. In April Skal's position on the mock draft boards will take a BIG fall. Just watch. He'll still probably leave. And he still may be first round. But it'll be a late first round flyer. Unless something terribly dramatic changes between now and next month, nobody's using a high lottery pick on the ultra-soft and lost version of Skal we've watched thus far this year.



I didn't say where I thought he would be picked. I was simply stating a fact of where he is projected. I don't necessarily agree with your opinion on how things work with the mock drafts. I do remember Towns making some big moves after the midpoint of the season. All the way up to #1. Cousins also made big strides, just to name a couple right off hand. Not only many UK players but many players from all over start to make moves after the mid point of the season. I'm sure there are a few teams who try to keep their interest in a select few players on the down low, especially as the draft nears, I don't really think it's the norm for NBA executives or scouts becoming quiet about the players. That's just my opinion though.

Plus, Skal is a very unique situation. You don't see many projected #1 picks who become completely irrelevant on their team. Not many projected #1 picks produce as little as Skal has this year. Skal is a very unique situation and I don't think it's an accurate to compare his fall to previous mock drafts tendencies or behaviors. Again, just my 2 cents.
 
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I keep hearing about this potential....I could see potential in some of our others who got drafted...I see no potential in this young man right now....it may come but not there now.

I totally agree. I went to the UK v UT game, lower level, with a former UK baller. We talked a lot about Skal. We are in our mid 60s and have seen lots of ball. Neither of us see that potential, that is often mentioned. Hands are weak, doesn't know angles for rebounds, losses his man on virtually every play, doesn't really run well, doesn't play hard, drops his hands on defense consistently thus increasing his propensity for fouls as he attempts blocks, can't hold a rebound or finish at the rim, and on and on. Unless there is some mental awakening, and muscle growth, and it could happen, we just don't see him as anywhere near NBA quality. Perhaps a year or two that could change, but it just doesn't appear likely in our opinion.
 
Skal is a very frustrating player. If Skal wants to be a good player he needs to take the initiative. He needs to buy into what the coaches,and a great point guard teammate are saying.
He needs to get his head into all his practices,and watch tape on how to be a great rebounder. Skal has to lose himself for the good of Skal, and his teammates.
 
I totally agree. I went to the UK v UT game, lower level, with a former UK baller. We talked a lot about Skal. We are in our mid 60s and have seen lots of ball. Neither of us see that potential, that is often mentioned. Hands are weak, doesn't know angles for rebounds, losses his man on virtually every play, doesn't really run well, doesn't play hard, drops his hands on defense consistently thus increasing his propensity for fouls as he attempts blocks, can't hold a rebound or finish at the rim, and on and on. Unless there is some mental awakening, and muscle growth, and it could happen, we just don't see him as anywhere near NBA quality. Perhaps a year or two that could change, but it just doesn't appear likely in our opinion.

Very well put. The problem is not just that he's not good now, it's that I don't see where all this supposed "potential" people keep talking about is either. If it's there then he's been hiding it damn well this year. The kid is weak as hell, and just doesn't seem to have any instincts for how to play the game anywhere near the basket.

I think his ranking was basically just a case of him fooling the scouts because he faced inferior high school competition and was an athletic-looking 7 footer with a pretty jumpshot. But they missed that he has nothing else other than that pretty jumpshot. Can't defend, can't rebound, can't play the post, just a pretty jumpshot. I doubt he's ever gonna develop into much of a pro.
 
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We here on the board debate the "potential" issue with Skal on just about a daily basis. I wonder if NBA scouts and GM's are doing the same thing on a regular basis? If they are it would seem that their conclusions would be on an ever sliding scale that changes just about game to game.

At a point some of them are bound to come to the conclusion that drafting Skal in the first round isn't worth the risk , some are going to have more pressing needs at other positions and still others aren't going to be willing to wait 3 years to get some return on their investment
 
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I do remember Towns making some big moves after the midpoint of the season.

