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Duke Blue Devils
Conference Affiliation: Atlantic Coast Conference
Head Coach: Mike Krzyzewski
This is Coach Krzyzewski's 41st season overall (1020-310 .767) 36th with Duke (947-251 .790)

Game information:
Tuesday, November 17 Kentucky United Center, Chicago, IL 7:30 p.m. EST TV: ESPN
This game is part of the State Farm Champions Classic

Last season's result: National Champs 35-4
Starters lost from last season: 4
Jahlil Okafor 17.3pts, 8.5reb
Quinn Cook 15.3pts, 3.4reb, 2.6ast
Justice Winslow 12.6pts, 6.5reb, 2.1ast
Tyus Jones 11.8pts, 5.6ast, 3.5reb

Schedule
N13 SIENA W, 92-74
N14 BRYANT W, 113-75

Probable Starters (with stats for 2 games)
F #14 Brandon Ingram 6-9 190 Fr 18.0pts, 4.0reb, 1.5ast, 33.3% from 3
F #21 Amile Jefferson 6-9 225 Sr 15.0pts, 11.5reb, no 3pt threat
C #40 Marshall Plumlee 7-0 250 Gr 6.0pts, 8.5reb, 2.5blks, no 3pt threat
G #3 Grayson Allen 6-5 205 So 27.0pts, 4.0reb, 4.0ast, 41.7% from 3
G #13 Matt Jones 6-5 200 Jr 14.5pts, 1.5reb, 2.0ast, 60% from 3

Key bench players
G #12 Derryck Thornton 6-2 175 Fr 4.5pts, 4.0reb, 3.0ast, 16.7% from 3
G #5 Luke Kennard 6-5 180 Fr 10.0pts, 2.5reb, 25% from 3
F #2 Chase Jeter 6-10 240 Fr 5.0pts, 4.5reb, no 3pt threat

Team Stats (through 2 games)
Points per game 102.5
Points allowed 74.5
Scoring margin +28.0
Field goal pct .496
FG% defense .451
3-point FG pct .373
3pt FG pct D .476
3-pt FG made per game 9.5
Free throw pct .738
Rebounds per game 43.5
Opponents rebounds 33.5
Rebounding margin +10.0
Assists per game 13.0
Turnovers per game 8.0
Turnover margin +10.0
Assist/turnover ratio 1.6
Steals per game 11.0
Blocks per game 5.5

Analysis: Duke enters this game ranked #5 in the AP Poll and #4 in the Coaches Poll, and bring a team that has scored over 100 points per game to the United Center in Chicago to face a Kentucky team ranked #2 in the AP Poll and #1 in the Coaches Poll. This is a battle of the 2 premier programs in college basketball today and arguably in all of NCAA men's basketball history. Kentucky leads the overall series 11-9 but Duke has won 7 of the last 8 in the series.

Both the Wildcats and the Blue Devils are breaking in some new starters in this game. Kentucky lost all 5 starters from a year ago, plus 2 others, from a Final Four team. Duke lost 4 of 5 starters from a national title team. Both teams played back to back games Friday and Saturday against mid-majors and now stand at 2-0 on the young season.

For Duke, 4 returnees and one freshman will start. This line-up of Jones, Allen, Ingram, Jefferson, and Plumlee started both of their games to this point. So far, the big star for the Blue Devils has been Grayson Allen. The 6-5 sophomore guard has averaged 27 points per game against Siena and Bryant, shooting 51.6% from the field and 41.7% from 3. He has also lived at the free throw line where he has shot 17-18 for 94.4% so far. Allen has been able to bully his way to the goal in their first 2 games and finished with lay-ups or fouls on the opponent. Allen also leads the team in assists per game with 4 per game. His backcourt mate is Matt Jones, another 6-5 guard who is playing some point and some shooting guard. Jones has been shooting it very well from 3pt range, shooting 6-10 for 60%. One concern for Duke thus far, which hasn't mattered against the 2 cupcakes they've played, is that they don't seem to have a true point guard starting. Allen and Jones are both shooting guards or combo guards from what I've seen of them. In watching them play, Allen, Jones, and Ingram have all initiated the offense at different times.

The guy playing small forward is Brandon Ingram, a player UK fans are likely familiar with from the recruiting circuit this last year. He's a 6-9 small forward who is very perimeter oriented in his game. He's only 190lbs (soaking wet, I'd say), so it's no wonder he prefers to stay out of the paint. In the time I watched, he seems to have the green light to handle the ball, start the offense, and shoot from anywhere on the floor. He has shot 33.3% from 3 (5-15) thus far and has scored 18.0 points per game. But here again, the level of competition needs to be considered. His length is impressive, without question, but his handle seems a bit suspect to me.

