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Comebakatz3 said:
Thoughts about Louisville being 22nd?
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About right, "if" they can produce a serviceable oline. If oline is big liability, then maybe anywhere from 40 - 60. Their defense is going to be good, whether you guys accept that yet or not. QB position will be much improved from last season, but only if said QB gets adequate blocking to have a chance to succeed.
 
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Grumpyolddawg said:
They better learn to play a little defense, Western gave up more than 40 points 8 times last year and won 3 of those.
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Agreed; but they return their top four returning tacklers, their top six in sacks and TFL, and three of four in the secondary. Besides, with their offense averaging 45 points/game last season and returning everyone, their defense will have lots of leeway.
 
GusVanRan said:
Agreed; but they return their top four returning tacklers, their top six in sacks and TFL, and three of four in the secondary. Besides, with their offense averaging 45 points/game last season and returning everyone, their defense will have lots of leeway.
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lol, not sure returning all those defenders would be a good thing, they gave up 40 a game last eyar, that isn't much leeway. Take the UTsa game out and it becomes over 42. Their games should be exciting if you like offense, better make sure all the lightbulbs in scoreboard are working.
 
ajgcardman said:
About right, "if" they can produce a serviceable oline. If oline is big liability, then maybe anywhere from 40 - 60. Their defense is going to be good, whether you guys accept that yet or not. QB position will be much improved from last season, but only if said QB gets adequate blocking to have a chance to succeed.
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UL will end up in the 40-50 range...while it is not much the schedule is actually upgraded. They most likely start the season 2-4. Last year alone they lost like 30 out of the 2 deep line-up. while a few of those players have been replace with skill X-fers. The classes that fill most of those positions were ranked around the 50/60 mark. Also, most of those x-fers were dismissed from other teams....increasing the likelihood that if they do start off 2-4 issues will arise. And lets face it this same UL O as last year was bunk without Parker....He was the leading receiver missing 1/2 the season....he's not walking through that tunnel....
 
Grumpyolddawg said:
lol, not sure returning all those defenders would be a good thing, they gave up 40 a game last eyar, that isn't much leeway. Take the UTsa game out and it becomes over 42. Their games should be exciting if you like offense, better make sure all the lightbulbs in scoreboard are working.
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I guess it depends on whether you're betting returning experience makes things better, or you want to clean house and start over. Returning experience is historically a positive factor (WKU returns 7 starters, or 8 if you count the nickel). It's hard to imagine they finish the season ranked 120th in total defense again. Only way to go is up!

My original statement was only directed towards what they're going to do to Vanderbilt, and not the broader season. I say that as someone who would like to see Vandy win that game, actually. WKU winning isn't wishful thinking on my part, in other words.
 
I think mid 30s is about right as well. If we go 8-4 this season that will put us solidly in the top 25. If we played in any other conference we would be looking at 9-3 or 10-2. The problem is we plan in the SEC and are still going to take a couple bruises this year. Next year we will start about 25 and we will do more bruising than taking bruises.
 
jnewc2 said:
Still too low. I'd put us in the 30's
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I think the 30's to start the year is too high. We haven't done anything to warrant
dorkmeister said:
I think mid 30s is about right as well. If we go 8-4 this season that will put us solidly in the top 25. If we played in any other conference we would be looking at 9-3 or 10-2. The problem is we plan in the SEC and are still going to take a couple bruises this year. Next year we will start about 25 and we will do more bruising than taking bruises.
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8-4 would give us our most wins in 31 years. I like your optimism.
 
Bird Watcher said:
Wow.
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Put down your birdwatcher glasses and watch the real world, birds aren't that interesting.

Wait a minute, I may have spoke too soon, is that a "War Eagle" chasing that little red bird? Wow, look at the fur, er I mean feathers, fly.

Man, that was interesting, too bad it didn't last very long. I can't believe the size of the dentures that eagle spit out, that was a weird looking Cardinal.
 
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AbsoluteCats said:
UL will end up in the 40-50 range...while it is not much the schedule is actually upgraded. They most likely start the season 2-4. Last year alone they lost like 30 out of the 2 deep line-up. while a few of those players have been replace with skill X-fers. The classes that fill most of those positions were ranked around the 50/60 mark. Also, most of those x-fers were dismissed from other teams....increasing the likelihood that if they do start off 2-4 issues will arise. And lets face it this same UL O as last year was bunk without Parker....He was the leading receiver missing 1/2 the season....he's not walking through that tunnel....
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You realize Clemson only returns right now 4 Total Starters on offense and defense and lost their entire 2 deep on their defense front seven...Louisville on the other hand returns 10 out of 14 on their 2 Deep on their Front Seven...doubt we will start 2-4...interesting that SB Nation only has Auburn and Florida State ranked higher than Louisville for schools on the Louisville schedule..also the recruiting classes you talked about were not in the 50 and 60 as you suggested but between 32 to 52 in 2012 to 2015 pretty much with what Missouri and Wisconsin done during the same time period...Wisconsin lost Melvin Gordon who to them what Parker was to Louisville.

