Remember How Duke/Coach K Had Passed Cal/UK As THE Place

[Untouchables22]

1. Duke likely gets Giles AND Tatum. That locks them into the #1 class.
2. We haven't gotten Bolden, whom you listed. We did get SKJ, who you didn't list?
3. Gabriel will be very nice. But, I hate how fans always say a kid will be better than the other guy who we were much more excited about 2-3 weeks ago.

I'm glad somebody else can see the reality that IF Duke lands Giles to go with Tatum they are going to be #1. They would have Rivals #2, #3, #10, and #41 player's. I think the problem is that we want to try to make the volume argument. So assuming we land Fox, Bolden, and Monk which is admittedly a huge IF. We would have the Rivals #5, #6, #16, #17, #26. That's not enough to surpass having two of the top three players in the nation and 3 of the top ten. It's like what we did the year we landed Cousins and Wall in the same class except this time it's Duke pulling it off. I love the team Cal is putting together but if we're being truly objective if Duke lands Giles we won't have a better class. BTW I'm not saying that either Giles or Tatum are as good players as Cousins and Wall were as high school seniors because I don't think they are. But rather drawing a parallel that if given the choice you want the quality of two elite top three players in a class rather than the quantity of 5 or 6 five star Mcdonald's All Americans.

 

[mj2k10]

I'm glad somebody else can see the reality that IF Duke lands Giles to go with Tatum they are going to be #1. They would have Rivals #2, #3, #10, and #41 player's. I think the problem is that we want to try to make the volume argument. So assuming we land Fox, Bolden, and Monk which is admittedly a huge IF. We would have the Rivals #5, #6, #16, #17, #26. That's not enough to surpass having two of the top three players in the nation and 3 of the top ten. It's like what we did the year we landed Cousins and Wall in the same class except this time it's Duke pulling it off. I love the team Cal is putting together but if we're being truly objective if Duke lands Giles we won't have a better class. BTW I'm not saying that either Giles or Tatum are as good players as Cousins and Wall were as high school seniors because I don't think they are. But rather drawing a parallel that if given the choice you want the quality of two elite top three players in a class rather than the quantity of 5 or 6 five star Mcdonald's All Americans.

Valid argument, except that a lot of people aren't sold on Tatum as the #2 (or 3 if you rate Jackson 1) player in the class. No one is going to argue Giles, but with Tatum, he's certainly a stud, and certainly worthy of top 5 discussion, there are a lot people who aren't UK fans who would take Fox (especially) and Monk ahead of him.

That changes the dynamic.

 

[screwduke]

Uh... I think K has only done that once? So he was named head coach of USA basketball in 2005, and that got him a single class with more than a single OAD in a decade?

I wish people would pay less attention to media-driven narratives that are often spouted by writers who are not particularly close to the particular situation and would start doing a little learning on their own.

 

[Untouchables22]

Valid argument, except that a lot of people aren't sold on Tatum as the #2 (or 3 if you rate Jackson 1) player in the class. No one is going to argue Giles, but with Tatum, he's certainly a stud, and certainly worthy of top 5 discussion, there are a lot people who aren't UK fans who would take Fox (especially) and Monk ahead of him.

That changes the dynamic.

Yeah you're right that would change things a bit if Tatum's ranking dropped. If Fox could rise to #3 then things could shift in our direction. For a couple of reasons SG is the least valued position in recruiting so I think it will have to be Fox even though many think Monk is the best scorer in the class.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Valid argument, except that a lot of people aren't sold on Tatum as the #2 (or 3 if you rate Jackson 1) player in the class.

Who exactly isn't sold on Tatum?

 

[LineSkiCat14]

so, the "cakewalk" wasn't really.......

Where are you going with this? They had a cakewalk to the title game. They get helped with their brackets every year. Feel free to spin that how you'd like lol.

I'm at the point now where I tell my Duke friends "Ready for the easy bracket?", they laugh and shrug it off. But every time, Selection Sunday proves true. Even they can't argue having 4 mid-majors in their region.

How can Duke fans even defend this lately? We're at the point where opposing fans can actually call it. What rebuttal is there when we can 100% nail what the committee does (or doesn't do)?

Sticky this thread if you like, or better yet, Copy my post and save it for 5 months. If I'm wrong come March, feel free to call me out on it lmfao.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Where are you going with this? They had a cakewalk to the title game. They get helped with their brackets every year. Feel free to spin that how you'd like lol.

I'm at the point now where I tell my Duke friends "Ready for the easy bracket?", they laugh and shrug it off. But every time, Selection Sunday proves true. Even they can't argue having 4 mid-majors in their region.

How can Duke fans even defend this lately? We're at the point where opposing fans can actually call it. What rebuttal is there when we can 100% nail what the committee does (or doesn't do)?

Sticky this thread if you like, or better yet, Copy my post and save it for 5 months. If I'm wrong come March, feel free to call me out on it lmfao.

You're right. There is a conspiracy afoot, and the NCAA is determined to let Duke win the title every year. That's the only logical explanation.

