Say we get Brown, what is Cal's rotation?

[rabidcatfan]

Cal has, historically, only played about 7 or 8 guys the majority of minutes. If we land Brown, that gives us 10 guys that could legitimately see PT next season.

The starting lineup would, of course, most likely be Ulis, Briscoe, Brown, Poythress, and Labissierre. That leaves Lee, Matthews, Mulder, Willis, and Hawkins on the bench.

My guess is that Lee and Mulder come in as the #6 and #7 guys off the bench, then either Willis or Matthews will end up being the 8th guy off the bench (my guess is that it'll be Willis). That would leave Matthews and Hawkins as our 9th and 10th guys.

Of course, if we don't manage to get Brown, that would shake things up drastically I think. I think that not landing Brown would mean Matthews goes from being our 9th guy to a starter (as crazy as that sounds). I really think that the starting lineup would then be Ulis, Briscoe, Matthews, Poythress, and Labissierre with Lee, Mulder, and Willis maintianing the #6-#8 spots.

What do you guys think?

 

[RondoBaller21]

Ulis
Briscoe
Brown
Poythress
Labisiere

Lee
Matthews
Mulder
Hawkins

 

[jrpross]

If we get Brown, I agree. If we don't, it could be Matthews or Mulder at the 3. Depends if we want a more offensive or defensive lineup I guess. Haven't seen enough of either to make a judgement. Whatever happens, hopefully Alex can stick to the 4 spot.

 

[Wildcats4ever2007]

I'm still hoping we get Brown and Murray for it to look like this...

PG-Ulis
SG- Murray
SF- Brown
PF- Poythress
C- Skal

Bench

Briscoe
Lee
Mulder

Reserves

Matthews
Hawkins
Willis

Briscoe- First guard off the bench for either Ulis, Murray, or Brown still getting around 25 mpg with Mulder getting around 10-15 mpg depending on match up with Matthews and Hawkins getting spot minutes based on flow of game and foul trouble.

And then you have the rotation of Poythress, Lee, & Skal at the 4 & 5 spot with Brown maybe getting some run at the 4 spot when we go small much like what Winslow did at Duke.

This would give us a primary rotation of 7-8 really good players getting the majority of the minutes with Willis, Matthews, & Hawkins available to provide minutes and depth when needed.

 

[CatPhight]

Pure speculation at this point - depends on the level of commitment for some.

Guessing it would look something like:

Ulis - 32 mpg
Briscoe - 30 mpg
Brown - 35 mpg
Poythress - 31 mpg
Labisiere - 34 mpg

Hawkins - 8 mpg
Mulder - 8 mpg
Matthews - 7 mpg
Willis - 6 mpg
Lee - 9 mpg

 

[dckala2]

Ulis - 32 mpg
Briscoe - 30 mpg
Brown - 35 mpg
Poythress - 31 mpg
Labisiere - 34 mpg

mighty fine right there. anyone know browns timeline? he'd complete the squad and then Cal can move on to next year.

 

[reignof cats]

I'm still hoping we get Brown and Murray for it to look like this...

PG-Ulis
SG- Murray
SF- Brown
PF- Poythress
C- Skal

Bench

Briscoe
Lee
Mulder

Reserves

Matthews
Hawkins
Willis

Briscoe- First guard off the bench for either Ulis, Murray, or Brown still getting around 25 mpg with Mulder getting around 10-15 mpg depending on match up with Matthews and Hawkins getting spot minutes based on flow of game and foul trouble.

And then you have the rotation of Poythress, Lee, & Skal at the 4 & 5 spot with Brown maybe getting some run at the 4 spot when we go small much like what Winslow did at Duke.

This would give us a primary rotation of 7-8 really good players getting the majority of the minutes with Willis, Matthews, & Hawkins available to provide minutes and depth when needed.

If we get Brown and Murray, IMO this is our best lineup

1. Tyler
2. Briscoe
3. Murray
4. Brown
5. Skal

I could live with the above lineup but imo Briscoe is better than AP. GBB

 

[RondoBaller21]

Pure speculation at this point - depends on the level of commitment for some.

Guessing it would look something like:

Ulis - 32 mpg
Briscoe - 30 mpg
Brown - 35 mpg
Poythress - 31 mpg
Labisiere - 34 mpg

Hawkins - 8 mpg
Mulder - 8 mpg
Matthews - 7 mpg
Willis - 6 mpg
Lee - 9 mpg

Lee will play way more than 9 mpg, c'mon dude

 

[Tampa_cat54]

Pure speculation at this point - depends on the level of commitment for some.