Also, even without Parker last year went 5-2 in games he didn't play...
 
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Comebakatz3 said:
Thoughts about Louisville being 22nd?
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ajgcardman said:
About right, "if" they can produce a serviceable oline. If oline is big liability, then maybe anywhere from 40 - 60. Their defense is going to be good, whether you guys accept that yet or not. QB position will be much improved from last season, but only if said QB gets adequate blocking to have a chance to succeed.
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In another thread I opined that any 1-128 ranking that is not "numerically based" was a pretty subjective list after a top 30 or so. While Connoly states: "This isn't a stat projection. It's my own opinion" it is an opinion that is very heavily influenced by statistical analysis (just look at his individual team analysis).

That said this #22 ranking is the highest I have seen for the Cards, either opinion based or numbers based. There are a few "opinion based" rankings tagging the Cards just in or just out of their Top 25 but most of the stat driven rankings place them in the mid-30s. I have consistently maintained that, overall, the 2015 Cards will be similar to the 2014 Cards (i.e., pretty good defense but suspect offense). And the biggest question mark about the offense is the O-line. IMO, it is not a stretch to say the Cards ceiling will be pretty much determined by O-line play.

Peace
 
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The Public Enemy said:
You realize Clemson only returns right now 4 Total Starters on offense and defense and lost their entire 2 deep on their defense front seven...Louisville on the other hand returns 10 out of 14 on their 2 Deep on their Front Seven...doubt we will start 2-4...interesting that SB Nation only has Auburn and Florida State ranked higher than Louisville for schools on the Louisville schedule..also the recruiting classes you talked about were not in the 50 and 60 as you suggested but between 32 to 52 in 2012 to 2015 pretty much with what Missouri and Wisconsin done during the same time period...Wisconsin lost Melvin Gordon who to them what Parker was to Louisville.

Also, even without Parker last year went 5-2 in games he didn't play...
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Rivals based....

UL Clem
2012 42 14
2013 52 14
2014 40 13
2015...not listing the 15 class because they should not really factor in the 2 deep and if they do you are screwed anyway

and that 5-2 included wins against powerhouses...FIU...Murray...Wake...Syracuse....Miami....teams with a combined record of 19-42(not a single team had a winning record)

The real kicker for UL is not the total SOS but the timing early....They start 0-1 vs Auburn then have 7 days to prep for Houston but only 5 days to prep for Clemson....so they will be prepping for Clemson during the Houston. That leaves them VERY vulnerable to the UPSET to an experienced and high scoring Houston team...only to come back and lose to Clemson starting 0-3. With 3 tough games coming down the pipes...@ NC State @ FSU, and BC...and of course they lose the last game of the year...
 
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I was looking at a composite site yesterday. There were a ton of sources listed I had never heard of. Anyway, at least half a dozen had us at 80+ and one had us at 100. SMH, what sort of idiots actually make these lists. Even ranking U.S. 50, there are lots of teams ranked better who would not beat us, period, but I think this list is one of the best I've seen.

Now just win, not to make the top 40, but the top 25. That's a good goal.
 
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AbsoluteCats said:
Rivals based....

UL Clem
2012 42 14
2013 52 14
2014 40 13
2015...not listing the 15 class because they should not really factor in the 2 deep and if they do you are screwed anyway

and that 5-2 included wins against powerhouses...FIU...Murray...Wake...Syracuse....Miami....teams with a combined record of 19-42(not a single team had a winning record)

The real kicker for UL is not the total SOS but the timing early....They start 0-1 vs Auburn then have 7 days to prep for Houston but only 5 days to prep for Clemson....so they will be prepping for Clemson during the Houston. That leaves them VERY vulnerable to the UPSET to an experienced and high scoring Houston team...only to come back and lose to Clemson starting 0-3. With 3 tough games coming down the pipes...@ NC State @ FSU, and BC...and of course they lose the last game of the year...
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Look at Miami Rivals rankings during that time period or Notre Dame as well in your schedule and the fact Miami had 8 NFL Draft picks...also look at Louisville Rivals Rankings during that time period yet the Cardinals still had 14 NFL Draftees I that time period....Recruiting Rankings are nice but schools like Louisville, Missouri and Wisconsin still win games.