The other 2 frontcourt players are guys UK fans are very familiar with, Amile Jefferson and Marshall Plumlee (v. 4.0). Jefferson is finally a senior and he is a critically important player for Duke. He's 6-9 225 and has a little bit of a back to the basket game. Given the fact that Plumlee has almost no back to the basket game, it's easy to see why Jefferson is so important. He's averaging 15 points and 11.5 rebounds in their first 2 games and is second on the team in minutes played. Plumlee is a big, lumbering center who has never been a huge threat to score, and that hasn't changed this year, even against 2 teams with no size whatsoever. He's averaged 6 points and 8.5 rebounds in these first 2 games. Neither Plumlee nor Jefferson are any perimeter threat.

The bench for Duke features 3 freshmen, G Derryck Thornton, G Luke Kennard, and F Chase Jeter. These 3 guys have decent potential, though none appear very ready for the big time as yet. Thornton has played some point guard duty for Duke and has done fairly well. He's 2nd on the team with 3.0 assists per game and he's played 24.5 minutes against the 2 cupcakes. In my opinion, he's the only true point guard on the team, but his lack of shooting/scoring keeps him from starting. Kennard is a shooter who hasn't found his shot yet. He's scored 10 points per game but is only shooting 25% from 3 so far. But he's still dangerous if left open. Chase Jeter may have the most upside of the bench players. He's a 6-10 240lb power forward (ranked by most services in the top 15 recruits last year) who still looks uneasy at this level. If he develops this season, he could be starting over Plumlee by season's end. But that won't happen Tuesday night.

I feel pretty good about this game going in. Duke is going to try to play man to man against UK for most of the night. They have a size advantage over UK but I believe the Cats have a significant quickness advantage. This Duke team can be very dangerous from 3pt range, especially if given much space, so that will need to be a focus of the defense all night. I'm not sure who UK will have defending Grayson Allen, but I think we have at least 3 guys who could stop the drives that have netted him so many points so far. Ingram is a concern for the Cats because of his size and length at the 3. If UK goes with that 3 guard line-up, it will be hard to keep him from getting clean looks, but I don't think UK will have trouble keeping him out of the lane. One possible answer might be Derek Willis. Some may worry about Willis in this game, but I think he's a good match-up for Ingram, who is likely not used to playing against someone his own size and quickness. On the interior, I'm very interested to see how Labissiere plays against a true 7-footer in Plumlee, who is not fleet of foot but has significant size and strength. I'm also interested to see if Lee and Poythress can shut down Jefferson down low, and keep him off the glass. I think they have a good chance to get it done.

I don't know exactly what to expect in this game because there are so many newcomers on the floor for both teams. I think UK is in better position to win this game right now, though. Point guard play will be key in a game like this and I think Duke is weak in that area. As I said above, Grayson Allen has bullied his way around and over opponents in those first 2 games. He won't be able to do that against UK. Officiating will be a big concern for this game as well. With the new "freedom of movement" emphasis and this being the first nationally televised featured game, I expect a bunch of fouls to be called. UK will need hit free throws. If fouls are being called, the bench becomes much more significant. Actually, I think that would play into UK's hands. Duke lacks much quality depth.

Prediction: UK 82 Duke 76
 
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Thanks @IL Wildcat this is very telling. We now Cal has been preparing in some shape or fashion for Duke all along.

Cal has been extraordinarily vocal on cheap fouls, especially out front and on the wings.

Allen is 17-18 from the line...



"One concern for Duke thus far, which hasn't mattered against the 2 cupcakes they've played, is that they don't seem to have a true point guard starting."


"Could this be why we are pressing so much in both games...?
 
I also think we might see a lot of Willis tonight. He should be able to guard Ingram effectively. Perhaps more importantly he can stretch the Duke defense and let our quick guards operate in the paint. Should be a fun game to watch and I wouldn't be at all disappointed in a loss against a really good and well coached team.
 
I'm intersted to see how all the newcomers react to such a talented team, and that includes Willis. I'm sure they'll all do fine. The best usually comes out against the best.
 
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so they're getting a lot of steals, not turning it over, knocking down FTs, and shooting it well from 3.

o_O
Yeah, that's one way to look at it. They're gonna be pretty good, of course. But Siena and Bryant make Albany and NJIT look like top 25 schools. They're terrible. But it's true that Duke got a bunch of steals, didn't turn it over, and hit their free throws. They shot 37.3% from 3 in these 2 games, which is pretty good, not terrific. Their opponents have shot 47.6% from 3 so far. If we give them open shots all night, we'll likely lose.
 