Towns didn't zip up to the tip top of the mock drafts until the very end of last season. In February his position was still largely stagnated.

That's how it is nearly every year. The mock draft people will make small moves in February, but they're reluctant to make really big moves because they've no real info to base it on other than their own guesses. But then there's nearly always a major readjustment right after the season ends when the evaluation process begins and scouts start talking again.

That'll likely happen again, and when it does, I expect Skal's position to drop like a lead balloon (and Ulis' should rise).
 
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I totally agree. I went to the UK v UT game, lower level, with a former UK baller. We talked a lot about Skal. We are in our mid 60s and have seen lots of ball. Neither of us see that potential, that is often mentioned. Hands are weak, doesn't know angles for rebounds, losses his man on virtually every play, doesn't really run well, doesn't play hard, drops his hands on defense consistently thus increasing his propensity for fouls as he attempts blocks, can't hold a rebound or finish at the rim, and on and on. Unless there is some mental awakening, and muscle growth, and it could happen, we just don't see him as anywhere near NBA quality. Perhaps a year or two that could change, but it just doesn't appear likely in our opinion.

Potential is things that he can eventually do. Lack of potential means he is at his ceilng and cannot no matter how he works get better. He doesn't run well? He runs like a deer. He has good hops and timing on blocks. He is weak of the hands but not in the manner of say a big strong big that just can't catch. He is weak in the hands in the sense he works out and can gain strength. The angles all of that is is true but all of it what u brought up are learnable. Which means he has potential to do them well some day. Have a hard time believing a former UK player would see Skal and based on seeing him block a shot at the peak of its arc on Sat know he is raw but athletic and say he doesn't have potential now he very well could have said all those things but the not running well perplexes me he runs way above average for a big especially compared to how bigs ran when ur friend played. Will give you an example. As a junior Josh was not near his potential he got in the gym and maxed out his potential. He jumped better he was in better shape so his defense and his shot improved. But he had maxed out his potential at 22 he wasn't going to get any better. Skal is what? 18 and he doesn't have potential? He already can jump higher and run faster and has as good of a midrange game as Josh. He just doesn't have the experience and strength. So if Skal had gotten in the weight room put on 40 lbs and was more physically mature and had 3 years of college ball and he was still the same player then he would have no potential.
 
Skal hasn't lived up to the hype, that is for sure. But I could see him being drafted in the late first round. NBA teams are always looking for big men and while Skal isn't productive right now, he does possess some skill. His biggest problem is that he is extremely weak. Almost all his issues are things that can be corrected. As others have stated, this is viewed as a weak draft. A large portion of players drafted in the late first round don't become significant contributors in the NBA. Since teams know they aren't guaranteed to get a difference maker in the late first round, they are willing to take bigger risk on players that may have a higher ceiling.
 
Skal hasn't lived up to the hype, that is for sure. But I could see him being drafted in the late first round. NBA teams are always looking for big men and while Skal isn't productive right now, he does possess some skill. His biggest problem is that he is extremely weak. Almost all his issues are things that can be corrected. As others have stated, this is viewed as a weak draft. A large portion of players drafted in the late first round don't become significant contributors in the NBA. Since teams know they aren't guaranteed to get a difference maker in the late first round, they are willing to take bigger risk on players that may have a higher ceiling.
Exactly right. This lack of potential thing that people throw out perplexes me. His problems are things that can be corrected with time and strength. Cal has stated he is a hard worker so somebody will draft him. People forget scouts have seen him at the summit and UKs pro day and he tested very well in agility speed and shooting the kid has lots of potential. He was played out of position here and he is too weak to change a whole lot. But just like Andre Drummond when he underachieved as a fresh at uconn a huge strong 7ft can't miss best player in the class goes to try outs and performs himself from low first round to top 5 draft pic. Those same skills scouts saw in Skal earlier are still there
 
