Rondo trending for all the wrong reasons
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Following someone around and yelling "you're a motherf---ing fa--ot" is inappropriate, regardless of the circumstances. Is this being overblown? Maybe, but it was a stupid thing for him to do, even if he wasn't aware at the time that the ref was gay.
Rondo knew the guy is gay. He was outed in Boston radio station when Rondo was with the Celtics. RR made it a point to chase down the ref who ejected him and yell these things.
The f bomb is an extremely derogatory term, much like n bombs and c bombs. I don't care if you used it with your straight friends growing up, it's a demeaning label, especially in this situation. It's not being 'politically correct' when admonishing a representative of your organization when they use this term in a derogatory way, it's just doing the right thing.
Rondo is 100% in the wrong in this situation. Even if Rondo didn't know Kennedy is gay, he's in the wrong. Not sure why anyone is making excuses for him.
The f bomb is an extremely derogatory term, much like n bombs and c bombs. I don't care if you used it with your straight friends growing up, it's a demeaning label, especially in this situation. It's not being 'politically correct' when admonishing a representative of your organization when they use this term in a derogatory way, it's just doing the right thing.
Rondo is 100% in the wrong in this situation. Even if Rondo didn't know Kennedy is gay, he's in the wrong. Not sure why anyone is making excuses for him.
Edit: This is to make it clear that I haven't seen anything unreasonable in the ref's response - this is about a bigger societal conflict where certain communities take stuff out of the caveman sports community and examine it out of context.
The ref himself was totally reasonable from what I see - but the progressive and LGBT communities are incredibly likely to run with this and make it into something besides ugly name calling during a game.
Straight guys say awful stuff to each other all the time.
Women (and many in the gay world, progressive sphere) don't seem to relate to this.
Go to a forum where only women congregate or only gay guys - they sit around and tell each other how beautiful, smart, etc, the other one is - and if there's even a slight conflict, they must have it resolved immediately and come to a consensus or at least some kind of peace pact, or the board will go off the deep end. Any unresolved animosity and giving each other crap that you see on any given day on a male forum would be immediate grounds for banning, because it disrupts the "collective good".
And that's fine. Good for them. It would be bad form for one of us to go over there and screw that up by being confrontational.
Similarly, it would be bad form for them to come over here and try to berate us for saying things that are offensive to them (the #1 pastime of SJWs on the internet).
A great example is BKO. She comes on and hangs out with the guys, has her perspective, and doesn't try to mommy guys - she rolls with the local custom and she's treated like family.
So if you call a ref an awful name, you deserve to get the T. Go ahead - kick Rondo out, he's being a huge dick. But turning it into a big political issue is an invasion of the spirit of competitive sports.
Same reason why guys don't get arrested for getting in brawls after the whistle. Off the court, that's an assault charge.
But on the court, testosterone is high, these guys are locked in, and it would be crappy of us to center a huge part of our culture around wanting to see these fiery competitors go at each others' throats with 110% effort and then give them jail time if it boils over into a punch once in a while (assuming no grievous injury).
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As for the alpha/beta male thing, that's a gross binary oversimplification of a phenomenon that obviously has a real world analogue.
Nobody here thinks that all guys are equally assertive - and nobody on here with an ounce of rationality would deny that being too passive as a male more often than not dampens one's dating prospects.
When you talk about children and passing on genes, though, you're making an argument that does not apply to 2015.
A cocky, ambitious guy isn't dramatically more likely to have offspring than a pipsqueak nowadays, because we live in a healthy first-world country, where there are partners available for pretty much everybody - we do have a poverty gap, but not the old plebian-aristocrat system where a woman might choose between being in a harem for a noble and living in luxury versus eating one meal a day and dying at 37 in a dirty hut as the wife of a poor man. No longer is physical fitness anything other than a token of sexuality - you can't physically fight rival suitors off and take your mate.
So yes, the playing field for marrying is very much leveled now.
Now, how good looking will she be? That's a different question, and on average is still very much inversely correlated to how passive you are.
Nobody here thinks that all guys are equally assertive - and nobody on here with an ounce of rationality would deny that being too passive as a male more often than not dampens one's dating prospects.
When you talk about children and passing on genes, though, you're making an argument that does not apply to 2015.
