Roger Ayers

[bbncal02]

This above. Can refs influence a game…sure. But great teams still find a way to win. FTs and open threes didn’t fall. We got beat by the home team. We move on…

See the problem with that statement is we HAD a great team in 2017 and got reamed by a ref. So, excuse us for being a little sensitive on the subject since then. You're not going to get too much agreement from most of BBN. We've seen the ref bias against us.

Sure, refs didn't cost us that particular game on the whole. But they have cost us games before.

 

[bbncal02]

We played like crap and the calls were one sided. Both things can be true. College officiating has tilted to the home team since the start of the game. There's a reason people call it Rape Arena. Cheatum Hall. On the Joe and Denny Show Denny Crump once joked about UK's 1-3-1-3 defense at Rupp. You should hear Duke and UNC fans bitch about the other team's paid off refs.

lol.....Duke and KU fans have NO room to talk.

Rupp is the most visitor friendly place on Earth compared to Cameron or Phog Allen.

 

[Zakk Wyldcat]

Ayers is simply a shitty referee no matter who the teams are, always has been and always will be

 

[Wildcat Sheli]

Here’s a post from another Thread last week. The post discusses winning/losing percentages with 2 of the refs we had last week against WKU.

If you look at the stats for refs who have officiated more than 2 of our games, among active referees there are only a handful where we win 50% or less of the time (Dorsey, Hall, Harris, Kimble, Spaulding and now Ayers). We had 2 of them last week, Kimble (50%) and Dorsey (33.3%). As stated in the initial post, after the Clemson game, we are now at 50% with Ayers. To have 3 of the few with these low winning percentages in a week’s time is interesting and a bit out of the norm.

 

[CRZ4UK]

I said this last year.. the Higgins thing was not good. I loved it, I loved that we got after him.. but ultimately, I think it put us in a bad spot with the officiating crews, who we all know, had Higgins back.

I also don't think the NCAA and College basketball cares much for Kentucky. It's a pretty isolated fanbase to one area (unlike teams like Duke and UNC), it's blue collar in the eyes of higher academia, Kentucky stands in the way of the more lucrative programs (again, Duke and UNC). The NCAA doesn't seem to favor the SEC either, which doesn't help.

Sounds crazy.. but I watch a lot of sports, and I have teams all over the place that I root for.. and I've never seen any team take a beating the way UK does. Never. Not even close. For every 1 game that seems to go our way (usually a team that we're going to beat anyways), we have 8 that go against us.

The biggest reason for that is ESPN and the NCAA. Just like minorities, they hire and protect their own. Both companies are littered with North Carolina, Duke and ACC grads. ESPN almost exclusively hires past ACC commentators. Have you ever seen a UK grad announce for ESPN? They have stuck together, hired their own. Like politicians, they will now protect their own.

 

[AGEE11]

Worst calls of the night both happened late and were set up by the refs letting them play all night.

The moving screen on Amari with 2-3 minutes to go when Clemson hadn't been set for one all night. There two big guy would stick a leg or butt out into someone every time.

The foul on Oweh at the end that wasn't whistled until the shot missed. Yes he rode Hunter's hip and yes it was a foul, but they let worse go on all night and call that in the final minute of a two point game.

The inconsistency is the worst part. Neither of those had been called all game and them bam. Right at critical moments. Its exactly how the NBA ref Donaghy said he used to rig games, let it go all night, call it when its important.

And don't get me started on the token white guy who "hustles hard" and gets nothing called on him. #4 should have had 9 fouls in the first half alone.

Did anyone else notice how many times when we missed a shot the announcers said "its physical out there", "no call", "he wanted a foul", "its a mans game tonight" or something similar to us getting fouled.

 

[crestcat]

The fact you’ve officiated and think that “even free throws means a well reffed and balanced game” says everything. It’s that thinking that causes poorly officiated games.

If one teams strategy is to hack and grab and body check everything and they commit 100 foul opportunities throughout the game and are whistled for 20. And the other team plays a cleaner game only committing 50 foul opportunities and is whistled for 20… and teams shoot similar FTs….that isn’t a consistent/well officiated game. It’s lopsided.

There isn’t a single person that thinks or can argue in good faith that Kentucky was the more physical team or initiated more contact last night. Yet they were called for 20 fouls to Clemson 15. Butler and Oweh who are known for defending without fouling both had early foul trouble and were limited. Clemson shot more 3s than we did so we were just as aggressive at going to the rim.