Potential is things that he can eventually do. Lack of potential means he is at his ceilng and cannot no matter how he works get better. He doesn't run well? He runs like a deer. He has good hops and timing on blocks. He is weak of the hands but not in the manner of say a big strong big that just can't catch. He is weak in the hands in the sense he works out and can gain strength. The angles all of that is is true but all of it what u brought up are learnable. Which means he has potential to do them well some day. Have a hard time believing a former UK player would see Skal and based on seeing him block a shot at the peak of its arc on Sat know he is raw but athletic and say he doesn't have potential now he very well could have said all those things but the not running well perplexes me he runs way above average for a big especially compared to how bigs ran when ur friend played. Will give you an example. As a junior Josh was not near his potential he got in the gym and maxed out his potential. He jumped better he was in better shape so his defense and his shot improved. But he had maxed out his potential at 22 he wasn't going to get any better. Skal is what? 18 and he doesn't have potential? He already can jump higher and run faster and has as good of a midrange game as Josh. He just doesn't have the experience and strength. So if Skal had gotten in the weight room put on 40 lbs and was more physically mature and had 3 years of college ball and he was still the same player then he would have no potential.

First I appreciate you post and points. I should have said he doesn't run hard...
I totally agree about Harrelson ..the difference is imo is you could tell Harrelson was going to work at it. I'm not Nostredamus, but I thought that then and his work paid off.
I hope Skal stays, as my point apparently not well said, was he isn't ready now due to what we have seen.
I hope he dedicates himself, stays and not only contributes but then goes on and makes huge bucks and is successful in the NBA.
 
Cal has tried him at the 4 shooting jumpers. It hasnt worked either because Skal is such an uncoordinated, worthless hoops player, it wont matter where you play him.

Sorry but I laugh at the notion Skal can play the 4 in the NBA. Which one of these 4s does Skal's game resemble?

Anthony Davis
Blake Griffin
Lamarcus Aldridge
Dreymond Green
Paul George
Kevin Love
Zach Randolph
Serge Ibaka
just to name a few. Skal playing the 4 in the NBA will be an even bigger joke than him playing it at UK. Skal doesnt have a position. Hes not a 4 and is too big of a pussy to be a 5.

Hes an overrated waste of a scholarship and he will be a career D-Leaguer at best. This has zero to do with how Cal has used him and everything to do with the fact that Skal lacks the desire or brains to get better.
Jesus Christ, no matter how overrated he turned out to be there is no damn reason to call a kid wearing the UK jersey "worthless". Your whole post is pretty much a nasty bush league attack on one of our own. Its literally sickening to me that you would say he lacks the desire or brains to get better. That's a bullshit statement. Is it his damn fault the scouts ranked him so high and got your expectations crushed? No. Maybe, just maybe his lack of playing the 2years before he came here stunted his development. Maybe his lack of timing and coordination is the problem. Maybe he needs to gain a lot of weight. However its certainly not because he lacks the brains and you have no idea about his desire. Worthless you say? That's a fitting description of your attack on a UK player.
 
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Jesus Christ, no matter how overrated he turned out to be there is no damn reason to call a kid wearing the UK jersey "worthless". Your whole post is pretty much a nasty bush league attack on one of our own. Its literally sickening to me that you would say he lacks the desire or brains to get better. That's a bullshit statement. Is it his damn fault the scouts ranked him so high and got your expectations crushed? No. Maybe, just maybe his lack of playing the 2years before he came here stunted his development. Maybe his lack of timing and coordination is the problem. Maybe he needs to gain a lot of weight. However its certainly not because he lacks the brains and you have no idea about his desire. Worthless you say? That's a fitting description of your attack on a UK player.

Yea is agree. Call his game crap or whatever you want. We shouldn't resort to attacking ur own. He could've gone lots of places but chose to give his time to UK. That's should count for something.
 