Guessing it would look something like:

Ulis - 32 mpg
Briscoe - 30 mpg
Brown - 35 mpg
Poythress - 31 mpg
Labisiere - 34 mpg

Hawkins - 8 mpg
Mulder - 8 mpg
Matthews - 7 mpg
Willis - 6 mpg
Lee - 9 mpg

Lee will be getting WAY, and I mean WAY more than 9 mpg.

Cal has pretty much already said that.

Lee will be closer to 25 MPG I'd guess.

Poythress will get SOME run at the 3 spot.

And we won't be playing a 10 man rotation again this season.

Hawkins won't play at all if we already have Ulis, Briscoe, Matthews and Mulder in the rotation, we do not need 5 guys playing 2 spots.

Doubt Willis would get much run either if Brown, Poythress and Lee are holding down the 3/4 spots, and Mulder would get minutes at the 3 before Willis does.

So take off your minutes from Hawkins and Willis and give them to Lee.

THAT would be much more likely.

It would give us an 8 man rotation (which Cal prefers) with 3 big guys, 3 very solid wings, and 2 great PGs.

 

[NCukcat62]

Pure speculation at this point - depends on the level of commitment for some.

Guessing it would look something like:

Ulis - 32 mpg
Briscoe - 30 mpg
Brown - 35 mpg
Poythress - 31 mpg
Labisiere - 34 mpg

Hawkins - 8 mpg
Mulder - 8 mpg
Matthews - 7 mpg
Willis - 6 mpg
Lee - 9 mpg

Wholeheartedly disagree. Mulder and lee would get +10 minutes a game. Hawkins and willis would be around 5. your opininion on Matthews would be around that mark though.

 

[Wildcats4ever2007]

If we get Brown and Murray, IMO this is our best lineup

1. Tyler
2. Briscoe
3. Murray
4. Brown
5. Skal

I could live with the above lineup but imo Briscoe is better than AP. GBB

I agree, but if we are to get Murray it will be because we sold him playing the "2" and sharing the PG duties with Ulis much like Wall/Bledsoe. It will be tough to get him here with the idea of him having to play the 3. Plus I like the idea, of being able to bring a guy like Briscoe off the bench for either the 1,2, or 3 spot

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Mulder 8 minutes a game? He should decommit and go somewhere else if that is all he gets as a Junior. The guy is better than that one poster thinks...IMO.

 

[CatPhight]

Lee will be getting WAY, and I mean WAY more than 9 mpg.

Cal has pretty much already said that.

Lee will be closer to 25 MPG I'd guess.

Poythress will get SOME run at the 3 spot.

And we won't be playing a 10 man rotation again this season.

Hawkins won't play at all if we already have Ulis, Briscoe, Matthews and Mulder in the rotation, we do not need 5 guys playing 2 spots.

Doubt Willis would get much run either if Brown, Poythress and Lee are holding down the 3/4 spots, and Mulder would get minutes at the 3 before Willis does.

So take off your minutes from Hawkins and Willis and give them to Lee.

THAT would be much more likely.

Lee is going to need to improve big time if he's going to take those kind of minutes from Labisiere. He needs to be able to fight thru a pick and roll, create a shot of some sort and knock down a damn free throw. Fact is, right now he can't do any of those things well, plus was benched countless times last year for becoming hopelessly lost on the defensive end.

Hawk is a guard, why in the wide world of sports would a guard give up any minutes to PF/C who is arguably the least talented ball handler on the roster?

There are going to be times where minutes are earned due to foul trouble and mop-up minutes. Like I said, a lot depends on how much kids work in the off-season and no one knows for sure.

 

[CatPhight]

Mulder 8 minutes a game? He should decommit and go somewhere else if that is all he gets as a Junior. The guy is better than that one poster thinks...IMO.

If Brown commits, he's going to get a lions share of minutes and the three guard set plan goes out the window. Who are you going to take guard minutes from? The most talented are clearly Ullis and Briscoe.

If Brown doesn't come here then it's back to a 3 guard set and his minutes are doubled.

 

[Tampa_cat54]

Lee is going to need to improve big time if he's going to take those kind of minutes from Labisiere. He needs to be able to fight thru a pick and roll, create a shot of some sort and knock down a damn free throw. Fact is, right now he can't do any of those things well, plus was benched countless times last year for becoming hopelessly lost on the defensive end.