Thanks for the report op. I also enjoy reading them. Just want UK to win this game if only by 1 point. I look for a very close game.
 
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Just don't see how a coach who has lost in the early rounds of the tournament to Lehigh and Mercer is going to beat UK on tuesday night. I mean Coach K lost to Lehigh and Mercer, no way he can beat UK.
 
Kentucky should have open looks from three-point range. Duke's not been good defensively in that area. If Murray, Briscoe, Willis, Poythress, and Ulis are hot from deep, Kentucky should be able to bomb away and/or shoot well from 20 feet.
 
Given the size of Duke's guards might we see more Briscoe/Murray at point and reduced minutes for Ulis. I in no way intend this as a knock on Tyler but he strikes me at having been less that 100% these last two games.
 
I'm ready to see how good our young team really is. This game should be a good measuring stick. I think we will keep the game close but our speed will eventually be too much for the dookies and we win by 5 or 6.

Now, if dook shoots an ungodly percentage from 3 or gets all the calls from the refs like they are used to getting, then all bets are off. That may be too much to overcome unless we play an entire game like we played in the 2nd half against NJIT.
 
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CUT-NETS is a Duke fan.. Everyone should know this by now, but if you don't post much or are new... There you go.

CUT-NETS = Duke fan.. or maybe just a hateful UL fan.. I don't know.
 
Just don't see how a coach who has lost in the early rounds of the tournament to Lehigh and Mercer is going to beat UK on tuesday night. I mean Coach K lost to Lehigh and Mercer, no way he can beat UK.

At least you stay true to yourself.
 
Hey guys,

Old school Duke grad/athlete/fan (graduated in the mid/late 90s) here... looking forward to the game, although only somewhat, because I get hella nervous for big games.

The scouting report is generally good. Amile Jefferson has been a really interesting player, looking bigger this year and VERY aggressive. He has a lot of bounce and has INSANELY long arms... you have to wonder if his age/experience will be enough.

Thornton has definitely been a bit underwhelming so far, but you can see the talent there... if he finally gets it, that will be good.

Look for Duke to start some of the older guys... Jones, Jefferson, Plumlee, and Allen have all been starting, along with Ingram. Will be interesting to see how the guards in particular hang, or try to hang, with Murray.

Duke's D actually hasn't been that bad. The last game got a little flukey as A) Bryant scored a bunch in the last minute or three, and B) they had two guys who were just hitting from everywhere, even when REALLY well defended. Overall Duke has some length and a bit of experience and strength (relative to the young teams of nowadays) so the D could be a bit of a pain for UK.

I know the OP mentioned depth... what does the depth look like for UK? Not as familiar with your non-starters.

I think UK by 6, but it is so so early in the season with SO many new faces who knows, and I doubt the teams that play tonight will really be similar to the teams that come to play in March. Should be a great environment for two heavyweight teams that don't actually play each other that often, despite both fan bases being so familiar with each other!
 
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Just don't see how a coach who has lost in the early rounds of the tournament to Lehigh and Mercer is going to beat UK on tuesday night
So two losses negate five national titles, 12 final fours, 12 ACC regular season titles, and 13 ACC tournament titles? Wow.

To the OP, really enjoyed your run down of Duke. Should be an interesting game, and you certainly hit on Duke's need for quality minutes at PG.

Should be a very entertaining game!
 
You would think that if Duke tries to pressure the ball the way they did in the first two games that Ulis,Briscoe and Murray would make them pay. I think a track meet favors UK,Willis guarding Ingram doesn't thrill me at all.Wilis has played well so far but in horse race terms we have a $7500 claimer going in a stakes race(We'll have to see how that goes.)

AP needs to come to play,Lee could be a problem for Duke if he continues to rebound as he has in the first 2,but like Willis the competition is a little stiffer.

These are 2 new teams from last year even though it says Duke and Kentucky on the jerseys,it is a tough call on how this one plays out.

One additional thought with all the new rules the way the game is called may be more of a factor than usual.It appears K is going to use the "freedom of movement" like he did the flop and get his guards to bull their way to the basket.
 
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Just don't see how a coach who has lost in the early rounds of the tournament to Lehigh and Mercer is going to beat UK on tuesday night. I mean Coach K lost to Lehigh and Mercer, no way he can beat UK.
Take your one string banjo and go bother someone else...like, say, other dook fans.
 