You can also make fouls look even while controlling the type of fouls called. Shooting fouls vs evening it uk with meaningless non shooting fouls the other way.

You should read “Personal Foul—Tim Donaghy”. (Ref that took the fall for the NBA ref scandal). He goes into how easy it is to make it look even and completely control the spread and outcome. And it’s largely based on exactly what we are speaking about here. The only way to beat it if the fix is in is to get hot at the right time where you blow it open enough that it would have to be obvious to reel it back in. But a back and forth game, it just takes less than 5-10 possessions throughout the length of the game.

Our starters had 16 fouls theirs

The fact you’ve officiated and think that “even free throws means a well reffed and balanced game” says everything. It’s that thinking that causes poorly officiated games.

If one teams strategy is to hack and grab and body check everything and they commit 100 foul opportunities throughout the game and are whistled for 20. And the other team plays a cleaner game only committing 50 foul opportunities and is whistled for 20… and teams shoot similar FTs….that isn’t a consistent/well officiated game. It’s lopsided.

There isn’t a single person that thinks or can argue in good faith that Kentucky was the more physical team or initiated more contact last night. Yet they were called for 20 fouls to Clemson 15. Butler and Oweh who are known for defending without fouling both had early foul trouble and were limited. Clemson shot more 3s than we did so we were just as aggressive at going to the rim.

You can also make fouls look even while controlling the type of fouls called. Shooting fouls vs evening it uk with meaningless non shooting fouls the other way.

You should read “Personal Foul—Tim Donaghy”. (Ref that took the fall for the NBA ref scandal). He goes into how easy it is to make it look even and completely control the spread and outcome. And it’s largely based on exactly what we are speaking about here. The only way to beat it if the fix is in is to get hot at the right time where you blow it open enough that it would have to be obvious to reel it back in. But a back and forth game, it just takes less than 5-10 possessions throughout the length of the game.

Our starters had 16 fouls theirs had 8. That means we have to work around fouls, they don’t. Huge disadvantage.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

The biggest reason for that is ESPN and the NCAA. Just like minorities, they hire and protect their own. Both companies are littered with North Carolina, Duke and ACC grads. ESPN almost exclusively hires past ACC commentators. Have you ever seen a UK grad announce for ESPN? They have stuck together, hired their own. Like politicians, they will now protect their own.

Yep agreed. And they love the Big10. They love their academia programs, because, let's be real.. it's journalism and the news, so it's mostly liberal. Not to get political but it is what it is.

There's a lot of reasons why ESPN/NCAA/Sport Media are not rooting for UK or other SEC schools to do well.

 

[bigbluedon]

Ayers is in the top 5 of the worst refs ever to call a UK game. The others are Jamie Luckie, John Higgins, Doug Shows and tied for fifth are every other ref in the SEC. All are horrific. Luckie is basically a criminal. Wonder how many of our games he has thrown for Vegas. He is a POS.

 

[Catluv]

How did all 3 swallow their whistle on the Clemson guy slamming the ball!!

 

[BigBlueManSouthCentralKY]

How did all 3 swallow their whistle on the Clemson guy slamming the ball!!

Or allow the over the backs all night?

 

[Catman100]

Go back and watch the UofK Duke Lattener stump game. Then watch the Higgins UNC game and you’ll buy.

Duke was well officiated and I don't think there was some bias against UK or Pitino in that game. Maybe Laettner should have been ejected, maybe not. But one of the greatest games in the history of NCAA basketball was not poorly called. Players don't get kicked out today committing worse falls than a foot stomp.

Did Cal get a lot of bad whistles, maybe. But I think that had a lot more to do with him than it did UK.

The Clemson game was a home court whistle. Nothing more, nothing less. UPIKE gets the same whistle in that game that UK did.

 

[Bluegrassking]

He didn't help lol but we DID NOT deserve to win.

Deserve has nothing to do with it.

Different whistles all but certainly would have had different results and we'd "deserve it" more.

 

[AJG-15]

Surprised he didn’t try to rig that game. Guess he doesn’t like UNC as well?

Again, the Uk game was “ rigged” by Covington the most and Russell to a certain degree. Ayers gave us a fair whistle.

Ayers has national aspirations and cares about his legacy so he knows everyone is watching a game like Alabama at UNC.

Covington a different story ….

 

[fisherscatfan]

It amazes me how people act like refs are beyond reproach. They pull from the same pool of humans as all professions.