Hawk is a guard, why in the wide world of sports would a guard give up any minutes to PF/C who is arguably the least talented ball handler on the roster?

There are going to be times where minutes are earned due to foul trouble and mop-up minutes. Like I said, a lot depends on how much kids work in the off-season and no one knows for sure.

Did you read my post? We DO NOT need 5 guards getting minutes at 2 spots.

If you don't think Lee can get any minutes from Skal or Poy in a SUPER thin front court (those are literally are only 3 front court players)

What makes you think Hawkins can somehow magically get minutes in a backcourt over Ulis, Briscoe, Mulder and Matthews?

Skal and Lee are our ONLY true bigs on the roster. What happens if Skal picks up 2 fouls in the opening 5 minutes?

Or Brown gets in foul trouble and Poy has to move to the 3 for a little bit.

Lee will get minutes, simply because HE HAS TO. There are NO other options in the front court.

Hawkins will literally be the LAST resort in a backcourt that is pretty loaded

 

[CatPhight]

Did you read my post? We DO NOT need 5 guards getting minutes at 2 spots.

If you don't think Lee can get any minutes from Skal or Poy in a SUPER thin front court (those are literally are only 3 front court players)

What makes you think Hawkins can somehow magically get minutes in a backcourt over Ulis, Briscoe, Mulder and Matthews?

Skal and Lee are our ONLY true bigs on the roster. What happens if Skal picks up 2 fouls in the opening 5 minutes?

Or Brown gets in foul trouble and Poy has to move to the 3 for a little bit.

Lee will get minutes, simply because HE HAS TO. There are NO other options in the front court.

Hawkins will literally be the LAST resort in a backcourt that is pretty loaded

If Lee sells out and makes improvements in the off season, he will see more minutes - if he comes back as the player Cal said "I can't play you" and saw decreased minutes as the season progressed, then it is what it is.

AGAIN - how do you give guards minutes to a PF. I notice you didn't address that one.

Lets see your roster minutes - you talk a game but haven't posted anything other than a PMS rant.

 

[EliteBlue]

Mulder will be on the floor anytime one of the 1-3 is on the bench. That's more than 9 minutes a game.

There will be some games Poy and Skal avoid foul trouble and Lee gets around 10-14 (6ish at the 4&5). Then there will be games where one of our bigs gets 2 fouls in the 1st half and Lee will play closer to 18-22 min. It'll be those same games that Willis goes from 2-4 minutes to about 8-10.

 

[CATS1945]

When will Jaylon Brown make his decision

 

[Tampa_cat54]

If Lee sells out and makes improvements in the off season, he will see more minutes - if he comes back as the player Cal said "I can't play you" and saw decreased minutes as the season progressed, then it is what it is.

AGAIN - how do you give guards minutes to a PF. I notice you didn't address that one.

Lets see your roster minutes - you talk a game but haven't posted anything other than a PMS rant.

Easy, you simply DONT give him any minutes.

Ulis - 32 mpg
Briscoe - 30 mpg
Brown - 34 mpg
Poythress - 30 mpg
Labisiere - 34 mpg

Lee - 25 mpg
Mulder - 8 mpg
Matthews - 8 mpg
Willis - 0 mpg
Hawkins - 0 mpg

Brown will occasionally move up to the 2 (for a 2-3 minute stretch in a game). Poythress will occasionally move up to the 3.

Problem solved.

Cal does not want a 10 man rotation again, he's already said so. And so how ANYONE thinks Willis and Hawkins will consistently be in the rotation is beyond me.

 

[EliteBlue]

@Tampa_cat54 Completely agree other than I think you have to bump Mulders minutes up to 15ish. He'll get run at the 1-3. (Slide Briscoe to the 1 and he's play the 2). There's easily 13-15 minutes a game without foul trouble between the 3 positions.

Hawk sees the floor limited (3-5 min) if and only if Ulis get in foul trouble. Same for Willis is a 3,4,5 gets in foul trouble. You do some roster shuffling to land him 5-7 min.

 

[StubbornPenny]

PG - Ulis (30)/Briscoe (10)Hawkins (sparingly)
SG - Briscoe (20)/Mulder (10)/Matthews (10)
SF - Brown (30)/Matthews (5)/Poythress (5)/Willis (sparingly)
PF - Poythress (25)/Lee (15)
C - Skal (35)/Lee (5)

This way Matthews gets maximum run. I think Cal will shift Poy to the 3 sometimes, over Willis, and I am not a huge fan of Poy at the 3. There'd be pressure on Brown to be a scorer, but that's ok. Thin at C... But honestly I think Poy would make a better 5 than 3.

