Rick and Roy trying to avoid Bylaw 11.1.2.1

[KMKAT]

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-ba...caa-enforcement-process-head-coach-monitoring

Responsibility is on the head coach to remain compliant and be aware of the program's activities.

This alone should get both coaches with major penalties, and beyond what Boeheim or Larry Brown were charged.

 

[TankedCat]

I agree but should is arbitrary in NCAA decisions.

 

[Smashcat]

Notice Ole Roy not mentioned once, yet it is the most significant scandal in years.

 

[DrH. Lecter]

Notice Ole Roy not mentioned once, yet it is the most significant scandal in years.

Clearly UNC is not the most significant scandal LEGALLY in years. No laws were broken. Ped State is clearly bigger and LilBrothel is bigger with illegal and immoral activity.

 

[Smashcat]

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria 20m20 minutes ago

Asked generally about the Pitino, Boeheim, Larry Brown cases, Coach K tells @ESPNAndyKatz the HC is responsible. pic.twitter.com/dNMMbWUhAt

 

[Uk1111]

I guess that K should be fired since the Lance Thomas and Cory Maggette was ultimately his responsibility!!!!

 

[Aike]

Clearly UNC is not the most significant scandal LEGALLY in years. No laws were broken. Ped State is clearly bigger and LilBrothel is bigger with illegal and immoral activity.

It's highly likely that fraud was committed in the UNC case, as it relates to Pell Grants, etc.

Not to mention the guns and drugs that have seemingly been forgotten.

 

[Chairman Meow]

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria 20m20 minutes ago

Asked generally about the Pitino, Boeheim, Larry Brown cases, Coach K tells @ESPNAndyKatz the HC is responsible. pic.twitter.com/dNMMbWUhAt

God has spoken....

 

[ymmot31]

No laws were broken. .

Not exactly true Doc. Don't forget that players were being funneled to Fats' girlfriend's eligibility shop where they were erroneously labeled as "learning impaired". I believe they were receiving government funds. Also, fraud took place when there were classes on paper only. No instructor, no class, just a grade.

 

[Xception]

Clearly UNC is not the most significant scandal LEGALLY in years. No laws were broken. Ped State is clearly bigger and LilBrothel is bigger with illegal and immoral activity.

Ped St was actually a few rogues and not a decades long scandal involving a huge number of people . Are you saying Ped St was worse because it was kids and a morality thing ? If so , I can see that . But it's not worse if you look at it from ncca bylaws broken , in that aspect UNC is the worst case of the three .

 

[DrH. Lecter]

Ped St was actually a few rogues and not a decades long scandal involving a huge number of people . Are you saying Ped St was worse because it was kids and a morality thing ? If so , I can see that . But it's not worse if you look at it from ncca bylaws broken , in that aspect UNC is the worst case of the three .

Yes. I am looking at the Pedo situation as being worse, morally, and on a human level. I never thought the NCAA should have been involved in that one. For me that was disgusting as a person, and unfortunately allowed to tarnish the University. Now for me....the prostitution thing is (the libertarian in me) a victimless crime. This however is a crime in the NCAA's realm of "legality." Using and paying for prostitutes in order to RECRUIT is what makes this a huge deal. That is the NCAA hook. But lets imagine for a moment that there were no recruits...just team members having a night at the strip clubs...honestly that probably happens all over the land. Who cares? I don't. But lets look at LilBrothel...who created the controlled strip club and paid the bills for the hookers....THAT becomes the problem on two fronts.

1. Those in charge should have known better. A university should not encourage the use of women as a sex toy.
2. Its an illegal recruiting advantage when you add in the recruits as well as an additional benefit for all involved.

I honestly do not know the dirty details of UNC so I could be all wet on its "legal" ramifications. It reflects poorly on UNC...but a sex scandal will always seem worse and make you feel dirty.

 

[Blue Decade]

Not exactly true Doc. Don't forget that players were being funneled to Fats' girlfriend's eligibility shop where they were erroneously labeled as "learning impaired". I believe they were receiving government funds. Also, fraud took place when there were classes on paper only. No instructor, no class, just a grade.

The North Carolina example would be academic fraud, but not fraud in the sense of violating a statute. Pitino and Roy should both lose their jobs. But the 2 cases are different from a legal point of view. If a prosecutor gets involved in the Louisville case, the conspirators are in real trouble above and beyond anything the NCAA finds. Contributing to the delinquency of minors, trafficking in prostitution. Depending on where the money came from, possibly a conspiracy to misuse state funds. Depending on who knew what when, possibly a conspiracy to obstruct an investigation. Remember that President Ramsey sprang to Jurich's defense before any fact finding was initiated. That part could eventually get interesting.

 

[ymmot31]

There were students in the fake classes that weren't on scholarship. If those students paid for the fake classes with government money, then yes, there is a problem. I don't think anyone in the government will pursue anything against UNC, though.

 

[KMKAT]

In cases involving the NCAA, they seem to dole out the most punishment to those who try to hide evidence or lie to them.

So far, Roy and Rick have said nothing against the NCAA, and that keeps them in good graces for now.

But if the NCAA doesn't hold Roy accountable for the years he has been at the helm, and fraud was prevalent on that campus, then punishment to others should never occur.

As for Rick, he thought he had control, Jurich thought Rick had control, and now that this involved recruits and families, there's no choice but to can Rick IMO. He'll try to survive this because the NCAA is so slow in anything they do. It might take 5 years for enforcement to come around and make a ruling.

 

[gage]

How long has that By-law been in effect?

 

[Jkwo]

I guess that K should be fired since the Lance Thomas and Cory Maggette was ultimately his responsibility!!!!

No - those seasons should probably be stripped because they involved ineligible players, but those infractions aren't in the same universe as coaching staff paying prostitutes or 20 years of academic fraud.

 

[jrpross]

I guess that K should be fired since the Lance Thomas and Cory Maggette was ultimately his responsibility!!!!

In K's defense (which I feel dirty even making) if I remember correctly, Coach K came out and said they would go along with whatever the NCAA decides on this matter. The NCAA then proceeded to ignore it.

As much as I root against old ratface, that was the NCAA's horsecrap move more than Duke's.