So a true story that happened with me 20+ years ago. Don’t care if people believe it or not. I participated a meeting with a gentleman who had a group of investors looking to start a de Novo bank. When I got there the gentleman had one of the investors there as well. Once he introduced himself, I knew the name. He was an NCAA official who had done numerous UK games.

After the business part of the meeting wrapped up the usual getting to know each conversation started. I was astonished that this ref openly bragged that he hated Pitino and UK and enjoyed screwing Pitino. I have no idea why he shared other than he wanted to look more important than he was. But it shows that officials come from the same pool as all people and the ref pool gets their share of assholes as well. FYI I was told the regulators would not approve him to be an investor when his application was submitted.

 

[Fox2monk]

Again, the Uk game was “ rigged” by Covington the most and Russell to a certain degree. Ayers gave us a fair whistle.

Ayers has national aspirations and cares about his legacy so he knows everyone is watching a game like Alabama at UNC.

Covington a different story ….

When Roger Ayer’s is supposed to be the “good” ref we have no chance. All I can say.

 

[JRCAT14]

Our starters had 16 fouls theirs

Our starters had 16 fouls theirs had 8. That means we have to work around fouls, they don’t. Huge disadvantage.

If I were a ref. wanting to impact a game, I think calling a couple of early fouls on a couple of starters of team A and then even it up when team B has subs in the game would be a perfect strategy because too many people think a "fairly called" game is when the number of fouls is close.

 

[Midway Cat]

The average number of fouls in a CBB game is around 18. There were 35 called last night. Regardless of who got the calls (20 on us). A fast, run and gun offense needs to develop a flow, a rhythm. Hard to do with constant whistles.

I also thought the officials were taking forever at every dead ball. Noticeably longer delays than in the typical game, especially in the first half.

To the extent we push the pace and wear down our opponents, that slight change likely helped Clemson as well.

 

[runt#69]

Ha. Look at me!

I see a Roger Ayers thread, and I don't even care what it says, but here I dive in ready to give him hell.... Again....

What is it he did this time, again ? 😂

Lord. Be still my heart.

 

[UKnCincy]

The average number of fouls in a CBB game is around 18. There were 35 called last night. Regardless of who got the calls (20 on us). A fast, run and gun offense needs to develop a flow, a rhythm. Hard to do with constant whistles.

That average is the average per team, which would mean that the average total number of fouls called in a game is 36.

We’re averaging 16.3 fouls called against us per game so far this year, but have struggled with fouling lately.

Over our last three games, here’s how many fouls have been called against UK:

• WKU - 20 fouls
• Ga State - 20 fouls
• Clemson - 20 fouls

Noticing a trend here?

 

[Greatestalltime]

Duke was well officiated and I don't think there was some bias against UK or Pitino in that game. Maybe Laettner should have been ejected, maybe not. But one of the greatest games in the history of NCAA basketball was not poorly called. Players don't get kicked out today committing worse falls than a foot stomp.

Did Cal get a lot of bad whistles, maybe. But I think that had a lot more to do with him than it did UK.

The Clemson game was a home court whistle. Nothing more, nothing less. UPIKE gets the same whistle in that game that UK did.

Stomping a chest is a maybe? It’s hard to think you’re a serious person with that statement. There is no and was no standing over a player, looking down at him , then stomping on his chest that wouldn’t be an ejection. Ever. Not then. Clearly not now and no serious person would say so.

There’s a reason why Pelphrey and Feldhaus were frozen like statues. It’s because if they’d contested the shot it would’ve been a foul contact or no. Lattener shot 10 ft’s.

I think you should voluntarily suspend yourself from the internet for one week for abusing it. Then apologize to all you’ve wronged with this nonsense. Thank you. 😏

 

[Greatestalltime]

It amazes me how people act like refs are beyond reproach. They pull from the same pool of humans as all professions.

So a true story that happened with me 20+ years ago. Don’t care if people believe it or not. I participated a meeting with a gentleman who had a group of investors looking to start a de Novo bank. When I got there the gentleman had one of the investors there as well. Once he introduced himself, I knew the name. He was an NCAA official who had done numerous UK games.

After the business part of the meeting wrapped up the usual getting to know each conversation started. I was astonished that this ref openly bragged that he hated Pitino and UK and enjoyed screwing Pitino. I have no idea why he shared other than he wanted to look more important than he was. But it shows that officials come from the same pool as all people and the ref pool gets their share of assholes as well. FYI I was told the regulators would not approve him to be an investor when his application was submitted.