Edit: added minutes

 

[rabidcatfan]

If we get Brown and Murray, IMO this is our best lineup

1. Tyler
2. Briscoe
3. Murray
4. Brown
5. Skal

I could live with the above lineup but imo Briscoe is better than AP. GBB

Would love that lineup from an offensive point, but I'm not sure that lineup would be very good defensively. Having a 6-6 guy at the 4 spot would worry me a bit. (average height of 6'-4"). We'd definitely get beat up by bigger and more physical teams, but we'd be a good shooting team and would probably average 85ppg+, but our opponents would probably average 77ppg+.

 

[CatPhight]

Easy, you simply DONT give him any minutes.

Ulis - 32 mpg
Briscoe - 30 mpg
Brown - 34 mpg
Poythress - 30 mpg
Labisiere - 34 mpg

Lee - 25 mpg
Mulder - 8 mpg
Matthews - 8 mpg
Willis - 0 mpg
Hawkins - 0 mpg

Brown will occasionally move up to the 2 (for a 2-3 minute stretch in a game). Poythress will occasionally move up to the 3.

Problem solved.

Cal does not want a 10 man rotation again, he's already said so. And so how ANYONE thinks Willis and Hawkins will consistently be in the rotation is beyond me.

Problem solved?

You post exact same starters minutes as I did, except you take 1 minute from Poy and add to Brown. Everything else is exactly the same, is that correct?

How anyone would think getting 6 to 8 minutes a game is in the rotation is beyond me. Do you watch games? Foul trouble, mop up, injuries...anyone who thinks Hawk and Willis wind up with ZERO minutes this season doesn't know what they're talking about. Sure they could see a little less, but not get into games at all? Please, just stop.

Still waiting for the explanation of how a guard gives up minutes to a 5 spot.

 

[PenetrateAndScore]

Murray is way more of a likelihood, I don't know why people are now picking up some assumption that any concrete information has been put out there or reported that has changed his mind and UK is the frontrunner or even his top 2. There's more hard proof, and even statements by himself, about playing at an Adidas school.

I agree that he has a wide open opportunity at his position and it makes sense as it would seem like a perfect fit, but I honestly just don't see it happening

 

[Tampa_cat54]

Problem solved?

You post exact same starters minutes as I did, except you take 1 minute from Poy and add to Brown. Everything else is exactly the same, is that correct?

How anyone would think getting 6 to 8 minutes a game is in the rotation is beyond me. Do you watch games? Foul trouble, mop up, injuries...anyone who thinks Hawk and Willis wind up with ZERO minutes this season doesn't know what they're talking about. Sure they could see a little less, but not get into games at all? Please, just stop.

Still waiting for the explanation of how a guard gives up minutes to a 5 spot.

I LITERALLY JUST EXPLAINED THE MINUTES!

And NO, it is not the same....considering I moved Hawkins and Willis to 0 MPG WHICH WAS MY ARGUMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

And you had Lee playing 9 MPG, I have him playing 25 MPG.

How can you not see the difference in our rotation?

I mean goodness, it isn't rocket science CatPhight.

And no, Hawkins and Willis will not be apart of the regular rotation. And they shouldn't be.

Cal has said he will not play 10 guys...so according to basic math, 2 of the guys from your 10 man rotation have to be eliminated.

So I eliminated Hawkins and Willis.

Again it is NOT rocket science CatPhight.

Out of 80 minutes in the backcourt

32 to Ulis
30 to Briscoe
8 to Mulder
8 to Matthews
2 to Brown

What does that equal??

80 minutes.

Out of 40 minutes at the SF spot

32 to Brown
8 to Poythress

Out of 40 minutes at the PF spot

22 to Poythress
18 to Lee

Out of 40 minutes at the C spot

34 to Skal
6 to Lee

DONE. It's seriously SO simple.

 

[CatPhight]

I LITERALLY JUST EXPLAINED THE MINUTES!

And NO, it is not the same....considering I moved Hawkins and Willis to 0 MPG WHICH WAS MY ARGUMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE!

And you had Lee playing 9 MPG, I have him playing 25 MPG.

How can you not see the difference in our rotation?

