Just ball players man. No fear. Aggressive. Excellent passers.
Should be the starters. Nothing wrong with rewarding performance.
Should be the starters. Nothing wrong with rewarding performance.
Shep and Dillingham
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And nothing wrong with starting the best players.
Those two play together like they've been doing this for years.
I don’t mind them not starting as long as cal gets them in the game rather quickly. Waiting to the 15 minute mark of both the first and 2nd half is not going to cut it as he did in the Kansas game.
Was at the game tonight. Both played great. Reed was on all night. Just a special player. Unbelievable how confident and humble he is.
I’m fine w them not starting as long as Cal doesn’t limit minutes. Shep ending the game w 3 fouls and playing limited in the 2nd half against Kansas was criminal. All 4 of our guards +Edwards should get a minimum of 20 a piece split between the 1-3 spots
Exactly.
All people care about is who f*cking starts. It's so dumb. Who cares- they ALL need to play a ton of minutes, and they all ARE playing a ton of minutes.
Who starts can be a pretty big deal though. You can’t always start off every game falling down by double digits or close to it, especially against strong competition, and spend all your energy clawing back into the game. So who does start is not dumb in that sense.
Definitely something to be said for having two high energy guys coming off the bench a few minutes into the game. If the current starting five can learn to start anything other than slow I think it's a pretty good strategy to bring Shep and Dilly off the bench.
Give the other team a few minutes to get used to the game, and then right when they think they have their feet under them hit them with Shep and Dilly and knock them down again.
And this refrain of “Who cares” fails to consider that the players themselves care. There’s no level of competition where players are happy to come off the bench (maybe NBA, where they still make millions). Anyone who thinks players don’t care about starting or coming off the bench has never played sports competitively.
Wagner and Edwards would certainly care if they were no longer starting. And Dilly and Shepherd would certainly feel rewarded for their great play by being made starters.
I don't care who starts but Reed's +/- was 42 tonight. He needs to be playing around 30 minutes a game and definitely needed more minutes in the second half of the Kansas game.
Something I have noticed about Wagner is that the ball does not stick to him. He is an active passer-just not quite as skilled a passer as Reed but still good. I think he will be great by the end of the year.
Dilly is good but he needs to focus on playing under control. I can see him losing a tight game for us by trying to be the hero.
Something I have noticed about Wagner is that the ball does not stick to him. He is an active passer-just not quite as skilled a passer as Reed but still good. I think he will be great by the end of the year.
Dilly is good but he needs to focus on playing under control. I can see him losing a tight game for us by trying to be the hero.
They were at the scorers table at the 17 minute mark of the first half. Cal pulled the trigger rather quickly to begin the game.
Last night, yes, the Kansas game No which is why I said will not cut it like that game specifically,
There were a lot, and I mean a lot of naysayers on both of these young men.... own it if you have the stones.
The posters claiming it doesn’t matter who starts either no NOTHING about team sports, sat the bench in their respective sport, or both!
Just another foolish example of Cal worship!
What a great idea! Have the bench warmers start the game, and have the players who have earned it be the bigger person and let the scrubs take the credit!
Genius sports psychology!!!😭
Just another foolish example of Cal worship!
What a great idea! Have the bench warmers start the game, and have the players who have earned it be the bigger person and let the scrubs take the credit!
Genius sports psychology!!!😭
I think, in the back of everyone’s head, we are already fast forwarding to the final four. We can see it happening NOW! Please don’t sit Tyler and Devin (Shepherd & Dilly) for the last 10 minutes of the game and play stall ball…
Another idea is to start the best players and not fall behind every game. Reward performance
Love the chemistry these two already have. There were several times tonight when they just played a two man game and made that zone look silly. Both understood how to attack and sink in the zone and kick it out. Beautiful basketball.
It seems to be REALLY affecting Reed and Dillingham in a negative way to come off the bench. Devin Booker came off the bench. He...seems to be ok with how things turned out. Reed just dropped 25 points. Do you think he's going to become depressed? Is he going to be mad and leave the team? What exactly are you worried about on his behalf. I really don't think he's worried about it coming off a 25 point night.
I get that DJ and Edwards have struggled, but to call them bench warmers is a gross over-exaggeration.
Wagner is much more likely to lose games for us. I don’t get this take at all and I’m seeing it routinely. Without those two getting most of the minutes you won’t be in many tough games to begin with.
Tyler and Devin suxked balls on defense against Wisconsin. They couldn't guard air. Booker also couldn't shoot by that point n the season. This myth perpetrated on this board that the outcome would have been any different is comical. Cal still would have made them play stall ball and run the clock down. Maybe ulis or Booker throw up a garbage 3 that goes in. We will never know. That loss was 100% on calipari.
The Harrisons won the ND game to get UK to the 2015 final four and led UK to the 2014 final four as freshmen.
Big difference between that wisconsin myth and Dilly and Reed there. They are great defenders and can score.
Do you think that on a night where Reed scores 25, he feels slighted because he didn't start?
Manu Ginobili is a hall of famer and rarely started a game.
Jamal Crawford and Lou Williams were electric scorers off of the bench for years.
None of these guys seemed to lose a lick of sleep over it.
Do you think that if Reed doesn't feel rewarded, he's going to try less hard and play poorly?
I just can't get behind the narrative that a kid has a 25 point game, 4 games into the season, and is so upset over not starting that it amounts to anything.
Need I remind you that UK was home to the first recognized "Sixth Man" in basketball history in Frank Ramsey? Then there was James Lee in 1978, just when the other team is starting to tire, you hit them with raw power and energy off the bench.
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I thought Cal said that one of the purposes of the bench was to teach players who weren't performing up to standards.
Out of 1057. That's 33%.
I guess we can debate over my use of "rarely," but at 33%, I don't think it was "common" for him to start a game.
So, point withstanding, an NBA hall of famer came off the bench in 67% of his games.
Maybe it would help Wagner or Edwards to come off the bench? Is that not a plausible thought?
Maybe starting is adding to their pressure.
I guess anything is possible. They also may feel more pressure when they're in off the bench.
But by that same logic, maybe we don't need to start Dillingham and Sheppard because the added pressure may affect their games.
Everything has to cut both ways.
FWIW, I thought DJ played fine. 3/8 from 3 is a good shooting clip. I'll take 38% from him all season.
Put me in the camp of it's no big deal who starts. It's all about who is in down the stretch. I would start Sheppard and Dillingham for DJ/Edwards the next game just to see how it goes. Not so much to punish DJ and Edwards, but just to change it up a bit. They are both pressing a little it seems to me, and coming off the bench might help them settle in better.
Amazing. 4 games in and it's clearly obvious who is playing better, but you'd rather say things like this.
Can it change sure. Very hopeful Wagner and Edwards become the players most think they are. But some folks would rather hold up Cal over everything else.
Even Cal realizes how well they are playing, but no way you'd suggest Cal should start them. My goodness
It very well could, you are correct. But we have gotten off to slow starts the last couple of games too. Even against KU, I was thinking 'just wait until Sheppard/Dillingham get in' when we were down 11-3.
See, again
You guys wanna pick and choose where the arguments apply. We shouldn't start some guys because they'll feel pressure.
But no way Reed and Dilly could feel pressure.
I don't personally care who starts. But I don't think we're hurting or penalizing Reed/Dilly by bringing them off the bench.
You won't hear my gripe and moan if Cal changes the starting lineup.
I know, why should more productive players start. Crazy thinking. Keep holding Cal's hand though
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