A cocky, ambitious guy isn't dramatically more likely to have offspring than a pipsqueak nowadays, because we live in a healthy first-world country, where there are partners available for pretty much everybody - we do have a poverty gap, but not the old plebian-aristocrat system where a woman might choose between being in a harem for a noble and living in luxury versus eating one meal a day and dying at 37 in a dirty hut as the wife of a poor man. No longer is physical fitness anything other than a token of sexuality - you can't physically fight rival suitors off and take your mate.
So yes, the playing field for marrying is very much leveled now.
Now, how good looking will she be? That's a different question, and on average is still very much inversely correlated to how passive you are.
I totally agree that it was a cruel thing to say. And the ref shouldn't have to put up with it - and he didn't any longer, Rondo was outta there.
But there's nothing courageous to talk about here. Nothing is courageous anymore because everything is courageous. A suburban white girl, as privileged as anyone who has ever lived on this earth, decides to wake up in the morning and make herself a piece of toast, finds out she ran out of jam, decides to eat the toast anyways.
Newspaper reporters on the scene immediately to tell the tale of how courageous an act it was.
That word is quickly losing its meaning - it's basically a proxy for "any action performed by a member of (insert demographic here)".
This is a joke, right?
Are you saying that spouting hateful and bigoted things in the heat of the moment should just be chalked up as 'Dudes being dudes'?
To imply that Kennedy is being 'thin skinned' for coming out after receiving derogatory slurs is laughable and, quite frankly, embarrassing.
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Clearly you didn't read all of my post.
First, I'm not a Rondo fan. Goes back to his days and him thinking he's the smartest guy in the room at UK. Covered him at his camps where he was a jerk to the media. His constant problems with coaches, teammates all show he's a self centered jackass.
However, I think the NBA and the ref is using it as a platform to show their stance on a hot button issue. It's no coincidence the ref just decided to come out following this incident. Look, I don't condone what Rondo said or did but sit on the floor during an NBA game and you'll hear similar things mouthed between the players, refs. Things have been said for years much worse and I just don't think Rondo went after him like it was a attack on a gay person. I think Rondo lost his cool, like he has so many times before, and went off with insults he would use if the guy was gay or not. Just my thought on it.
Why did you quote that part? Do you disagree with that assessment of male bubbles vs female bubbles in general? This is important, because I need to understand if you're an SJW (not even willing to have a rational conversation about biology) or just a reasonable, concerned guy who doesn't want to see people running around throwing cruel slurs at each other.
As an aside, note what I was not saying. I was not saying that the ref shouldn't have been mad, shouldn't have defended himself, shouldn't have told him to shut the hell up, or should've just locked up and refused to talk about it for Rondo's sake.
I'm just saying that this may well turn into another one of those national stories for political reasons, whereas issuing a death threat or something along those lines would likely register on a lower level, which is positively insane.
At the end of the day, it's name calling. It's a really, really nasty name, but it's name calling. And we live in a culture where sociology professors across the west actively bandy about the notion of curtailing the first amendment, and propagate notions like that words can be as bad as actual rape and assault.
Is it good, right, respectful? No. Should the NBA or the Kings, as his employers, be forced to put up with him representing them in this way? No. Should the ref keep his mouth shut when he hears comments like that? Of course not.
But you're acting like he starting beating the guy up, or said he'd be waiting for him in the parking lot, or said he hoped his child died in their sleep. He just called him a really nasty name.
Yes, there are plenty of bigots around, but justice should always be about proportional response. The social justice types in the West don't have it. How are we supposed to have an honest conversation about privilege and oppression and bigotry that still exists with the type of people who equate a guy on the street telling a girl she's beautiful with someone grabbing her ass? You can't.
So if you're not an SJW and I totally misjudged you, that's fine. But again, unless you agree with trying players for assault after a scrap in a game, then you understand the phenomenon I'm talking about, and simply fail to keep proportion for an issue that is more politically near to your heart.
Rondo is the bad guy here, and he should've been suspended. And the ref's response seemed pretty reasonable to me - my concern is much more with society at large.
You're correct, in that the hot button issue in this instance is that gay people employed by the NBA don't enjoy being derided by the offensive term of 'mutherf$%&-ing f@$got'.
If this happened at my, and your, places of business, the offender would be shown the door.
Rondo's always been a worthless POS. If you can't admit that than you're just blinded by the fact that he played here for 2 years.
Also, note my edit of my original post. I clarified some of the language, because it looked like I was talking about the ref's response.
I wasn't at all. He reacted like a pro, far as I can tell.