I mean goodness, it isn't rocket science CatPhight.

And no, Hawkins and Willis will not be apart of the regular rotation. And they shouldn't be.

Cal has said he will not play 10 guys...so according to basic math, 2 of the guys from your 10 man rotation have to be eliminated.

So I eliminated Hawkins and Willis.

Again it is NOT rocket science CatPhight.

You're right, it's not rocket science. Hawk averaged 7.1 minutes last year in the flipping PLATOON YEAR!!!! Willis almost 4 minutes per game at 3.9.

So, in your infinite wisdom, we have 7 kids leave for the NBA, 3 walk on's graduate, and you award Hawk and Willis - ZERO minutes with a roster tallying 11 players.

You do realize we don't even make it to the Final Four last year if Hawk doesn't come in and shut Stauskas completely down in the 2nd half, right?

Again, do you watch any games outside of X-Box?

 

[KA4Prez]

Crazy comparison if Brown picks UK.

Tyler Ulis = Quinn Cook
Isaiah Briscoe = Tyus Jones
Skal Labissierre = Jahlil Okafor
Jaylen Brown = Justise Winslow
Marcus Lee = Amile Jefferson
Mychal Mulder = Grayson Allen
Charles Matthews = Matt Jones

Throw in Poythress, Hawkins and Willis, you have a team that is built similar to how Duke was last year. Not saying each player is a direct comparison, but it's not crazy.

What IS crazy is people thinking that roster of 10 isn't pretty damn solid and a threat to win a title.

 

[Tampa_cat54]

You're right, it's not rocket science. Hawk averaged 7.1 minutes last year in the flipping PLATOON YEAR!!!! Willis almost 4 minutes per game at 3.9.

So, in your infinite wisdom, we have 7 kids leave for the NBA, 3 walk on's graduate, and you award Hawk and Willis - ZERO minutes with a roster tallying 11 players.

You do realize we don't even make it to the Final Four last year if Hawk doesn't come in and shut Stauskas completely down in the 2nd half, right?

Again, do you watch any games outside of X-Box?

Hahaha you do know that those MPG are only the averages of games they played in, right?

Willis only played in 19 games and Hawkins only in 23, most of those were CLEAN UP MINUTES because we were blowing teams out of the water!!

Your argument is so bad, its unreal.

 

[rabidcatfan]

Crazy comparison if Brown picks UK.

Tyler Ulis = Quinn Cook
Isaiah Briscoe = Tyus Jones
Skal Labissierre = Jahlil Okafor
Jaylen Brown = Justise Winslow
Marcus Lee = Amile Jefferson
Mychal Mulder = Grayson Allen
Charles Matthews = Matt Jones

Throw in Poythress, Hawkins and Willis, you have a team that is built similar to how Duke was last year. Not saying each player is a direct comparison, but it's not crazy.

What IS crazy is people thinking that roster of 10 isn't pretty damn solid and a threat to win a title.

Wow...good comparison.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

To the call saying Hawkins would play if Ulis gets in foul trouble? LOL why? You have this guy named Briscoe, aka the #1 PG in the class that will slide over there. You then put Mulder at the 2.

I think it is pretty obvious that Ulis and Briscoe will play together, but one of them should always be in the game to run the point. Mulder is going to get run at the 2 and the 3 spots, backing up Briscoe and Brown (if by some miracle UK gets him). I think that will be more than 8 minutes worth of action if he can shoot and score as much as some say. I doubt Cal will play Brown 34 per game, do not see any of the starters playing more than 30-ish but that is just me.

 

[Tampa_cat54]

@CatPhight Would Malone, Long, and Floreal also each average 2 MPG on this years team like they did last season?

Wait no...according to you, their minutes will go UP this year.

Come on now, this is too easy.

 

[thecatsareback#8]

You're right, it's not rocket science. Hawk averaged 7.1 minutes last year in the flipping PLATOON YEAR!!!! Willis almost 4 minutes per game at 3.9.

So, in your infinite wisdom, we have 7 kids leave for the NBA, 3 walk on's graduate, and you award Hawk and Willis - ZERO minutes with a roster tallying 11 players.

You do realize we don't even make it to the Final Four last year if Hawk doesn't come in and shut Stauskas completely down in the 2nd half, right?

Again, do you watch any games outside of X-Box?