FYI Rivals Recruiting Rankings between UofL, Notre Dame and Miami during the time period with Louisville beating both of those teams in 2014.
UL Miami
2010 48 16
2011 29 36
2012 42 9
2013 52 11
2014 40 12

UL Notre Dame
2010 48 14
2011 29 10
2012 42 20
2013 52 3
2014 40 11

Also, Louisville without Parker on the road against Clemson was a last second win for the Tigers...this time it is in Louisville and the Cardinals return much from that game than Clemson and the Tigers with no experience in their 2 Deep on Defense will be coming to Louisville on a short week on the road...Houston is here and they are breaking in a first time rookie coach bringing in a entire new offense.

But in the end the Coaches Poll has Louisville at 32nd...CBS has Louisville at 25 and SB has Louisville at 22...appears many disagree with your assessment in Coaching and the Nation Media.
 
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The Public Enemy said:
Look at Miami Rivals rankings during that time period or Notre Dame as well in your schedule and the fact Miami had 8 NFL Draft picks...also look at Louisville Rivals Rankings during that time period yet the Cardinals still had 14 NFL Draftees I that time period....Recruiting Rankings are nice but schools like Louisville, Missouri and Wisconsin still win games.

FYI Rivals Recruiting Rankings between UofL, Notre Dame and Miami during the time period with Louisville beating both of those teams in 2014.
UL Miami
2010 48 16
2011 29 36
2012 42 9
2013 52 11
2014 40 12

UL Notre Dame
2010 48 14
2011 29 10
2012 42 20
2013 52 3
2014 40 11

Also, Louisville without Parker on the road against Clemson was a last second win for the Tigers...this time it is in Louisville and the Cardinals return much from that game than Clemson and the Tigers with no experience in their 2 Deep on Defense will be coming to Louisville on a short week on the road...Houston is here and they are breaking in a first time rookie coach bringing in a entire new offense.

But in the end the Coaches Poll has Louisville at 32nd...CBS has Louisville at 25 and SB has Louisville at 22...appears many disagree with your assessment in Coaching and the Nation Media.
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Pretty simple....UL was "winning" games with a SOS of 60, 70, 103, 45....pretty easy to create an ILLUSION of sustained quality when you play crap teams. The point is simple Miami has been a train wreck for years now....Notre Dame lost to 5-7 Northwestern @ home the week before UL beat them...quality. UL has had a MASSIVE loss of talent and they were replaced with a lower class of player. Clemson replaced the loss of talent with equally as good players...

UL without Parker STILL LOST to Clemson and they have better players than UL....Remember Clemson played without its QB. Yes Clemson has a short week but they play Appy St....where as UL has a quality Houston team. Also the UL O sucked last year without Parker and will be worse this season, so Clemson's D might not be an issue. The Clemson O returns most everyone and is healthy...so lets see how the UL D deals with the Clemson O.
 
DeShawn Watson played in that game for a quarter and a half and the Clemson Offense when he was in that game had 5 Total yards..Louisville was without Parker and Dyer on the road and can make a great argument Petrino choked...my point with the Recruiting classes is that it is not the end all be all....Look at the SEC East...according to Rivals they recruited virtually the same as Louisville.

Fact is this with recruiting classes in the 30 Louisville has put in 4 NFL 1st Rounders and 14 draft picks in the last 2 years and the Coaches and Media has Louisville in the Top 35 in the Nation...it is what it is
 
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AbsoluteCats said:
Pretty simple....UL was "winning" games with a SOS of 60, 70, 103, 45....pretty easy to create an ILLUSION of sustained quality when you play crap teams. The point is simple Miami has been a train wreck for years now....Notre Dame lost to 5-7 Northwestern @ home the week before UL beat them...quality. UL has had a MASSIVE loss of talent and they were replaced with a lower class of player. Clemson replaced the loss of talent with equally as good players...

UL without Parker STILL LOST to Clemson and they have better players than UL....Remember Clemson played without its QB. Yes Clemson has a short week but they play Appy St....where as UL has a quality Houston team. Also the UL O sucked last year without Parker and will be worse this season, so Clemson's D might not be an issue. The Clemson O returns most everyone and is healthy...so lets see how the UL D deals with the Clemson O.
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Do you know Clemson roster....they return only 1 starter on their OL...their best OL had to declare for the NFL Supplemental draft in June and they just lost their only returning DB to injury for the year...they have 3 Total Starters returning from 2014 currently.
 