Of course. They are people with bias and egos like everyone else. I’m also amazed when people think they are beyond sticking it to someone they don’t like. Or a team. Or a fan base.

Most of these guys are frustrated athletes and coaches imo. Some envy and want to show off their authority in front of 1000’s of people.

For everyone confused about ref integrity go watch the Higgins tape when Napier jumped in the air and fell down with zero contact at all. And not even close—5 feet from Higgins. He saw it. Knew everyone saw it, but didn’t care. That’s ego and bias.

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

Guys let’s don’t start this. We didn’t lose because of the ref. crew. And by the way last night Ayers was pretty even on his calls. If you really want to have to analyze the calls I would say the umpires were less consistent . But again to put the loss on the refs makes us look like sore losers.
It was just a poor performance by everyone not named butler and Oweh.

I always like the brand-new posters who routinely take the contrarian view in the most condescending way.

They always checks out as legit.

 

[Catman100]

Stomping a chest is a maybe? It’s hard to think you’re a serious person with that statement. There is no and was no standing over a player, looking down at him , then stomping on his chest that wouldn’t be an ejection. Ever. Not then. Clearly not now and no serious person would say so.

There’s a reason why Pelphrey and Feldhaus were frozen like statues. It’s because if they’d contested the shot it would’ve been a foul contact or no. Lattener shot 10 ft’s.

I think you should voluntarily suspend yourself from the internet for one week for abusing it. Then apologize to all you’ve wronged with this nonsense. Thank you. 😏

Tell me you have never played serious competitive sports without telling me.

So you are saying the refs kept Laettner in the game because of a UK bias or a Pitino bias. I am saying they may have, or may not have missed a call. There was no bias in that game.

And you can watch the Clemson game again and watch Oweh double dribble on that steal where he gets a layup. So does that mean the refs where bias for UK?

You talking a lot of nonsense yourself. Ask the SEC if they think they get a fair whistle in Rupp.
Bad calls happen, especially on the road, but you will never convince me that refs are specifically hurting UK on the regular. Now like I said, I think Cal helped himself to a bad whistle because of how he berates all the officials, but a bad whistle on UK just because they are UK? No, that is some real nonsense right there.

 

[Greatestalltime]

Tell me you have never played serious competitive sports without telling me.

So you are saying the refs kept Laettner in the game because of a UK bias or a Pitino bias. I am saying they may have, or may not have missed a call. There was no bias in that game.

And you can watch the Clemson game again and watch Oweh double dribble on that steal where he gets a layup. So does that mean the refs where bias for UK?

You talking a lot of nonsense yourself. Ask the SEC if they think they get a fair whistle in Rupp.
Bad calls happen, especially on the road, but you will never convince me that refs are specifically hurting UK on the regular. Now like I said, I think Cal helped himself to a bad whistle because of how he berates all the officials, but a bad whistle on UK just because they are UK? No, that is some real nonsense right there.

What I’m saying is that if anyone anywhere stomps a players chest after standing over them they are kicked out of every game. Very silly to say otherwise.

Have you ever seen that happen and the player not be kicked out? Other than punching someone in the face I’m not sure anything else is more obviously a reason to disqualify a player.

Tell me you’ve never played or even watched a highly competitive game before without telling me. 🤡

 

[Catman100]

What I’m saying is that if anyone anywhere stomps a players chest after standing over them they are kicked out of every game. Very silly to say otherwise.

Have you ever seen that happen and the player not be kicked out? Other than punching someone in the face I’m not sure anything else is more obviously a reason to disqualify a player.

Tell me you’ve never played or even watched a highly competitive game before without telling me. 🤡

Conspiracy theory brother.

One of us is correct.
Either he didn't get kicked out of the game because the refs didn't think it was that big a deal. Perhaps they knew they were involved in a special game and didn't want the best player in the country kicked out.

Or he didn't get kicked out of the game because the refs hate UK and Pitino.

I think and wish he would have been ejected, but I refuse to believe he was left in that game because of some anti UK or Pitino bias.

 

[Greatestalltime]

Conspiracy theory brother.

One of us is correct.
Either he didn't get kicked out of the game because the refs didn't think it was that big a deal. Perhaps they knew they were involved in a special game and didn't want the best player in the country kicked out.