I haven’t seen Charles Matthews play yet, but from what I hear, he is a 6'5 Liggins. If that’s the case, the use for Hawkins reduces this year.
I think TampaCat knows WIllis and Hawkins aren't going to get 0.0MPG; he is generalizing.
I think Mulder will be first guard off the bench to spell Ulis, Briscoe, or Brown (moved around accordingly) and get around 15 MPG.
Ulis - 30 mpg
Briscoe - 30 mpg
Brown - 33 mpg
Poythress - 28 mpg
Labisiere - 31 mpg
Hawkins - 3 mpg
Mulder - 15 mpg
Matthews 7-mpg
Willis – 2 mpg
Lee -21 mpg

 

[The_Answer1313]

Do we really think Lee could give us 20-25 effective mins each night?

I mean that might be what has to happen, I'm just wondering what others feel.

 

[CatPhight]

Hahaha you do know that those MPG are only the averages of games they played in, right?

Willis only played in 19 games and Hawkins only in 23, most of those were CLEAN UP MINUTES because we were blowing teams out of the water!!

Your argument is so bad, its unreal.

You do realize what I posted in this thread from the start is MPG - you know, as the average minutes per game played in. MPG is the acronym for minutes per game right?

Can you read? If so, go back and read what I posted about foul trouble and mop up minutes. Minutes are minutes, except I guess in your world, but and they all add up to minutes played per game, which is exactly what I posted.

Argument? Seriously? You now sound like a little brother fan now trying to back track and manipulate variables to clean up minutes to support your ZERO minutes for Hawk and Willis.

 

[Tampa_cat54]

Do we really think Lee could give us 20-25 effective mins each night?

I mean that might be what has to happen, I'm just wondering what others feel.

If Josh Harrelson can do it, then Lee can certainly do it

 

[Tampa_cat54]

@CatPhight Would Malone, Long, and Floreal also each average 2 MPG on this years team like they did last season?

Wait no...according to you, their minutes will go UP this year.

Come on now, this is too easy.

@CatPhight Waiting for a response on this...

 

[WildMoon]

If we get Brown and Murray, IMO this is our best lineup

1. Tyler
2. Briscoe
3. Murray
4. Brown
5. Skal

I could live with the above lineup but imo Briscoe is better than AP. GBB

Hrmm, i doubt Brown will get starting position at the 4 over Poythress. Poythress at the 4 has been deadly, and at Bahamas he was the best. It's when he is at 3 that makes him very uncomfortable to his skill sets.

I think it'll be
1. Tyler
2. Murray
3. Brown.
4. Poythress
5. Skal

I see Briscoe and Tyler fighting it out at 1. Murray and Mulder will fight out 2. Mathews and Brown at the 3. Poythress, Lee, and Skal will have some rotation at 4-5. Brown can substitute at the 4 as well.

Lee's skill set right now is a 5, but Skal has midrange skill that is probably similar to AD's. So we can have Lee / Skal play together. I don't see Lee and Poythress playing together so.

 

[KA4Prez]

I'm not sure Lee will ever blossom into the 5-star, impact player people thought he could. However, I have no doubts he will get 20+ MPG. He's too valuable with his length and defensive versatility to ride the pine on next year's team. It makes it tougher to crack the rotation when you have WCS, Towns, Lyles and Dakari for 2 spots.

 

[WildMoon]

I see Lee getting 18 - 20 mpg. Unless he develops a lot of fundamentals, and if it was easy to develop someone's skill within a summer time...then more players would be doing it.

 

[Tampa_cat54]

You do realize what I posted in this thread from the start is MPG - you know, as the average minutes per game played in. MPG is the acronym for minutes per game right?

Can you read? If so, go back and read what I posted about foul trouble and mop up minutes. Minutes are minutes, except I guess in your world, but and they all add up to minutes played per game, which is exactly what I posted.

Argument? Seriously? You now sound like a little brother fan now trying to back track and manipulate variables to clean up minutes to support your ZERO minutes for Hawk and Willis.

Soooo if this was just an honest MPG discussion, why didn't you include Floreal and our new walk we added yesterday into the mix?

I mean, Lanter, Malone, and Long all "got minutes" last year...why wouldn't you include them??

Oh, maybe because this is a REALISTIC discussion on who we ACTUALLY THINK IS GOING TO PLAY.

Cal said he's only playing 8 guys, so I'm choosing to divide the minutes between 8 guys.

If you want to include Willis, Hawkins, and the walk-ons in there too, be my guest, but we both know mine was more accurate of what we're ACTUALLY going to see in meaningful games.