SIAP: Feamle athletes at Oregon sue the university on title IX grounds; cite NIL as well.
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Ridiculous.
Absolutely ridiculous.
This is capitalism. Not everyone gets the same pay or opportunities, the market determines that. Bo Nix should get more in NIL than the backup setter for the volleyball team. Why is this so hard to understand?
32 selfish athletes wanting to ruin it for everyone- just like Ed O'Bannon with the EA Sports lawsuit.
Absolutely ridiculous.
This is capitalism. Not everyone gets the same pay or opportunities, the market determines that. Bo Nix should get more in NIL than the backup setter for the volleyball team. Why is this so hard to understand?
32 selfish athletes wanting to ruin it for everyone- just like Ed O'Bannon with the EA Sports lawsuit.
Yep...and quite frankly, all these female athletes complaining about fair or equal pay should really be directing their outrage at all the so called feminists who trumpet equal pay in everybody's face, but never, ever watch women's sports or support women's sports in any capacity.
Ridiculous.
We are teaching children to be little narcissistic socialists and this is the result. Equity over equality. Sad thing is your average college student would not be able to tell you the difference.
Universities have nothing to do with NIL. Or atleast that's the way it's suppsoed to be. Nobody is naive enough to actually believe that though lol.
Free market supply and demand. NIL money should theoretically flow proportionately to those who are deemed marketable. Anything else is just a socialist money grab "share the wealth" scheme.
As for scholarships and facilities, I guess if the school sponsors the team, they should at least provide adequate facilities for them. But the cost and design of those facilities should, again, be proportional to the amount of revenue (i.e profit) that sport brings to the school or the AA.
As for scholarships and facilities, I guess if the school sponsors the team, they should at least provide adequate facilities for them. But the cost and design of those facilities should, again, be proportional to the amount of revenue (i.e profit) that sport brings to the school or the AA.
What's going to be interesting is in theory NIL collectives are private "charities". Can the government dictate how a private entity operates? Now, what's going to be even more interesting is discovery. Because to prove that NILs are coerced by schools they'll have to dig into every bit of communication between collectives and university officials (coaches, admins, etc.)
What's ironic in all of this is the fact that if it weren't for men's sports, women's sports would not exist at universities at all. The funding simply wouldn't be there.
No, no they cannot. End of discussion.
Go to Russia or China if you want Communism.
Here we go folks...it was inevitable...bean counting and title 9 was always going to come in.
Said on the FB forum that this will probably lead to BCS taking a couple of super conferences and splitting entirely from NCAA/collegiate athletics. Do their own thing as essentially a pro/semi-pro organization. May take some basketball programs with them, or maybe the 20-30 basketball programs that are profitable and can command ratings split and do their own thing.
BCS makes way too much money and are becoming a pretty powerful entity that's going to have less and less interest in splitting money.
Most Athletic Depts and collectives can't afford to pay 400+ athletes.
Said on the FB forum that this will probably lead to BCS taking a couple of super conferences and splitting entirely from NCAA/collegiate athletics. Do their own thing as essentially a pro/semi-pro organization. May take some basketball programs with them, or maybe the 20-30 basketball programs that are profitable and can command ratings split and do their own thing.
BCS makes way too much money and are becoming a pretty powerful entity that's going to have less and less interest in splitting money.
Most Athletic Depts and collectives can't afford to pay 400+ athletes.
Here we go folks...it was inevitable...bean counting and title 9 was always going to come in.
Said on the FB forum that this will probably lead to BCS taking a couple of super conferences and splitting entirely from NCAA/collegiate athletics. Do their own thing as essentially a pro/semi-pro organization. May take some basketball programs with them, or maybe the 20-30 basketball programs that are profitable and can command ratings split and do their own thing.
BCS makes way too much money and are becoming a pretty powerful entity that's going to have less and less interest in splitting money.
Most Athletic Depts and collectives can't afford to pay 400+ athletes.
Said on the FB forum that this will probably lead to BCS taking a couple of super conferences and splitting entirely from NCAA/collegiate athletics. Do their own thing as essentially a pro/semi-pro organization. May take some basketball programs with them, or maybe the 20-30 basketball programs that are profitable and can command ratings split and do their own thing.
BCS makes way too much money and are becoming a pretty powerful entity that's going to have less and less interest in splitting money.
Most Athletic Depts and collectives can't afford to pay 400+ athletes.
The only female sport I can even tolerate is golf. Some of those ladies can play but most every other sport is like watching a root canal.
In theory, universities don't and can't do that. The NIL collective decides how the money gets spent. Period. This is akin to the feds telling the Salvation Army where to direct it's funds or telling United Way you must spend X amount of dollars on a specific segment of the population.
Now, that's only if its shown NILs are truly independent. If universities are running the show in these collectives, well, it's about to get ugly. What's going to be even MORE fun, is if they tell public universities how to do that, what about private universities that don't have to play by the same rules (as Title IX does not apply to them).
So what does this mean for the transgenders? That is all that really matters.
I want to watch that daily wire movie Lady Ballers. Looks like a new sports classic film lol.
Are you that low class that you think making fun of marginalized people is what we're here for? Get that crap out of here.
Have any of you that are up in arms about this actually read some of the specifics of the complaint? There are things referenced that are legitimate Title IX issues.
For example, the varsity beach volleyball team does not have any facility to use. The university has them play and practice at a public park. And they were unable to practice this week after a dead body was found near the courts. At a school that spends as much on facilities as Oregon, this kind of thing probably shouldn’t be happening. There are also issues with respect to the amount of athletic scholarships awarded to men versus women. It’s okay for someone to question these things and I don’t think this isn’t something worth getting worked up about.