Or he didn't get kicked out of the game because the refs hate UK and Pitino.

I think and wish he would have been ejected, but I refuse to believe he was left in that game because of some anti UK or Pitino bias.

Congrats. You had a worse answer than the last one. Possibly worse than your first one.
He didn’t get kicked out of because:
1. He was the top NCAA player in a huge game.
2. And the refs were cownardly and didn’t use better judgement.

Just be quiet please. No other human could make the stupid argument you’re trying to.
If you find one. Show me.

 

[Greatestalltime]

Conspiracy theory brother.

One of us is correct.
Either he didn't get kicked out of the game because the refs didn't think it was that big a deal. Perhaps they knew they were involved in a special game and didn't want the best player in the country kicked out.

Or he didn't get kicked out of the game because the refs hate UK and Pitino.

I think and wish he would have been ejected, but I refuse to believe he was left in that game because of some anti UK or Pitino bias.

Oooo! I found the only moron entitled enough to lie and say he agrees with you.

Christian Laettner still doesn't think he should have been ejected for stomping on a Kentucky player

Before Christian Laettner hit the most famous game-winning shot of the NCAA tournament, he intentionally stepped on Kentucky’s Aminu Timberlake as what he later said was payback for an incide…

ftw.usatoday.com

 

[CRZ4UK]

Tell me you have never played serious competitive sports without telling me.

So you are saying the refs kept Laettner in the game because of a UK bias or a Pitino bias. I am saying they may have, or may not have missed a call. There was no bias in that game.

And you can watch the Clemson game again and watch Oweh double dribble on that steal where he gets a layup. So does that mean the refs where bias for UK?

You talking a lot of nonsense yourself. Ask the SEC if they think they get a fair whistle in Rupp.
Bad calls happen, especially on the road, but you will never convince me that refs are specifically hurting UK on the regular. Now like I said, I think Cal helped himself to a bad whistle because of how he berates all the officials, but a bad whistle on UK just because they are UK? No, that is some real nonsense right there.

Higgins and Ayer’s do not like UK. Other officials have schools they don’t like.
We are not talking about 50-50 calls here.
Higgins and Ayers manufacture calls that are 0-50. No way the guy even touches him.
Those two just don’t like UK.

 

[Catman100]

Congrats. You had a worse answer than the last one. Possibly worse than your first one.
He didn’t get kicked out of because:
1. He was the top NCAA player in a huge game.
2. And the refs were cownardly and didn’t use better judgement.

Just be quiet please. No other human could make the stupid argument you’re trying to.
If you find one. Show me.

My goodness kid, why do you make such a point of calling someone stupid when your own replies aren't well thought of?

So which one of your reasons in 1 and 2 is a bias towards UK and Pitino? Yea he was the top player in the NCAA and yes the refs may or may not have been cowardly and may or may not have used better judgement.
But what part of your reasoning has anything to do with a bias against UK and Pitino? Aren't you admitting they missed a call because Laettner was the top NCAA player and they had bad judgement?

It is possible both of those reasons are why he stayed in the game. Doesn't have anything to do with a bias towards UK and Pitino, which was the only point I was trying to make.

Thank you for making that point for me.

All refs are biased against UK??? Hell the rest of the SEC would laugh in your face if you said that.

 

[CaptainBoogerBuns]

Rafters never disappoints

 

[Greatestalltime]

My goodness kid, why do you make such a point of calling someone stupid when your own replies aren't well thought of?

So which one of your reasons in 1 and 2 is a bias towards UK and Pitino? Yea he was the top player in the NCAA and yes the refs may or may not have been cowardly and may or may not have used better judgement.
But what part of your reasoning has anything to do with a bias against UK and Pitino? Aren't you admitting they missed a call because Laettner was the top NCAA player and they had bad judgement?

It is possible both of those reasons are why he stayed in the game. Doesn't have anything to do with a bias towards UK and Pitino, which was the only point I was trying to make.

Thank you for making that point for me.

All refs are biased against UK??? Hell the rest of the SEC would laugh in your face if you said that.

You’re using the word bias and the word conspiracy. I’m saying they used poor judgment snd no one besides you and Christian see it otherwise. Or show me someone else that agrees with you and I’ll listen to what they have to say.

Also, I said your argument was dumb. Not you. I think you can see that you’re saying weird things. You started attacking me via this board Hotshot. I try not to do that because it’s not productive.