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Yea is agree. Call his game crap or whatever you want. We shouldn't resort to attacking ur own. He could've gone lots of places but chose to give his time to UK. That's should count for something.
Exactly. And if people looked at this board at all this summer they would've seen you warning us multiple times about Skal being very overrated. You're from Memphis and I actually dialed back my expectations for him precisely because of that and you're confidence about him being overrated. You warned us many times and actually caught a lot of flak for it but you were 100% right.
 
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Exactly. And if people looked at this board at all this summer they would've seen you warning us multiple times about Skal being very overrated. You're from Memphis and I actually dialed back my expectations for him precisely because of that and you're confidence about him being overrated. You warned us many times and actually caught a lot of flak for it but you were 100% right.

Hey I appreciate that. Most people don't give up the "I told ya so's"....

I eventually tried to just go with it and call him a stud. But he's a cat so I will lalways be glad at the fact that he made the memphis fan base roll. It was a good couple of weeks.
 
Where are all the posts, pics and articles about Skak in the weight room, Skal in the gym, Skal putting in time in the gym before the sun rises, etc, etc?

That's what would concerns me most of I'm a scout. Does the kid have drive?
 
Where are all the posts, pics and articles about Skak in the weight room, Skal in the gym, Skal putting in time in the gym before the sun rises, etc, etc?

That's what would concerns me most of I'm a scout. Does the kid have drive?

If I was Skal I'd be getting up at 3am and hitting the weight room and gym every single day. It's hard to get 20 year olds to get that, but if you're capable of being a pro, you need that mindset. People think Jordan woke up at normal times, put his shoes on 1 hour before a game, and went out and owned everyone. This isn't how it works. Greatness is only achieved through hours and hours of preparation. Guys like Jordan and Curry/Davis etc. are putting in more work than anyone.

I hope Skal has that in him. Some do, some don't.
 
If I was Skal I'd be getting up at 3am and hitting the weight room and gym every single day. It's hard to get 20 year olds to get that, but if you're capable of being a pro, you need that mindset. People think Jordan woke up at normal times, put his shoes on 1 hour before a game, and went out and owned everyone. This isn't how it works. Greatness is only achieved through hours and hours of preparation. Guys like Jordan and Curry/Davis etc. are putting in more work than anyone.

I hope Skal has that in him. Some do, some don't.

Nobody should be waking up at 3 AM everyday to go to the gym, especially during the season. Adequate rest and sleep is necessary for gaining strength.
 
Skal just needs a ton of food right now. Obviously needs to get stronger, but his caloric intake everyday should be sky high.

Just send this guy to the buffet 3 times a day.
 
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Nobody should be waking up at 3 AM everyday to go to the gym, especially during the season. Adequate rest and sleep is necessary for gaining strength.

I disagree completely. 3, 4, whatever. At this point he needs to outwork everyone. It's all about how bad do you want it for some athletes.

And like I said, If it were me, I would. No one needs 10 ours a night fat guy. Hell, the wisdom nowadays is 6-7 anyway.

I know a guy that went to Michigan State and his day starts every morning at 3am. Don't tell him. I get up at 4am. I've had players that want the gym opened at 3:30 and one this semester wants it open @ 4:00am.

This is alpha time. It's dream time. You might not get another chance in these situations. Get everything you can get out of it now.
 
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I think orbzut coulda done better under cal than skal has..... For sure actually.

orbzut was a complete stiff. no talent

if cal had inherited a roster with him on it, he'd have sat him down and told him he had zero chance of ever making a rotation

shag at least blocked shots. orbzut did nothing well
 
He won't get drafted, at least not in the first round. No way, no chance. Nba gm's can be dumb, but they aren't that dumb. And please stop saying they draft on potential, he doesn't have any! A kid like Wiggins had potential, Young had a ton of potential, skal has no potential and everyone sees is. He's not getting drafted

Everyone sees it? Well, I doubt he would still be projected in the lottery if you were right. But he is, and well.... you are wrong. So, there ya go.
 
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