I'm talking about the portion of our society whose villification of people has nothing to do with what their actual actions were, just which group it was directed towards.
In other words, the outrage level for certain people goes like this:
Ray Rice (assaulted a woman) > Michael Vick (fought dogs) > Rajon Rondo (slur at the ref) > Aaron Hernandez (murdered a male)
I am arguing that these people are largely unstable and do add much to national conversations about important issues, any more than the meatheads who couldn't shut up about deflategate but were unmoved by the Ray Rice issue.
I quoted that part because it's ridiculous, and you said it.
Yep, I am disagreeing with that. And I'm laughing at the fact that you have an idea of what occurs on "all female" or "all gay" forums. And I'm laughing at the fact that you're implying that the NBA's condemnation of Rondo's anti-gay slur is akin to gay people coming to our forum to tell us how to run things.
There were other things that can be addressed, but I focused on the most absurd point.
If Rondo raped or assaulted the guy, I will be asking for his incarceration. In this instance, I support his suspension and condemnation by his employer. No more, no less.
I support the NBA and Kings response to Rondo's outburst. It's obviously a little more than just backyard name calling. RR chased down a guy and called him a 'mf-ing fa$%0t', who he most likely knew is gay.
Like I said, someone would get fired at your workplace and mine if they did the same thing.
No, it doesn't, it's just discussed more because there is more debate to the issue. Everyone is outraged at Hernandez's action, is there any debate to that? You're just confused on the attention given grey matters vs black and white.
Please show where I acted like this was physical abuse. Thank you in advance.
Is it OK for a white or hispanic athlete to call a black athlete the N word? Using your logic, it would be.
100% correct. This isn't "political correctness", you Rondo can believe whatever he wants to believe, but you can't just call a coworker or colleague anything you like and not have consequences.
Charlton Heston was an Alpha male, idgaf how many kids any of y'alls dads had.
This issue is stupid. If you want to define yourself by your sexuality, feel free. But the majority simply don't care. The media makes it seem that way.
Way worse things said on the field. To those that don't like it, keep your PC crap where it belongs, in your freshman ethics class.
Way worse things said on the field. To those that don't like it, keep your PC crap where it belongs, in your freshman ethics class.
This guy didn't "just" come out after Rondo's slurs. He was outed by Tim Donaghy in his book nearly 5 years ago. It has also been brought up on Boston radio. RR was completely aware as it was common NBA knowledge.
The word courage has lost a lot of meaning to me after watching someone who cut their nut sack off win a 'courage award'.
I followed the link to the essay in Psychology Today. It seems that alpha males are supposed to be tall and handsome. Someone else told me to tell Cal that I didn't think alpha males existed. And I'm pretty sure that the team's alpha male is 5'9" tall. Confusion everywhere.
Mom said Dad was 5'6". His draft card said 5'5". And in pictures, he was about 5'3". But to Mom he looked like Tyrone Power and when he proposed in a letter from Munich in the summer of 1945, she said yes.
As for the number of kids, who asked you to care? You can admire/follow anybody you want. But we can't agree what constitutes alpha-ness, what it's benefits are, how long it lasts, where it goes when it's gone, or if anyone should worry about whether the guy at the next table is alpha, beta, gamma, or riboflavin. To me, it sounds a little bit like becoming a Kentucky Colonel.
Wow. So much ignorance in that statement. I'm not going to get into it much, but SHE definitely deserved that courage award. People get killed just for being transgender. Also, suicide rate is much higher than the average person due to families shunning them just for being transgender and how it is less accepted in society than being gay and provide incredible troubles in life just because of bigots like you
Jenner says he identifies as a female, isn't homosexual, and all of his sexual relations have been heterosexual. Which, if Jenner were female, would have been with men.
I quit trying to understand sexuality. Particularly other people's sexuality. As Ike said, "I don't know much about art, but I know what I like."
I wonder if Ike would have used a capital "a" there.
The things your kind are doing to society is sick. Its disgusting.
The real world is not all PC and kum-ba-ya no matter how much a few 24/7 victims want you to think it is. Oh goodness! Somebody called someone a name??? How can we ever go on??? We're gonna need a safe space from evil nogoodniks like Rajon Rondo!
If you think this is the worst language you can hear on a basketball court, let alone in other settings... then, you're living in a fantasy world.
If you think this is the worst language you can hear on a basketball court, let alone in other settings... then, you're living in a fantasy world.
I find the fact that one game he makes 86k more offensive than what he said.
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