 

[Catman100]

You’re using the word bias and the word conspiracy. I’m saying they used poor judgment snd no one besides you and Christian see it otherwise. Or show me someone else that agrees with you and I’ll listen to what they have to say.

Also, I said your argument was dumb. Not you. I think you can see that you’re saying weird things. You started attacking me via this board Hotshot. I try not to do that because it’s childlike.

Oh wow kid, time to let this one go. When did I say they didn’t use poor judgement?

My first reply in this thread said I do not believe refs have a bias against both UK and Calipari. Maybe one, but not both. And I made sure to point out that if some have a bias, I believe it’s against Calipari because of how he treats them. My only reason for replying was to point out that I do not believe there is some bias against UK on a regular basis. That was my only contribution to this post.

Your reply to me was watch the Duke game and the UNC game, and those games proove there is bias towards UK. Has to be a bias against UK because those games had 2 different UK coaches. You never said anything about poor judgement then.

So which is it? Do we agree there is no bias against UK and just poor judgement, or are you saying since at least 1992, maybe even before that( confirm for me) all refs are bias against UK because of what happened in the Duke game and the UNC game?

And does poor judgement mean they had a bias against UK or Pitino or Calipari? Or does it not?

So just for the record, do we agree there is no bias against UK, or are you saying there is referee bias against UK with 8 national championships, all time wins and 90% win percentage in Rupp?

If you agree there is no bias, just don't reply any more. If you want to continue whatever it is you are trying to say, then I guess we can keep this going further.

FFS

 

[Greatestalltime]

Oh wow kid, time to let this one go. When did I say they didn’t use poor judgement?

My first reply in this thread said I do not believe refs have a bias against both UK and Calipari. Maybe one, but not both. And I made sure to point out that if some have a bias, I believe it’s against Calipari because of how he treats them. My only reason for replying was to point out that I do not believe there is some bias against UK on a regular basis. That was my only contribution to this post.

Your reply to me was watch the Duke game and the UNC game, and those games proove there is bias towards UK. Has to be a bias against UK because those games had 2 different UK coaches. You never said anything about poor judgement then.

So which is it? Do we agree there is no bias against UK and just poor judgement, or are you saying since at least 1992, maybe even before that( confirm for me) all refs are bias against UK because of what happened in the Duke game and the UNC game?

And does poor judgement mean they had a bias against UK or Pitino or Calipari? Or does it not?

So just for the record, do we agree there is no bias against UK, or are you saying there is referee bias against UK with 8 national championships, all time wins and 90% win percentage in Rupp?

If you agree there is no bias, just don't reply any more. If you want to continue whatever it is you are trying to say, then I guess we can keep this going further.

FFS

Ok hotshot. We can go with the term bias. There was bias, crookedness, cowardice, poor judgment, lack of enforcement of the rules. There was all of that in that Duke game. And my evidence is not before or after , that I’m aware of, has a player STOMPED another player IN THE CHEST—very clearly purposefully— and not been exjected from the game. Provide evidence and I’ll check it out for you.

To understand all the possible BIAS that likey led to poor judgment in the UNC game would require something else you brought up earlier and that’s experience playing sports. (woman’s sports are slightly different if you’re a girl) The fact you brought it up means you’re likely a typical key board warrior with no experience. So, you’d not be able to properly judge all the bad calls just like you can’t see a stomp should and never would not be a disqualifying act.

If you can’t see it it’s because of who you are and your experiences. Anyone that really knows the game would, at minimum, realize stomping isn’t allowed. Ever—except once.

The one thing you’re right about other than me originally saying you’d see bias (sorry I forgot that because I’m not as dedicated to this) refs didn’t seem to like Calipari. Good job with that one tiger!

 

[bbncal02]

Rafters never disappoints

Nope. I read a few of those and I’m like “yeah, not my bag. I’m out.”

 

[Catman100]

Ok hotshot. We can go with the term bias. There was bias, crookedness, cowardice, poor judgment, lack of enforcement of the rules. There was all of that in that Duke game. And my evidence is not before or after , that I’m aware of, has a player STOMPED another player IN THE CHEST—very clearly purposefully— and not been exjected from the game. Provide evidence and I’ll check it out for you.

To understand all the possible BIAS that likey led to poor judgment in the UNC game would require something else you brought up earlier and that’s experience playing sports. (woman’s sports are slightly different if you’re a girl) The fact you brought it up means you’re likely a typical key board warrior with no experience. So, you’d not be able to properly judge all the bad calls just like you can’t see a stomp should and never would not be a disqualifying act.