On the NIL front, the issue, if there even is one, will probably come down to the degree to which the school exercises some control over how money is directed towards athletes. If it’s truly an arm’s length relationship between the school and collective, it seems unlikely that there will be any issue.
I also don’t see why folks would be concerned about a court decision that might force schools and collectives to work independently. That would undercut the steps states like Texas are taking to foster coordination between the athletics departments and the collectives. I just don’t see the issue there.
Either way, it seems like the prudent course of action would be to just see how this plays out rather than getting upset about it. You can allege a lot of things in a lawsuit, but that doesn’t mean that they are true or that your theory of the law is one that the courts will agree with.
For example, the varsity beach volleyball team does not have any facility to use. The university has them play and practice at a public park. And they were unable to practice this week after a dead body was found near the courts. At a school that spends as much on facilities as Oregon, this kind of thing probably shouldn’t be happening. There are also issues with respect to the amount of athletic scholarships awarded to men versus women. It’s okay for someone to question these things and I don’t think this isn’t something worth getting worked up about.
On the NIL front, the issue, if there even is one, will probably come down to the degree to which the school exercises some control over how money is directed towards athletes. If it’s truly an arm’s length relationship between the school and collective, it seems unlikely that there will be any issue.
I also don’t see why folks would be concerned about a court decision that might force schools and collectives to work independently. That would undercut the steps states like Texas are taking to foster coordination between the athletics departments and the collectives. I just don’t see the issue there.
Either way, it seems like the prudent course of action would be to just see how this plays out rather than getting upset about it. You can allege a lot of things in a lawsuit, but that doesn’t mean that they are true or that your theory of the law is one that the courts will agree with.
Anyone who doesn't love a good volleyball match with all the spandex is questionable in my book.
I actually low-key love watching the Volleyball cats, they are super fun.
And beach volleyball of course is the best for obvious reasons.
Just a matter of time before this happened.
They've been watching women's soccer and MEgain Repulsive and her crying about "equal pay".
A true but irrelevant fact in these matters.
Look at the wnba....without the NBA it would have folded a long time ago.
While I agree with your sentiments on this....gubmint will get involved as it always does in these matters and it will screw things up as it always does in these matters.
There's a great Bill Burr bit about trying to push women's sports on the masses when women won't even watch them. How they'd rather watch reality shows in which the purpose of those programs is to tear each other down and shit talk one another. One is built on teamwork and positivity, the other built on hatred, jealousy, and drama. Guess which one women watch in droves?
Having said that...there's been lots of bad takes in terms of NIL and it's seen here occasionally. Can't tell you how many times someone has whined about the NCAA doing something, as if they can reverse a SCOTUS decision or the idea of a cap, which won't occur either.
Having said that...there's been lots of bad takes in terms of NIL and it's seen here occasionally. Can't tell you how many times someone has whined about the NCAA doing something, as if they can reverse a SCOTUS decision or the idea of a cap, which won't occur either.
My understanding of the Women's Soccer thing (and I could be wrong)- is that they didn't want equal pay in terms of dollars and cents, but rather an equal percentage of the revenue.
Total hypothetical with fake numbers, but I understood it like if the men's team was making 10% of the $1 Million revenue, they made $100,000.
The women were fighting to get 10% of their revenue as well. For them, 10% of maybe $400,000, they were wanting $40K, which is the same percentage the men got.
If I am understanding that right, that seems fair. Same time commitment, same organization, getting an equal percent (which would equate to much less money) seemed okay for me.
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Agreed. Not upset but definitely rolling my eyes. And I *did* call out the schools for giving women's sponsored sports adequate (if not palatial, depending on their profit/loss) facilities. The whole playing-in-the-park thing and near visible drug users and murdered bodies is unacceptable, regardless of revenue generated or lost.
Good summary in this article.
Did the US women’s soccer team win their ‘equal pay’ case? It’s complicated
While other federations put their prize money back into developing the next generation, US Soccer’s prize money is paying the current players and their lawyers
I agree, but moving or altering the structures only puts a band aid on their community. Fix the overarching problem as well
Aren't the highest earning NIL athletes smokeshow girls like Livvy Dunne?
The funny thing about when wnba players cry, they always claim they don't expect to be paid as much as the nba but they just what the same %. Yet, The women actually get paid a much larger percentage of revenue bc there is none in the wnba. They are already making more than the equal %
It's beach volleyball. It's literally played outside on sand... and mostly at a beach. What kind of facility do they think they need? As for the dead body, they decided to go to college at a state who decriminalized fentanyl. What do they expect?
That’s my point. With as much money as Oregon throws around on facilities, it’s not unreasonable to expect them to install a couple of sand volleyball courts somewhere on campus. It’s just sand and some nets. There’s really not much excuse for Oregon not having their own court if they field a varsity team.
I'm glad they are going after it. I hope there's more and more problems with NIL and the whole system comes crashing down. It's ludicrous you have to bribe players with potentially millions of dollars to come to a school without showing they are even worth it. Should have never been allowed. If they want to make money earlier then talk the NFL into getting a G league and go play there for a few years. I hope it forces legislation that takes advantages away from the richest schools by putting limits on the amounts paid out and puts more rules on these collectives.
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Yep. If they want more NIL money they should look more like her. It’s pretty simple.
Nobody really gives a shit if they’re good at their sport or not. Hell I don’t even know if Dunne is good. But I know I like looking at her and would give her money to let me look at her.
How does Title IX work in a world that can't define what a woman is?
Same here, I will never give 5 cents to NIL, that and unlimited transfer portal have really soured me on college sports
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