The Public Enemy said:
DeShawn Watson played in that game for a quarter and a half...Louisville was without Parker and Dyer on the road and can make a great argument Petrino choked.

Fact is this with recruiting classes in the 30 Louisville has put in 4 NFL 1st Rounders and 14 draft picks in the last 2 years and the Coaches and Media has Louisville in the Top 35 in the Nation...it is what it is
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Watson threw 6 of 40 passes for Clemson....and in the end he's back Parker and Dyer are not.

How many of those draft picks came out of that one TB class?? Most every one of them and that class is all gone.
 
AbsoluteCats said:
Watson threw 6 of 40 passes for Clemson....and in the end he's back Parker and Dyer are not.

How many of those draft picks came out of that one TB class?? Most every one of them and that class is all gone.
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The 29th Class in the Nation...also, you know Watson tore ACL and had ACL Surgery in January...Keith Kelsey, James Burgess, Sheldon Rankins, JHC and yes DaVonte Fields are all considered extremely likely NFL Draftees currently on the Louisville roster
 
The Public Enemy said:
Do you know Clemson roster....they return only 1 starter on their OL...their best OL had to declare for the NFL Supplemental draft in June and they just lost their only returning DB to injury for the year...they have 3 Total Starters returning from 2014 currently.
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Yes and all of those kids are replaced with players who were part of top 10 classes....3/4/5 star players...UL replaced with kids that have offers from temple. Clemson reloads...UL does not....
 
The Public Enemy said:
The 29th Class in the Nation...also, you know Watson tore ACL and had ACL Surgery in January...Keith Kelsey, James Burgess, Sheldon Rankins, JHC and yes DaVonte Fields are all considered extremely likely NFL Draftees currently on the Louisville roster
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Ahh yes the dismissed criminal transfers....

and you have not been close to 29 since then....
 
Louisville wins....much like the defending SEC East Champion Missouri:

Missouri Rivals Recruiting:

2011 48th
2012 31st
2013 41st
2014 34th

Much lower than Florida, Georgia, South Carolina and Tennessee....just call us the Missouri of the ACC
 
The Public Enemy said:
Do you know Clemson roster....they return only 1 starter on their OL...their best OL had to declare for the NFL Supplemental draft in June and they just lost their only returning DB to injury for the year...they have 3 Total Starters returning from 2014 currently.
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Clemson does reload with talent as they have recruited at a very high level for a while now. However, Clemson is one program that seems to do less with more than just about anybody. They will return lots of talent but they always have talent. I think if UL wins a game they are not supposed to win it's Clemson. I know Clemson has been picked to win the division by several media outlets but I just can bring myself to believe they are going to be that much better. UL is very unlikely to walk out of Tallahassee with a win. NC State is a tough game on the road but I expect the Cards to win. Pitt could suprise this year but they are on the 8th coach in three years. UL could waltz right into the ACC championship game with one loss in conference and a couple of losses by FSU.
 
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Kattopper said:
Clemson does reload with talent as they have recruited at a very high level for a while now. However, Clemson is one program that seems to do less with more than just about anybody. They will return lots of talent but they always have talent. I think if UL wins a game they are not supposed to win it's Clemson. I know Clemson has been picked to win the division by several media outlets but I just can bring myself to believe they are going to be that much better. UL is very unlikely to walk out of Tallahassee with a win. NC State is a tough game on the road but I expect the Cards to win. Pitt could suprise this year but they are on the 8th coach in three years. UL could waltz right into the ACC championship game with one loss in conference and a couple of losses by FSU.
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Very good and well thought out assessment and I pretty much agree with you
 
Kattopper said:
Clemson does reload with talent as they have recruited at a very high level for a while now. However, Clemson is one program that seems to do less with more than just about anybody. They will return lots of talent but they always have talent. I think if UL wins a game they are not supposed to win it's Clemson. I know Clemson has been picked to win the division by several media outlets but I just can bring myself to believe they are going to be that much better. UL is very unlikely to walk out of Tallahassee with a win. NC State is a tough game on the road but I expect the Cards to win. Pitt could suprise this year but they are on the 8th coach in three years. UL could waltz right into the ACC championship game with one loss in conference and a couple of losses by FSU.
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One problem...Clemson who does less with more...still beat UL last year with a back up QB. UL also ALWYAS (VA, UCF, Cuse, UConn) loses a game its not supposed to....so you need to take that into consideration. UL could waltz into the ACC championship and has the same chance of putting up a 5-7 season. The one thing going for the Cards is they have the pre-season SOS of 50. http://www.fbschedules.com/2015/03/2015-college-football-strength-of-schedule-ncaa-method/
 
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