 

[BettyHester]

I really think Coach K pulls in a 5 star recruit each year based strictly on his coaching of the Olympic team. It's an advantage albeit not a huge one.

it's a huge advantage, as he places kids he's recruiting on the u18 etc teams, after telling them he can do it for them.

some of you still have the wool pulled over your eyes from when he went on the radio with cawood a million years ago, but kzryzewski is a vindictive egomaniac opportunist and bad for the sport. he went into mercer's locker room to shift the narrative from his coaching malpractice to how "classy" he is, and took team usa to west point (did kzryzewski see active duty in vietnam?) to put the spotlight on himself, as if it is he rather than lebron, durant, et al who is most responsible for the success of the last decade.

kzryrzewski didn't address jabari parker's defense beyond ripping him after the fact to media people like dakich. his response to okafor's even worse effort in this regard was to suddenly take issue, after losing two games and a year after he knew of the allegations, with sulaimon's raping.

cal has too much integrity for that--look at the standard towns was held to. and look at who went #1 overall.

 

[mj2k10]

Who exactly isn't sold on Tatum?

Sold AS THE #2 PLAYER (or 3) IN THE CLASS.

I shout because the answer to your question is pretty much no one, but your question doesn't reflect what I said.

Anyway- Jerry Meyer has him rated 11. Which, BTW, I think is Meyer purposely trying to be controversial just to get a little extra attention. I think Tatum is slightly overrated in general because he has a pretty game, but no way he should be rated below guys like Lonzo Ball, Markelle Fultz, and Frank Jackson.

Behind Fox and Monk? That's a legit question.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

it's a huge advantage, as he places kids he's recruiting on the u18 etc teams, after telling them he can do it for them

Wow. Would love some proof of this totally baseless accusation. Coach K is in charge of the MEN'S team. He doesn't pick these younger squads.

Get some facts.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

You're right. There is a conspiracy afoot, and the NCAA is determined to let Duke win the title every year. That's the only logical explanation.

I'll let you you figure out the reason, glad you acknowledge it's happening though.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

glad you acknowledge it's happening though.

Just going to leave this right here for you: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm

 

[LineSkiCat14]

And I'll leave this for you:

SDSU
Utah
Gonzaga

Then, as if this wasn't enough, only having to play 1 exceptional team of the following: Kentucky, Wisconsin, Arizona, ND.

It is what it is, Duke was gift wrapped another bracket. ANd it will happen again next year. Another handful of mid-majors who look good on paper, and then stacking the exceptional teams on the other side.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

ANd it will happen again next year

Can't wait.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Actually, lets put you and your trollish-ness on the spot right now: You have a chance at $10,000,000 if your team wins the title, which path/bracket do you take? Duke's or Kentucky's? Nothing about either team matters, strictly the path that's in front of them.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Lol I know you can't wait. And that's what makes you a Duke fan. Start prepping another team to bandwagon, you got 5 years left.

 

[Primedfor9]

I know what you mean op. Duke is still going to end up with a great class, but it's probably not going to be the monster it could've been and that's because we took Gabriel and likely Bolden from them. It doesn't seem like they're riding as much momentum as it did awhile ago. Taking Giles and Bolden from them after already landing Gabriel would be so awesome, I doubt that happens but just getting Bolden along with Gabriel would be nice too.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Constantly scolding the officials is like that mom who blames teachers and other parents. That tells me all I need to know about Coach K as a person.

 

[TUL]

hm.

 

[JohnnyGentle]

"scold" is too mild a term. "berate" or "abuse" seems more apt. he spends more time screaming burgundy-faced invective at the refs than he does coaching his team. then he comes out after the game spewing mealy-mouthed platitudes about leadership and experience, as if the outcome of the game is secondary to his civilizing mission

what a fraud. terrible human

 

[TUL]

Hm, several brand new posters posting absolute venom about K. UNC trolls who are mad that their school is the biggest cheat in the history of sports?

 

[JohnnyGentle]

did kzryzewski see combat in vietnam? what does he know about sacrifice? how about when he essentially kicked andre dawkins off the team for being depressed over his sister's death?

going into mercer's locker room was the act of a profound narcissist. it was their moment, not his. taking team usa to west point was about putting the focus on himself, and his leadership in teaching them about the nature of leadership. the simple-minded (you) fall for that stuff.

you sound like a penn state cult member trying to explain away paterno covering up child rape by talking about "thon". which is somewhat appropriate, as kzyrzewski repeatedly defended his fellow coaching hypocrite.

as a person, he really hasn't fallen very fall from the tree of his mentor. the most significant difference is that he isn't nearly as innovative or influential a coach

 

[JohnnyGentle]

how nice of duke fans to police the kentucky board. a selfless act that reminds me of kzryzewski kicking bereaved players to the curb

look at my join date, sherlock. then scram

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Start prepping another team to bandwagon

Bandwagon? My degree says otherwise.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

did kzryzewski see combat in vietnam? what does he know about sacrifice? how about when he essentially kicked andre dawkins off the team for being depressed over his sister's death?

going into mercer's locker room was the act of a profound narcissist. it was their moment, not his. taking team usa to west point was about putting the focus on himself, and his leadership in teaching them about the nature of leadership. the simple-minded (you) fall for that stuff.

you sound like a penn state cult member trying to explain away paterno covering up child rape by talking about "thon". which is somewhat appropriate, as kzyrzewski repeatedly defended his fellow coaching hypocrite.

as a person, he really hasn't fallen very fall from the tree of his mentor. the most significant difference is that he isn't nearly as innovative or influential a coach

You sound like a lunatic.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Spouting about your degree on an online forum? Yeah, sounds legit.

And stop winking at us. It's weird.

 

[Mark Gastineau]

Was good enough for my boss