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So two losses negate five national titles, 12 final fours, 12 ACC regular season titles, and 13 ACC tournament titles? Wow.

To the OP, really enjoyed your run down of Duke. Should be an interesting game, and you certainly hit on Duke's need for quality minutes at PG.

Should be a very entertaining game!

You're smarter than this.
 
Hey guys,

Old school Duke grad/athlete/fan (graduated in the mid/late 90s) here... looking forward to the game, although only somewhat, because I get hella nervous for big games.

The scouting report is generally good. Amile Jefferson has been a really interesting player, looking bigger this year and VERY aggressive. He has a lot of bounce and has INSANELY long arms... you have to wonder if his age/experience will be enough.

Thornton has definitely been a bit underwhelming so far, but you can see the talent there... if he finally gets it, that will be good.

Look for Duke to start some of the older guys... Jones, Jefferson, Plumlee, and Allen have all been starting, along with Ingram. Will be interesting to see how the guards in particular hang, or try to hang, with Murray.

Duke's D actually hasn't been that bad. The last game got a little flukey as A) Bryant scored a bunch in the last minute or three, and B) they had two guys who were just hitting from everywhere, even when REALLY well defended. Overall Duke has some length and a bit of experience and strength (relative to the young teams of nowadays) so the D could be a bit of a pain for UK.

I know the OP mentioned depth... what does the depth look like for UK? Not as familiar with your non-starters.

I think UK by 6, but it is so so early in the season with SO many new faces who knows, and I doubt the teams that play tonight will really be similar to the teams that come to play in March. Should be a great environment for two heavyweight teams that don't actually play each other that often, despite both fan bases being so familiar with each other!

Ok I've been trying to find a Duke fan to answer a couple questions for me. What's up with Obi? He was a double double guy at Rice and I thought he would have a big time impact with you guys this year. But I saw he's barely played. Am I over rating him?
 
Ok I've been trying to find a Duke fan to answer a couple questions for me. What's up with Obi? He was a double double guy at Rice and I thought he would have a big time impact with you guys this year. But I saw he's barely played. Am I over rating him?

If you can figure it out, let us know:(

Seriously, there hasn't been much said, but the behind-the-scenes chatter is that he was REALLY far beyond in terms of offense, and far behind on defense as well. Some of the higher-ups at the Duke forums I check regularly have implied that Obi might never really become an important cog of the machine.

It is crazy, though... the guy is well-built, broad with long arms and heavy, and was a monster at Rice... but maybe the level of talent is just not enough to unseat someone like Jeter (well, obviously with Jeter, kid was a top talent) or Vrankovic, who wasn't highly rated but is HUGE and has really good bloodlines, which sometimes does lead to a kid who can play. Who knows, maybe Obi will become a piece of the puzzle eventually?
 
Hey guys,

Old school Duke grad/athlete/fan (graduated in the mid/late 90s) here... looking forward to the game, although only somewhat, because I get hella nervous for big games.

The scouting report is generally good. Amile Jefferson has been a really interesting player, looking bigger this year and VERY aggressive. He has a lot of bounce and has INSANELY long arms... you have to wonder if his age/experience will be enough.

Thornton has definitely been a bit underwhelming so far, but you can see the talent there... if he finally gets it, that will be good.

Look for Duke to start some of the older guys... Jones, Jefferson, Plumlee, and Allen have all been starting, along with Ingram. Will be interesting to see how the guards in particular hang, or try to hang, with Murray.

Duke's D actually hasn't been that bad. The last game got a little flukey as A) Bryant scored a bunch in the last minute or three, and B) they had two guys who were just hitting from everywhere, even when REALLY well defended. Overall Duke has some length and a bit of experience and strength (relative to the young teams of nowadays) so the D could be a bit of a pain for UK.

I know the OP mentioned depth... what does the depth look like for UK? Not as familiar with your non-starters.

I think UK by 6, but it is so so early in the season with SO many new faces who knows, and I doubt the teams that play tonight will really be similar to the teams that come to play in March. Should be a great environment for two heavyweight teams that don't actually play each other that often, despite both fan bases being so familiar with each other!