If you can’t see it it’s because of who you are and your experiences. Anyone that really knows the game would, at minimum, realize stomping isn’t allowed. Ever—except once.

The one thing you’re right about other than me originally saying you’d see bias (sorry I forgot that because I’m not as dedicated to this) refs didn’t seem to like Calipari. Good job with that one tiger!

God I was hoping I would wake up this morning and be done with this thread. Been on this site over 20 years and I guess I need some better evaluation skills when deciding to join a thread. Hell I am amazed that claiming there is no bias or conspiracy against UK would be such a controversial take. WOW

So after you say the following in your last reply:
There was bias, crookedness, cowardice, poor judgment, lack of enforcement of the rules. There was all of that in that Duke game.

Do you not understand that you cannot use Bias and Crookedness along with cowardice, poor judgement and a lack of enforcement of the rules. Do you not understand that? Those first two descriptions are entirely different from the last three, and those last 3 have nothing to do with the point I was trying to make. Hell every single basketball game played in the history of this country and it's future might have cowardice, poor judgement, and a lack of enforcement of the rules.

If you throw all of those in together, then only Bias and Crookedness matters. The rest are insignificant. And once again, No, I do not think those referees where bias and crooked towards UK and Pitino.

Now if you remove Bias and Crookedness from your response, then yes, I would agree with you. There was Cowardice, poor judgement, and a lack of enforcement of the rules. But once again, I will never be convinced that the referees had cowardice, poor judgement and decided not to enforce rules simply because they had a bias or were crooked towards UK or Pitino.

You are claiming that those refs did all that because of a bias against UK or Pitino? Correct? That is what you are saying?

So we do not need to continue this back and forth. I think it has been made clear that I do not believe in some National bias conspiracy against UK and it's coaches that goes back at least to 1992. You on the other hand, do believe it.

It's your world bubby. I will let you take the DUB on this one.

 

[Greatestalltime]

God I was hoping I would wake up this morning and be done with this thread. Been on this site over 20 years and I guess I need some better evaluation skills when deciding to join a thread. Hell I am amazed that claiming there is no bias or conspiracy against UK would be such a controversial take. WOW

So after you say the following in your last reply:
There was bias, crookedness, cowardice, poor judgment, lack of enforcement of the rules. There was all of that in that Duke game.

Do you not understand that you cannot use Bias and Crookedness along with cowardice, poor judgement and a lack of enforcement of the rules. Do you not understand that? Those first two descriptions are entirely different from the last three, and those last 3 have nothing to do with the point I was trying to make. Hell every single basketball game played in the history of this country and it's future might have cowardice, poor judgement, and a lack of enforcement of the rules.

If you throw all of those in together, then only Bias and Crookedness matters. The rest are insignificant. And once again, No, I do not think those referees where bias and crooked towards UK and Pitino.

Now if you remove Bias and Crookedness from your response, then yes, I would agree with you. There was Cowardice, poor judgement, and a lack of enforcement of the rules. But once again, I will never be convinced that the referees had cowardice, poor judgement and decided not to enforce rules simply because they had a bias or were crooked towards UK or Pitino.

You are claiming that those refs did all that because of a bias against UK or Pitino? Correct? That is what you are saying?

So we do not need to continue this back and forth. I think it has been made clear that I do not believe in some National bias conspiracy against UK and it's coaches that goes back at least to 1992. You on the other hand, do believe it.

It's your world bubby. I will let you take the DUB on this one.

Thanks !

I admitted I forgot that I said “you’d see” which was response to your post. Which I forgot about.

No. we don’t need to continue. I sincerely apologize for being a rude. I didn’t feel like getting into “a you’re a conspiracy guy” because I believe bias exists in officiating.

Maybe you weren’t going there and like I said. Sorry. I’m going to ask my kid to stomp my chest fornpunishment!!

Go Cats! In about 5 hours.

 

[Greatestalltime]

Btw. I once heard a pro bookey say that bookies adjust the line partly based on Duke’s favorable whistle.

That was with coach Rat so maybe it’s better.

 

[Catman100]

Btw. I once heard a pro bookey say that bookies adjust the line partly based on Duke’s favorable whistle.

That was with coach Rat so maybe it’s better.

Well if I live to be 279 years old you and I will never disagree on Duke’s favorable whistle.
There’s hope after all.