Our rotation is going to be Ulis, Briscoe, Murray, Lee, Skal, Poythress, Willis, and Mathews, with Humphries and Mulder getting just a few mins per game. Willis is a guy we're really excited about and I'm sure you don't know much about him. He's a local kid who has waited his turn to contribute and so far he looks like a totally different player. He's 6'9 SF type who can play a little 4. He's a really good shooter. That's his best attribute IMO. Above average defense, he can block some shots, good passer, and he can rebound. He's becoming my favorite player. Mathews is a really bouncy wing. He's raw but has a ton of upside. He's best quality for now is defense. He should be a lock down defender by the middle of the season. He's not a good shooter. More of a true slashing wing. Then Poy will be the other main bench guy, but I'm sure you're familiar with him. He could be a beast if he just had that alpha personality. Kid should be a double-double machine. But he's just a little soft sometimes.
 
So two losses negate five national titles, 12 final fours, 12 ACC regular season titles, and 13 ACC tournament titles? Wow.

To the OP, really enjoyed your run down of Duke. Should be an interesting game, and you certainly hit on Duke's need for quality minutes at PG.

Should be a very entertaining game!
Pay no attention to cut nets Mark. This guy likes to stir the pot. Notice how he's been getting grief from multiple UK fans. We all know Coach K is the best in the game today. We'd like to think Calipari is right there with him, but you can't argue with 1020 wins.

Looking forward to a good game. I'm gonna be nervous as well. There are many unknowns here. Lots of young talent but very few proven commodities, at least against a quality opponent.
 
Our rotation is going to be Ulis, Briscoe, Murray, Lee, Skal, Poythress, Willis, and Mathews, with Humphries and Mulder getting just a few mins per game. Willis is a guy we're really excited about and I'm sure you don't know much about him. He's a local kid who has waited his turn to contribute and so far he looks like a totally different player. He's 6'9 SF type who can play a little 4. He's a really good shooter. That's his best attribute IMO. Above average defense, he can block some shots, good passer, and he can rebound. He's becoming my favorite player. Mathews is a really bouncy wing. He's raw but has a ton of upside. He's best quality for now is defense. He should be a lock down defender by the middle of the season. He's not a good shooter. More of a true slashing wing. Then Poy will be the other main bench guy, but I'm sure you're familiar with him. He could be a beast if he just had that alpha personality. Kid should be a double-double machine. But he's just a little soft sometimes.

Thanks, appreciated!
 
Pay no attention to cut nets Mark. This guy likes to stir the pot. Notice how he's been getting grief from multiple UK fans. We all know Coach K is the best in the game today.
As does he - he's argued that K is better than Cal, and invariably someone points out those early round losses. He's just throwing it back in the faces of BBN. He is either not a UK fan - in which case, what kind of nut job has enough time to devote to keeping up that kind of facade day after day, month after month? What kind of person is motivated, and has time, to do that? Or he is a UK fan - in which case, he's simply a miserable person. 4 final fours in 5 years, and he complains. Endlessly.
 
So, each team plays 8 typically, or can be expected to. Duke's 8 includes 4 freshmen, a sophomore, a junior and two seniors. UK's 8 includes 4 freshmen, a sophomore, 2 juniors and a senior.

Which means Cal is going to be talking non-stop about how inexperienced we are compared to them. heh.....
 
If you can figure it out, let us know:(

Seriously, there hasn't been much said, but the behind-the-scenes chatter is that he was REALLY far beyond in terms of offense, and far behind on defense as well. Some of the higher-ups at the Duke forums I check regularly have implied that Obi might never really become an important cog of the machine.

It is crazy, though... the guy is well-built, broad with long arms and heavy, and was a monster at Rice... but maybe the level of talent is just not enough to unseat someone like Jeter (well, obviously with Jeter, kid was a top talent) or Vrankovic, who wasn't highly rated but is HUGE and has really good bloodlines, which sometimes does lead to a kid who can play. Who knows, maybe Obi will become a piece of the puzzle eventually?
Just to echo TheDude1, it doesn't seem like Obi will get more than mop up minutes at this point. Hoping that changes as the season progresses. At the very least, he can rebound very well and provide us with 5 fouls. That said, I hope his ceiling gets much higher.
 
Who said that our full court press is a key, is right. They don't got a PG, we press, press, press

And the adverse opinion to that statement:

But they have very smart players and K.

Jefferson is a senior, Plumlee is a very good passer, doubt Jones or Allen get rattled plus they are 6'5.

Could go after Ingram..


We could get burnt on the press.

You trust it more than i do this early.
 
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I think the score will be much lower because of the number of fouls that WILL be called
UK-62 Duke-57
Well, that could actually increase the score of the game. More fouls = more scoring opportunities with the clock stopped = more points scored. I actually considered that when coming up with 80+ points for the winning score. The other thing that could happen because of additional fouls is that players back off and just stop making any contact. That could also lead to more scoring.
 
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